[PASSED] Liberate Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators

[Keinus]

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Honestly, you are a piece of pure comedy. Playing the definition game is the most hillarious part.

4. Condemnations are badges of dishonor. Look up the definition in the dictionary. The only badge of honor is the Commendation.

Wait let me play this too:

feminism noun
fem·i·nism | \ ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm \
Definition of Feminism
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

3. I've defended many regions on this issue. Communism is abhorrent. I defended them. Feminism is abhorrent.

There you go people! Forestavia finds the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes and the advocating of women's right and interest abhorrent.

I believe Mr. Forestavia is against the Feminazis.

[Forestavia]

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Honestly, you are a piece of pure comedy. Playing the definition game is the most hillarious part.

4. Condemnations are badges of dishonor. Look up the definition in the dictionary. The only badge of honor is the Commendation.

Wait let me play this too:

feminism noun
fem·i·nism | \ ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm \
Definition of Feminism
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

3. I've defended many regions on this issue. Communism is abhorrent. I defended them. Feminism is abhorrent.

There you go people! Forestavia finds the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes and the advocating of women's right and interest abhorrent.

*Sighs*
When my position is taken this far out of context there really isn't much else to do but laugh.
Yes! Comedy is my specialty!
I love how you just created a lovely gotcha moment there with the way you manipulated my words and context. I love it!
Women are lovely and I love women. So... I guess there really isn't anything substantive to debate here.

[Forestavia]

I believe Mr. Forestavia is against the Feminazis.

Yes. Thank you kindly, Keinus!

(But let me add that even though I'm against them, I still stood up for Jadny's region when the Security Council targeted them with a so-called "liberation".)

[Keinus]

I believe Mr. Forestavia is against the Feminazis.

Yes. Thank you kindly, Keinus!

(But let me add that even though I'm against them, I still stood up for Jadny's region when the Security Council targeted them with a so-called "liberation".)

No problem political ally of Tigrexia.

[Kurnugia]

Honestly, you are a piece of pure comedy. Playing the definition game is the most hillarious part.

Wait let me play this too:


There you go people! Forestavia finds the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes and the advocating of women's right and interest abhorrent.

*Sighs*
When my position is taken this far out of context there really isn't much else to do but laugh.
Yes! Comedy is my specialty!
I love how you just created a lovely gotcha moment there with the way you manipulated my words and context. I love it!
Women are lovely and I love women. So... I guess there really isn't anything substantive to debate here.

Nope, there is: Condemnation depends much on context. Here on NS, a condemnation is nothing more than a badge of honour. For playing good baddies

[Forestavia]

*Sighs*
When my position is taken this far out of context there really isn't much else to do but laugh.
Yes! Comedy is my specialty!
I love how you just created a lovely gotcha moment there with the way you manipulated my words and context. I love it!
Women are lovely and I love women. So... I guess there really isn't anything substantive to debate here.

Nope, there is: Condemnation depends much on context. Here on NS, a condemnation is nothing more than a badge of honour. For playing good baddies

Then why don't you do what I do and vote against all condemnations (most of them anyway). This conversation about condemnations doesn't justify using a fake liberation to weaken the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. We are abusing our power as the World Assembly by using the SC to instigate chaos in lands that we have no business getting involved in. Those natives don't want us there! That region is not occupied! Jocospor is active! Why don't we spend our time in this chamber helping regions who actually would like to have a liberation instead of ones who don't??

[Lord Dominator]

Nope, there is: Condemnation depends much on context. Here on NS, a condemnation is nothing more than a badge of honour. For playing good baddies

Then why don't you do what I do and vote against all condemnations (most of them anyway). This conversation about condemnations doesn't justify using a fake liberation to weaken the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. We are abusing our power as the World Assembly by using the SC to instigate chaos in lands that we have no business getting involved in. Those natives don't want us there! That region is not occupied! Jocospor is active! Why don't we spend our time in this chamber helping regions who actually would like to have a liberation instead of ones who don't??

Find us regions who need and want Liberations and then we'll talk about helping them

[Keinus]

Then why don't you do what I do and vote against all condemnations (most of them anyway). This conversation about condemnations doesn't justify using a fake liberation to weaken the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. We are abusing our power as the World Assembly by using the SC to instigate chaos in lands that we have no business getting involved in. Those natives don't want us there! That region is not occupied! Jocospor is active! Why don't we spend our time in this chamber helping regions who actually would like to have a liberation instead of ones who don't??

Find us regions who need and want Liberations and then we'll talk about helping them

Shouldn't the whole SC be searching...?

