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Postby Old Hope » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:22 am

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Under our current laws, the family of prisoners who are imprisoned for life receive nothing from the government

This is either false, or non-compliant. In some situations you are forced to give their family something - under existing WA law.
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Postby Joushiki Nante Iranai » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:29 am

Tel Maresh wrote:I voted "for" the resolution to ban capital punishment. I saw that as a straight up human rights issue. Capital punishment is inhumane, no matter how it is carried out.

However, I have voted "against" this new resolution. Whereas the former resolution banned only a form of punishment, this new resolution dictates how sovereign nations pursue justice, and will likely force some to change their entire justice practices.

It oversteps in every way. Vote against.


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Postby Herzegovenia » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:04 am

Tel Maresh wrote:I voted "for" the resolution to ban capital punishment. I saw that as a straight up human rights issue. Capital punishment is inhumane, no matter how it is carried out.

However, I have voted "against" this new resolution. Whereas the former resolution banned only a form of punishment, this new resolution dictates how sovereign nations pursue justice, and will likely force some to change their entire justice practices.

It oversteps in every way. Vote against.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:39 am

Agarntrop's voting against this because of the clause in article 2 that basically bans over one execution per year over the entire world.
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Postby Wyrmaeus » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:13 am

Old Hope wrote:
Wyrmaeus wrote: Under our current laws, the family of prisoners who are imprisoned for life receive nothing from the government

This is either false, or non-compliant. In some situations you are forced to give their family something - under existing WA law.


Wyrmaeus is, of course, compliant with WA law. We meant in circumstances other than required by the WA.

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Postby Inberdia » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:47 am

Agarntrop wrote:Agarntrop's voting against this because of the clause in article 2 that basically bans over one execution per year over the entire world.

One execution per million people per year is not one execution per year over the entire world. A nation your size would be able to perform a little over 600 executions a year under this resolution.

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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:57 am

Inberdia wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:Agarntrop's voting against this because of the clause in article 2 that basically bans over one execution per year over the entire world.

One execution per million people per year is not one execution per year over the entire world. A nation your size would be able to perform a little over 600 executions a year under this resolution.

OOC: I should've paid more attention.
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Postby Xanthal » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:27 am

OOC: "I should've paid more attention" could be the unofficial motto of the General Assembly.
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Postby Agarntrop » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:50 am

Xanthal wrote:OOC: "I should've paid more attention" could be the unofficial motto of the General Assembly.

OOC: lol
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Postby Inberdia » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:38 pm

Anyway, it looks like this is gonna pass by a slim margin.

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Postby Musselshell » Sun Sep 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Are the one-per-million "capital case credits" transferrable? Either between nations or over annums?

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Sun Sep 16, 2018 6:41 pm

Musselshell wrote:Are the one-per-million "capital case credits" transferrable? Either between nations or over annums?


Most likely not. Also just a reminder that a case does not necessarily mean one individual. A case can try twelve individuals and that would still only be one case.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:57 pm

Musselshell wrote:Are the one-per-million "capital case credits" transferrable? Either between nations or over annums?

It would be unfortunate but if you have low crime rates and well to do economy this should not be an issue

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Postby West Phoenicia » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:06 pm

Inberdia wrote:Anyway, it looks like this is gonna pass by a slim margin.


Unfortunately it does look as this resolution will pass. It would have failed if not for a super delegate ambassador who has voted Yes. While a number of those who endorsed him voted no.

There really needs to be some sort of cap. One individual having the ability to control 1100+ votes is ludicrous.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:18 pm

West Phoenicia wrote:
Inberdia wrote:Anyway, it looks like this is gonna pass by a slim margin.


Unfortunately it does look as this resolution will pass. It would have failed if not for a super delegate ambassador who has voted Yes. While a number of those who endorsed him voted no.

There really needs to be some sort of cap. One individual having the ability to control 1100+ votes is ludicrous.

With great power comes the ability to decide votes

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Preventing the Execution of Innocents

Postby Fenrisulfland » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:26 pm

This resolution is interfering in the sovereignty of all the nations that are in the WA. If this is passed, then what will stop them from getting increasingly bold and imposing more restrictions on how we can run our countries? On top of that, this resolution has multiple clauses that don't make any sense, such as the one that says how many criminals you can execute is determined by your population size.

