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Southen Mark
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Postby Southen Mark » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:38 am

''The Imperium of Southen Mark is absolutely against this paphetic legislation. Yet again,this is against our sovereignty. Nations should decide what to do with their citizens and their punishment system,not some high up biggot in the World Assembly. Even if this legislation passes,we will outright deny it and we will continue running our nation our way,not the way of some legislation. '' -Imperator Georgi Ivan Bakalov III
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The Sect Meces
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Postby The Sect Meces » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:53 am

Ambassador Leman rolls their eyes.

"Welp looks like it's going to be a repeat of the OTHER proposal."
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Hogwarts Pride
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Postby Hogwarts Pride » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:54 am

The Minister clears his throat

All they did was create a watered down version of a capital punishment ban while trying to severely restrict execution for violent crimes, they are attempting to at least get part of their ban in place and completely ban execution for everything else. This is a blatant attack on national sovereignty, and even if this passed, my nation WILL NOT obey it, no matter what their compliance lackeys say.

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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 14, 2018 4:59 am

The Sect Meces wrote:Ambassador Leman rolls their eyes.

"Welp looks like it's going to be a repeat of the OTHER proposal."

"I believe the popcorn stand is in the back left corner. It is, regrettably, BYOB." Bell says, walking past with two stacked cases of beer in his arms.

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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:04 am

Most nations here seem to agree that this is a disastrous proposal, written hastily to try and erase the failings of Ban on Capital Punishment. We couldn't agree more.

And where are the ambassadors from Imperium Anglorum to prove to us otherwise? Why do they lurk in the shadows rather than offering us insight into their proposal? Or, perhaps, they are holding their quiet conversations with the elite of the World Assembly, securing the votes of those all important delegates, some of whom are yet to place their votes... *the Delegate's Office shudders in anticipation*
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:07 am

Jocospor wrote:Most nations here seem to agree that this is a disastrous proposal, written hastily to try and erase the failings of Ban on Capital Punishment. We couldn't agree more.

And where are the ambassadors from Imperium Anglorum to prove to us otherwise? Why do they lurk in the shadows rather than offering us insight into their proposal? Or, perhaps, they are holding their quiet conversations with the elite of the World Assembly, securing the votes of those all important delegates, some of whom are yet to place their votes... *the Delegate's Office shudders in anticipation*

Bell hands the Jocosporian ambassador a cold beer from one of his cases.

"I think you need a cold shower after that creepy shudder, but all I have is a cold beer. Pour it on your crotch or something. That was weird. Yegh."

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Southen Mark
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Postby Southen Mark » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:08 am

Jocospor wrote:Most nations here seem to agree that this is a disastrous proposal, written hastily to try and erase the failings of Ban on Capital Punishment. We couldn't agree more.

And where are the ambassadors from Imperium Anglorum to prove to us otherwise? Why do they lurk in the shadows rather than offering us insight into their proposal? Or, perhaps, they are holding their quiet conversations with the elite of the World Assembly, securing the votes of those all important delegates, some of whom are yet to place their votes... *the Delegate's Office shudders in anticipation*


''Shouldn't there be a legislation against this kind of paphetic legislations made by Anglorum and his comrades? Else he could do this every time this gets repealed or worse later on.'' Imperator Georgi Ivan Bakalov III
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:08 am

The delegate from Tarsonis after waking up in a jail cell for the 6th consecutive night, had finally decided he was going to give up drinking that morning. He had started this day with a new hopeful outlook on life, but entering the chambers and seeing the proposal before him, he rolled his eyes and cracked his flask.

"Well this is just utterly ridiculous. The GA, in a rather uncharacteristic defense of national sovereignty, voted down a resolution that would merely prevent them from executing people. Instead now, the esteemed members from the legislation mill, honestly believe that this same GA will pass a bill that establishes a thousand hoops for nations to jump through in order to allow execution?...My Lord in heaven." He says, exasperatedly taking his seat, putting his feet up on the desk and sipping from his flask. Pulling out a phone, he sends a quick text message, and in a few short moments dozens of Tarsonian aids with boxes of liquor and kegs of ale begin setting up bars in the back of the chambers. " Don't worry folks, this session is no longer BYOB, the Kingdom of Tarsonis is catering."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:10 am

Southen Mark wrote:
Jocospor wrote:Most nations here seem to agree that this is a disastrous proposal, written hastily to try and erase the failings of Ban on Capital Punishment. We couldn't agree more.

And where are the ambassadors from Imperium Anglorum to prove to us otherwise? Why do they lurk in the shadows rather than offering us insight into their proposal? Or, perhaps, they are holding their quiet conversations with the elite of the World Assembly, securing the votes of those all important delegates, some of whom are yet to place their votes... *the Delegate's Office shudders in anticipation*


''Shouldn't there be a legislation against this kind of paphetic legislations made by Anglorum and his comrades? Else he could do this every time this gets repealed or worse later on.'' Imperator Georgi Ivan Bakalov III

"Ambassador, you're welcome to draft a blocker, but know that there are additional rules regulating blocker legislation."

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Leifar
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Postby Leifar » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:15 am

The majority of the Representatives sigh as they gather once more, this time, for the voting of a resolution. This time, for a resolution a lot like the last.

The Commons Delegate facepalms as he reviews the proposal.

"Are we all in agreement that this is just Capital Punishment Ban? Because we aren't all that accurate. How are we supposed to know Criminal Masterminds to those innocents arrested? We AREN'T. If this does get approval, we will easily make a repeal."

