[PASSED] Greenhouse Gas Cap and Trade Program

[New Conservative America]

New Conservative America declares it's utmost disagreement with the proposal at hand.

This has nothing to do with Climate Change. This has to do with a World Order telling me what I can do with my factories. And now apparently my ambassadors have to wear itchy wool sweaters. New Conservative America will proudly stand against this proposal.

Please respect my opinion/decision. Thank You.

Ambassador, I would reconsider. These jumpers are made from the wool of the perpendicular mountain goat which uses its fleece to attach itself like velcro to the roofs of caves. It is the itchiest material known to man, and is by all accounts bullet proof... though according to one unfortunate test subject you might be better off with the bullets.

"It's good to trust others...but to not do so is much better."

I will refuse to abide by this. My ambassadors will not have to suffer because of something that is out of their control. Our sovereign decision is our right to make. Globalism will not take it's control of this republic.

[Caracasus]

Ambassador, I would reconsider. These jumpers are made from the wool of the perpendicular mountain goat which uses its fleece to attach itself like velcro to the roofs of caves. It is the itchiest material known to man, and is by all accounts bullet proof... though according to one unfortunate test subject you might be better off with the bullets.

"It's good to trust others...but to not do so is much better."

I will refuse to abide by this. My ambassadors will not have to suffer because of something that is out of their control. Our sovereign decision is our right to make. Globalism will not take it's control of this republic.

Ambassador, I have two questions. Firstly, if your nation is so opposed to international co operation, why are you in the WA? Secondly, which of the knitting patterns would you like for your itchy sweater? I believe that the one with bunny rabbits frolicking down a rainbow is very popular.

[Caracasus]

So far this proposal looks good, though I am unsure how it made it to vote before an initial report was released, and metrics on carbon emission over population relates to an accepted upon ratio were provided. The terminology of this proposal is very general, and the amount of credits, as well as -what- determines your credits, is missing in order for my nation, and therefore my region, to give full support.

We would request a release of these numbers, to ensure that growing nations are not punished, and the ensuing policies of these organizations can't be manipulated for political, economic, or military gain.

Furthermore, the proceeds of fines and tariffs should not go to funding these regulatory organizations. The tariffs should be used by said imposing nation to further decrease their carbon footprint in order to "make up for" the nations who it is imposed upon. The fines of the offending nations should go to a humanitarian aid fund. As well, what provisions are in place if a nation simply refuses to pay said fine? Is their seat at the table, so to speak, at risk? Will there be further fines? What about tariffs? What happens if a nation refuses to impose said tariffs on a nation, for any reason?

The concept of this proposal is excellent, the execution leave mush to be desired.

Ambassador, I am certain that these records are available on request somewhere or another, Ransium was rather restricted by the word count here and such details do not need adding to what is a proposal above everything else.

The author here has painted in broad strokes as the WA is home to many very diverse nations with a huge range of economic models and governments. To be overly specific would add a level of micromanagement that would make this resolution innefective.

Proposals, out of sheer neccessity must paint in broad strokes. It is up to the WA gnomes and individual nations to work out the finer details.

[Ransium]

Indeed, my lack of specificity was not oversight but a necessity. As I’ve made clear elsewhere, I’m not a big fan of the recent trend of highly specific WA environmental legislation which I think greatly reduce the flexibility of nation’s ability to address the problems they are designed to protect.

[Hamstan]

Ambassador Hamer steps up

"Hamstan supports this resolution. Let us hope that this will change the worlds climate for the better"

The ambassador then gets in his 8-seat souped up low mpg Hummer by himself and drives to his hotel room only 2 blocks away in a cloud of smoke.

[United Stafford]

This proposal cannot be allowed to pass. I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation. I should be allowed to use any type of fuel I want without the intervention of other countries. I would be okay with providing incentives for this kind of thing but I will not be told how to run my country. It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime? These are problems of each individual nation, if the majority of other nations want to limit their green house emissions then that is fine but do not pressure us to immediately follow. If this proposal goes through I will personally be leaving the WA.

[Lord Dominator]

How we deal with crime?

Funny, we've already done that

[Caracasus]

This proposal cannot be allowed to pass. I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation. I should be allowed to use any type of fuel I want without the intervention of other countries. I would be okay with providing incentives for this kind of thing but I will not be told how to run my country. It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime? These are problems of each individual nation, if the majority of other nations want to limit their green house emissions then that is fine but do not pressure us to immediately follow. If this proposal goes through I will personally be leaving the WA.

There are often proposals where it is a very tough call as to whether it is an international issue and secondly if it is a concern worth legislating for.