Overall, this is a pretty bad resolution.

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Postby Xanthal » Sun Sep 16, 2018 8:27 pm

Musselshell wrote:Are the one-per-million "capital case credits" transferrable? Either between nations or over annums?

"[A]ny national jurisdiction shall submit no more than than one capital case per million inhabitants per year." I don't believe a reasonable reading of the text would allow this, no. You are, of course, invited to try your luck with the Compliance Commission, but I'd prepare for a smackdown if I were you.

Arasi Luvasa wrote:...a case does not necessarily mean one individual.

This is a fair interpretation; it's well-established precedent that a single case can have multiple defendants. I would point out, however, that the more individuals who are joined to a single case, the less likely that the Capital Cases Division will find the conditions in Section 4 to be satisfied for all of them. If it then exercises its right to remand or dismiss the case, you would be obliged to re-try or release all of the defendants.
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Postby Neo Centrosia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:16 am

West Phoenicia wrote:
Inberdia wrote:Anyway, it looks like this is gonna pass by a slim margin.


Unfortunately it does look as this resolution will pass. It would have failed if not for a super delegate ambassador who has voted Yes. While a number of those who endorsed him voted no.

There really needs to be some sort of cap. One individual having the ability to control 1100+ votes is ludicrous.


They need to set it up so that, if you endorse someone, they vote on your behalf, rather than it duplicating your vote for them to use.

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Postby Norway and Iceland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:18 am

Neo Centrosia wrote:
West Phoenicia wrote:
Unfortunately it does look as this resolution will pass. It would have failed if not for a super delegate ambassador who has voted Yes. While a number of those who endorsed him voted no.

There really needs to be some sort of cap. One individual having the ability to control 1100+ votes is ludicrous.


They need to set it up so that, if you endorse someone, they vote on your behalf, rather than it duplicating your vote for them to use.

If that were the case, this would definitely pass.
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Postby Syrixia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:19 am

Well shit, it looks like this is gonna pass. :/
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Postby West Phoenicia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:26 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:
West Phoenicia wrote:
Unfortunately it does look as this resolution will pass. It would have failed if not for a super delegate ambassador who has voted Yes. While a number of those who endorsed him voted no.

There really needs to be some sort of cap. One individual having the ability to control 1100+ votes is ludicrous.

With great power comes the ability to decide votes


And for nations to be founded and immediately align with the super delegate. Also this is not sour grapes. I would be voicing the same issue if the shoe was on the other foot.

Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:56 am

West Phoenicia wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:With great power comes the ability to decide votes


And for nations to be founded and immediately align with the super delegate. Also this is not sour grapes. I would be voicing the same issue if the shoe was on the other foot.

Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.


The same rules should be applied to ordinary delegates. So are you saying that individual nations should be cut off from voting? most nations in a region (who are WA members) do seem to endorse their delegate. Also, this would cut out any incentive for a nation to support their delegate and at the same time be involved in the WA (as they have very little, practically nothing, they could do to affect policy).
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Postby Ziotah and Riverside » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:21 am

Ziotah and Riverside fully supports this measure, and we encourage other members of the General Assembly to vote yes.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:37 am

West Phoenicia wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:With great power comes the ability to decide votes


And for nations to be founded and immediately align with the super delegate. Also this is not sour grapes. I would be voicing the same issue if the shoe was on the other foot.

Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.

They r more than welcome to not endorse the delegate if they want. It decrease their WA vote power when the delegate votes against the majority but the issue is awareness of WA membersand the multiple functions a delegate serves like leading a region

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Postby Jebslund » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:43 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:
West Phoenicia wrote:
And for nations to be founded and immediately align with the super delegate. Also this is not sour grapes. I would be voicing the same issue if the shoe was on the other foot.

Nations need to realise when you endorse you are allowing that super delegate to place their vote where they choose. Even though a number who endorsed this super delegate voted against the proposal when they were an individual. If you're going to let your super delegate vote than that should be it.

They r more than welcome to not endorse the delegate if they want. It decrease their WA vote power when the delegate votes against the majority but the issue is awareness of WA membersand the multiple functions a delegate serves like leading a region

[OOC: Except that some regions require all members to endorse the delegate.]
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