[Lord Dominator]

Find us regions who need and want Liberations and then we'll talk about helping them

Shouldn't the whole SC be searching...?

Technically, it's more the job of defenders to do that, not the SC at large. Either way, the allegation I was responding to implies that there are regions who need/want a liberation, and I was doing the equivalent of asking for the proof.

[Forestavia]

Then why don't you do what I do and vote against all condemnations (most of them anyway). This conversation about condemnations doesn't justify using a fake liberation to weaken the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators. We are abusing our power as the World Assembly by using the SC to instigate chaos in lands that we have no business getting involved in. Those natives don't want us there! That region is not occupied! Jocospor is active! Why don't we spend our time in this chamber helping regions who actually would like to have a liberation instead of ones who don't??

Find us regions who need and want Liberations and then we'll talk about helping them

I accept your challenge, Lord Dominator. I'll keep an eye out for them. I'll let you know what I find.

[Forestavia]

Find us regions who need and want Liberations and then we'll talk about helping them

Shouldn't the whole SC be searching...?

That would be ideal. But we're too lazy to do that. I'm guilty of being lazy too.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

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Honestly, you are a piece of pure comedy. Playing the definition game is the most hillarious part.

4. Condemnations are badges of dishonor. Look up the definition in the dictionary. The only badge of honor is the Commendation.

Wait let me play this too:

feminism noun
fem·i·nism | \ ˈfe-mə-ˌni-zəm \
Definition of Feminism
1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests

3. I've defended many regions on this issue. Communism is abhorrent. I defended them. Feminism is abhorrent.

There you go people! Forestavia finds the theory of the political, economic and social equality of the sexes and the advocating of women's right and interest abhorrent.

I know because how dare he give an example of himself defending an ideology he disagrees with, and how dare he have an opinion different than your own.

[Keinus]

Shouldn't the whole SC be searching...?

Technically, it's more the job of defenders to do that, not the SC at large.

When you use the word technically and tell someone it is someone else's job, it makes you sound...sassy?

A better way to have worded it would have been
"Actually, that is more what the Defender Regions jobs are, while the SC is notified of this and helps to the best of it's capabilities."

Just a little advice.

[Malphe]

Technically, it's more the job of defenders to do that, not the SC at large.

When you use the word technically and tell someone it is someone else's job, it makes you sound...sassy?

A better way to have worded it would have been
"Actually, that is more what the Defender Regions jobs are, while the SC is notified of this and helps to the best of it's capabilities."

Just a little advice.

O.o
Weirdly specific advice.

[Keinus]

When you use the word technically and tell someone it is someone else's job, it makes you sound...sassy?

A better way to have worded it would have been
"Actually, that is more what the Defender Regions jobs are, while the SC is notified of this and helps to the best of it's capabilities."

Just a little advice.

O.o
Weirdly specific advice.

It's advice to help be informative about the politics and make it seem as though the SC helps the little guy. I doubt you could learn if you weren't given an example.

[Lord Dominator]

Technically, it's more the job of defenders to do that, not the SC at large.

When you use the word technically and tell someone it is someone else's job, it makes you sound...sassy?

A better way to have worded it would have been
"Actually, that is more what the Defender Regions jobs are, while the SC is notified of this and helps to the best of it's capabilities."

Just a little advice.

Except defender regions typically don't propose liberations of regions, defenders do. I'm fine with how I worded it

[North Saitama]

I'm only standing in defence of it because I am a libertarian, and do not believe in these so-called "neoliberations", which I see as authoritarian ideological enforcement. Especially given that their only justification seems to be the purely ideological "Fascism is bad", rather than anything concrete and objective.

As I have expressed enough, I don't even care what you think, just what you do, and the ideological arguments are meaningless to me. When you keep saying "Fascism is bad", even if I agree that Fascism is bad, it is still irrelevant to me. It only matters to me if there is action involved, as actions and/or imminent threats actually affect others, while abstract advocacy amounts to unpleasant words. If they are raiders, then that is one thing, but, merely holding an opinion, that is subjectively disliked?

[Tigrexia]

I'm only standing in defence of it because I am a libertarian, and do not believe in these so-called "neoliberations", which I see as authoritarian ideological enforcement. Especially given that their only justification seems to be the purely ideological "Fascism is bad", rather than anything concrete and objective.

As I have expressed enough, I don't even care what you think, just what you do, and the ideological arguments are meaningless to me. When you keep saying "Fascism is bad", even if I agree that Fascism is bad, it is still irrelevant to me. It only matters to me if there is action involved, as actions and/or imminent threats actually affect others, while abstract advocacy amounts to unpleasant words. If they are raiders, then that is one thing, but, merely holding an opinion, that is subjectively disliked?