This issue is absolutely not a concern on either of these points at all.

Climate change is by definition international. Greenhouse gasses don't carry passports, they affect everyone.

Climate change (with the possible exception of global nuclear war) is the biggest foreseeable threat to the continuation of our societies and ways of life. It is, by the overwhealming consensus of all but 3% of experts in a very large field, at least in part due to human activity.

This resolution absolutely must pass, and it is absolutely baffling why it is not on the books already.

[Ransium]

This proposal cannot be allowed to pass. I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation. I should be allowed to use any type of fuel I want without the intervention of other countries. I would be okay with providing incentives for this kind of thing but I will not be told how to run my country. It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime? These are problems of each individual nation, if the majority of other nations want to limit their green house emissions then that is fine but do not pressure us to immediately follow. If this proposal goes through I will personally be leaving the WA.

I’m shocked and appalled that it took more than 12 hours of being at vote for a threat to leave the WA to be whipped out. I’m pretty sure it took less time for “Trade of Endangered Organisms” to get those threats.

Don’t forget though you’ll still be subject to WA tariffs

[Arasi Luvasa]

This proposal cannot be allowed to pass. I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation. I should be allowed to use any type of fuel I want without the intervention of other countries. I would be okay with providing incentives for this kind of thing but I will not be told how to run my country. It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime? These are problems of each individual nation, if the majority of other nations want to limit their green house emissions then that is fine but do not pressure us to immediately follow. If this proposal goes through I will personally be leaving the WA.

The archbishop face-palms while sighing. "I would order the sweater for you myself." She says.

[Auralia]

Though this delegation absolutely does not deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change, we believe that the predicted rate of warming and its harmful effects, particularly in the short term, have been somewhat exaggerated.

We maintain that a combination of (a) market pressure from declining reserves of fossil fuels, (b) standard pollution controls, and (c) public and private funding of research into commercially viable renewable energy sources should together be sufficient to prevent significant environmental damage in the medium to long term. We fear that measures such as the cap-and-trade system instituted by this proposal will substantially harm short term economic development, particularly in developing countries with limited access to "green" energy.

We are also disappointed by the inclusion of clause 2, which we had assumed would be removed prior to submission.

Accordingly, we cannot support this proposal.

Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly

[Auralia]

Climate change (with the possible exception of global nuclear war) is the biggest foreseeable threat to the continuation of our societies and ways of life.

No, it really isn't.

[Seldon and the Psychohistorians]

Pardon the dumb, out of game question, but isn't the 1.c. section of the proposal invalid ("1. c. Establish preferred emissions levels for non-World Assembly nations also proportional to factors listed in b;")? I was under the impression that if you joined the WA, your nation complied with all the Resolutions which pass as law; however, if you were not in the WA then those Resolutions didn't apply to you, and you could encounter issues with contradictory to WA decision outcomes. I'm a little confused about how the WA can make something apply to non-members.

Am I overthinking it, or misunderstanding it? Thank you in advance for the clarification

[Lord Dominator]

Pardon the dumb, out of game question, but isn't the 1.c. section of the proposal invalid ("1. c. Establish preferred emissions levels for non-World Assembly nations also proportional to factors listed in b;")? I was under the impression that if you joined the WA, your nation complied with all the Resolutions which pass as law; however, if you were not in the WA then those Resolutions didn't apply to you, and you could encounter issues with contradictory to WA decision outcomes. I'm a little confused about how the WA can make something apply to non-members.

Am I overthinking it, or misunderstanding it? Thank you in advance for the clarification

The basic wording is done as such so that the Committee makes suggestions for non-member nations, but can't actually enforce them (as opposed to being able too on members)

[Caracasus]

Climate change (with the possible exception of global nuclear war) is the biggest foreseeable threat to the continuation of our societies and ways of life.

No, it really isn't.

I honestly don't think I have read something that has used so many words to say so very little in quite some time.

[Garudarajya]

I have been waiting for a strong proposal to combat the global warming effects of greenhouse gas and this proposal seems like one step forward in this direction . I can't believe that there are non-believers about the effects when the climate change is evident to a large scale across the globe at massive levels. Humanity must be held answerable to the destruction it has unleashed on earth and this is a good start in that direction. However, we also need a well-defined structure of tariffs and fines when a nation or region exceeds the credits it has in order to prevent ambiguity . Otherwise, it will just become another toothless proposal.