We need more people like you and Forestavia in this world.

[Cedoria]

I'm only standing in defence of it because I am a libertarian, and do not believe in these so-called "neoliberations", which I see as authoritarian ideological enforcement. Especially given that their only justification seems to be the purely ideological "Fascism is bad", rather than anything concrete and objective.

As I have expressed enough, I don't even care what you think, just what you do, and the ideological arguments are meaningless to me. When you keep saying "Fascism is bad", even if I agree that Fascism is bad, it is still irrelevant to me. It only matters to me if there is action involved, as actions and/or imminent threats actually affect others, while abstract advocacy amounts to unpleasant words. If they are raiders, then that is one thing, but, merely holding an opinion, that is subjectively disliked?

Fascism being bad is not subjective. Any objective reading of it with any degree of intellectual honesty should conclude that.

It's not 'subjectively disliked', It's objectively hated. For very, very good reason.


Fine, get on your soapbox and defend them, by all means, that's your choice. Funny how the milquetoast moderates only find their voice, and their principles, when it comes to defending the most vile of ideologies, yet I'll bet you wouldn't be leaping to our defence, were the shoe on the other foot.

[Kuriko]

I think we're starting to stray off-topic into NSG territory, and should head back to the topic at hand?

[Cedoria]

I think we're starting to stray off-topic into NSG territory, and should head back to the topic at hand?

Perhaps. Fair point.


To reiterate this as relevant to the Resolution. This region has publicly prided itself on its declarations of Fascist ideology in the past. It made this a focus in its attempt at a self-commendation. The Security Council has twice passed Resolutions very similar to this one for both Kaiserreich and Nazi Europa, establishing a very clear precedent. Despite the complaints of those who felt these resolutions are a slippery slope, no other such Resolution has ever been weaponised against innocent, non-Fascist regions.

There are sound reasons related to both the securing of interregional peace and goodwill, and Security Council precedent to vote in favour of this resolution. Communities, and Founders, come and go, and in future Jocospur will be no different. Once they are gone, the Security Council's wisdom in passing this resolution will enable those whose mission it is to take direct action against the menace of Fascism, as they have done so successfully before. There is no genuine reason to not vote for this resolution, given that all the counter-arguments were also voiced in the case of the two prior resolutions I mentioned above, and despite the nay-sayer, no terrible unforeseen consequence has emerged.

[North Saitama]

I'm only standing in defence of it because I am a libertarian, and do not believe in these so-called "neoliberations", which I see as authoritarian ideological enforcement. Especially given that their only justification seems to be the purely ideological "Fascism is bad", rather than anything concrete and objective.

As I have expressed enough, I don't even care what you think, just what you do, and the ideological arguments are meaningless to me. When you keep saying "Fascism is bad", even if I agree that Fascism is bad, it is still irrelevant to me. It only matters to me if there is action involved, as actions and/or imminent threats actually affect others, while abstract advocacy amounts to unpleasant words. If they are raiders, then that is one thing, but, merely holding an opinion, that is subjectively disliked?

Fascism being bad is not subjective. Any objective reading of it with any degree of intellectual honesty should conclude that.

It's not 'subjectively disliked', It's objectively hated. For very, very good reason.


Fine, get on your soapbox and defend them, by all means, that's your choice. Funny how the milquetoast moderates only find their voice, and their principles, when it comes to defending the most vile of ideologies, yet I'll bet you wouldn't be leaping to our defence, were the shoe on the other foot.

Popular morality is not objectivity. What the majority believes is moral and immoral does not constitute absolute truth. The very presence of Fascists defeats this argument, as, obviously, Fascists have a different view of morality than you, or the majority.

Furthermore, you are also assuming my position in a hypothetical scenario, in an attempt to paint me as a hypocrite and discredit me.

[Jocospor]

I am the only issues moderator.

Like the pope, there can only be one.

Oh, we don't know, you'd make a good anti-pope if you put your mind to it!

[Prydania]

Popular morality is not objectivity. What the majority believes is moral and immoral does not constitute absolute truth. The very presence of Fascists defeats this argument, as, obviously, Fascists have a different view of morality than you, or the majority.

Furthermore, you are also assuming my position in a hypothetical scenario, in an attempt to paint me as a hypocrite and discredit me.

"Just because the majority thinks fascism is wrong doesn't mean it's wrong guys! Also how dare you accuse me of defending fascism!"

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I can't wait for the SC to impose the same level of justice against Stalinists and Kim Jong-Un apologist regions, oh wait that's not going to happen.