[Bears Armed]

Pardon the dumb, out of game question, but isn't the 1.c. section of the proposal invalid ("1. c. Establish preferred emissions levels for non-World Assembly nations also proportional to factors listed in b;")? I was under the impression that if you joined the WA, your nation complied with all the Resolutions which pass as law; however, if you were not in the WA then those Resolutions didn't apply to you, and you could encounter issues with contradictory to WA decision outcomes. I'm a little confused about how the WA can make something apply to non-members.

Am I overthinking it, or misunderstanding it? Thank you in advance for the clarification

The basic wording is done as such so that the Committee makes suggestions for non-member nations, but can't actually enforce them (as opposed to being able too on members)

OOC
Technically the WA can't even suggest anything to non-members (except as a condition that would apply if they chose voluntarily to cooperate with a WA programme): The only thing that these 'preferred levels' would do, however, is tell everybody -- members and non-members alike -- what those non-members must do to specified action by members. That's legal.

I have been waiting for a strong proposal to combat the global warming effects of greenhouse gas and this proposal seems like one step forward in this direction . I can't believe that there are non-believers about the effects when the climate change is evident to a large scale across the globe at massive levels.

Some nations are on different globes... or not even on "globes" at all...

[Justosia]

"The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY opposes this effort by the World Assembly to infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. SHAME. SHAME on all who voted for as well. This right is vested in the Divine Right of our righteous King Carlos Francisco II. No one else. Especially no foreign body!"

-Marco Sareyes
Ambassador

[Wallenburg]

I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation.

What exactly do you think the WA's business is, then?

I will not be told how to run my country.

Yes you will.

It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime?

Actually we've already done that. Multiple times.

[Caracasus]

"The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY opposes this effort by the World Assembly to infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. SHAME. SHAME on all who voted for as well. This right is vested in the Divine Right of our righteous King Carlos Francisco II. No one else. Especially no foreign body!"

-Marco Sareyes
Ambassador

So ambassador, why are you in the WA and what pattern would you like on your sweater?

[Justosia]

"The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY opposes this effort by the World Assembly to infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. SHAME. SHAME on all who voted for as well. This right is vested in the Divine Right of our righteous King Carlos Francisco II. No one else. Especially no foreign body!"

-Marco Sareyes
Ambassador

So ambassador, why are you in the WA and what pattern would you like on your sweater?

"My good man I am here to represent my sovereign King and country. Here I am his voice. This is his will. Ergo be it the will of our people.

We don't wear sweaters. We wear suits and we wear them well."

[New Conservative America]

Though this delegation absolutely does not deny the reality of anthropogenic climate change, we believe that the predicted rate of warming and its harmful effects, particularly in the short term, have been somewhat exaggerated.

We maintain that a combination of (a) market pressure from declining reserves of fossil fuels, (b) standard pollution controls, and (c) public and private funding of research into commercially viable renewable energy sources should together be sufficient to prevent significant environmental damage in the medium to long term. We fear that measures such as the cap-and-trade system instituted by this proposal will substantially harm short term economic development, particularly in developing countries with limited access to "green" energy.

We are also disappointed by the inclusion of clause 2, which we had assumed would be removed prior to submission.

Accordingly, we cannot support this proposal.

Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly

This proposal cannot be allowed to pass. I do not believe that the World Assembly (WA) has any business telling me how to run my nation. I should be allowed to use any type of fuel I want without the intervention of other countries. I would be okay with providing incentives for this kind of thing but I will not be told how to run my country. It might only be a cap on green house emissions now but what would be next? How we deal with crime? These are problems of each individual nation, if the majority of other nations want to limit their green house emissions then that is fine but do not pressure us to immediately follow. If this proposal goes through I will personally be leaving the WA.

"The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY opposes this effort by the World Assembly to infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. SHAME. SHAME on all who voted for as well. This right is vested in the Divine Right of our righteous King Carlos Francisco II. No one else. Especially no foreign body!"

-Marco Sareyes
Ambassador

Well done folks. Our Republic stands with you...

[Justosia]

His Excellency Ambassador Sareyes nods to the American Ambassador respectfully.

[Ransium]

"The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY opposes this effort by the World Assembly to infringe on the sovereignty of individual nations. SHAME. SHAME on all who voted for as well. This right is vested in the Divine Right of our righteous King Carlos Francisco II. No one else. Especially no foreign body!"

-Marco Sareyes
Ambassador

Ambassador Rhizo takes the floor.

"Why is everyone trying to shame me? I'm not trying to shame those who are against, I've treated the opposition with nothing but respe..." Rhizo's assistant interrupts and whispers in his ear.

"What we left the sweater thing in? I told you to cut that sophomoric nonsense drafts ago."

"Uh... very well carry on."

[Justosia]

Ambassador Sareyes remains seated. Stoicly so.