The votes are accounted for. 90-0 - Outright denial.
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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:17 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Southen Mark wrote:
''Shouldn't there be a legislation against this kind of paphetic legislations made by Anglorum and his comrades? Else he could do this every time this gets repealed or worse later on.'' Imperator Georgi Ivan Bakalov III

"Ambassador, you're welcome to draft a blocker, but know that there are additional rules regulating blocker legislation."

Or better still, move to condemn Imperium Anglorum so that he gets the idea...? *the Delegate's Office beams* Just a teeny wittle suggestion.

And please. At least we've crotches to pour anything on. Confine your toilet humour to your national colleagues, if you'd be so kind. Our thanks in advance.
HAIL THE CONFEDERATION!
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:19 am

Jocospor wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, you're welcome to draft a blocker, but know that there are additional rules regulating blocker legislation."

Or better still, move to condemn Imperium Anglorum so that he gets the idea...? *the Delegate's Office beams* Just a teeny wittle suggestion.

And please. At least we've crotches to pour anything on. Confine your toilet humour to your national colleagues, if you'd be so kind. Our thanks in advance.

Bell shrugs. "Hey, just trying to improve the ambiance by cutting down on...well, whatever the hell that was."

He sets the beer down on the Jocosporan desk and wanders off to his own to watch the show.
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Revlona
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Postby Revlona » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:19 am

The Revlonan Ambassador, after voting NO to the proposal, shows up with several strong beers and prepares to weather yet another capital punishment vote.

*chug chug chug*
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New Jibby
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Postby New Jibby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:31 am

Ambassador Jimbo stands up "The republic of new jibby would like to say that this proposal is somehow worse then the original. Only allowing 1 execution a year. Huh What if its 2 people? We just throw them in jail for a year and kill them. I cant believe this. Why are you people not letting down. Why should our nation be here, if were just to suffer, but we will wait and see what happens."
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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:35 am

New Jibby wrote:Ambassador Jimbo stands up "The republic of new jibby would like to say that this proposal is somehow worse then the original. Only allowing 1 execution a year. Huh What if its 2 people? We just throw them in jail for a year and kill them. I cant believe this. Why are you people not letting down. Why should our nation be here, if were just to suffer, but we will wait and see what happens."

Precisely, my friend. Precisely.
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Uan aa Boa
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Postby Uan aa Boa » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:46 am

I cannot tell you how much it pains me to be arguing alongside the Confederation of Fascist Attention Seekers, but it cannot be denied. I keep telling myself that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

If two people are convicted of similar crimes in similar circumstances, and assessed to be equally culpable, it is unacceptable for them to be treated differently because in one case the nation has exceeded its quota of capital sentences and in the other it has not. This contradicts the basic principles of justice.

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Evil Dictators Happyland
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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:47 am

Shall we make a resolution that bans repeatedly proposing very similar bills to the WA?

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New Jibby
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Postby New Jibby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:52 am

Yes
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Shall we make a resolution that bans repeatedly proposing very similar bills to the WA?


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Acnor
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Postby Acnor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:03 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Shall we make a resolution that bans repeatedly proposing very similar bills to the WA?

No no.. How about a resolution to condemn whoever writes this baloney? That's sure to pass at this rate.

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Union of the North
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Postby Union of the North » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:07 am

Nova Trieste wrote:"Greetings gentlemen, I am ambassador Günther Kreidl, here to represent the Armed Republic of Nova Triest in this debate. Now, I've looked at this new proposal and..."
*phone rings*
"Oh, excuse me for one second"
"Yes Lord General? Yes, I'm at the Assembly right now. Yes, 3 days before the vote ends, more than enough to complete your... "work" at the maximum security prisons. Sure, that's the first thing I'll ask. Yes absolutely. Yes, thank you Lord General, I'll do my best. *click*

"All right, where was I? Oh yes, I would like to clarify an issue with the proposal that raised more than a few questions at our senate. You see, we're a newborn country with a relatively small population, and we're just ended a war with independence against city-states which employed PMCs. The remnants of these private armies are infesting our territory, plaguing our country with banditry, organized crime, terrorism and so on. The question is, how are we supposed to... dispose of all the scum we catch if we can't execute more than 10 convicts a year?"


Well in war, you can kill enemy combatants. That's not really an issue.
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New Jibby
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Postby New Jibby » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:09 am

" You know hes right so POW's are exempt? I mean this dosent apply to our nation but it is a good point." Jimbo rubs his chin
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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:13 am

Uan aa Boa wrote:I cannot tell you how much it pains me to be arguing alongside the Confederation of Fascist Attention Seekers, but it cannot be denied. I keep telling myself that a stopped clock is right twice a day.

If two people are convicted of similar crimes in similar circumstances, and assessed to be equally culpable, it is unacceptable for them to be treated differently because in one case the nation has exceeded its quota of capital sentences and in the other it has not. This contradicts the basic principles of justice.

Nawww! *lips wobble throughout the Delegate's Office* In all seriousness, though, it is important that our nations concentrate on the issues at hand, not our political ideologies or doctrines. We are doing that, and that's a positive for international relations.
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Postby Grater Tovakia » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:33 am

If I drafted a condemnation, and then a proposal blocking repeat proposals right after the condemnation passed, that would be rather clever.
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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:36 am

Grater Tovakia wrote:If I drafted a condemnation, and then a proposal blocking repeat proposals right after the condemnation passed, that would be rather clever.

Indeed. That would be...interesting...
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Leifar
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The Rift General Assembly's Response to P.E.I.

Postby Leifar » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:49 am

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THE RIFT GENERAL ASSEMBLY - THE LEIFAR WORLD ASSEMBLY COUNCIL

We, the delegates of The Rift, the city overseen by the Commons Governor, GARNET ROSE. With the representation of the leader of The Leifar World Assembly Council, and its General Assembly, Commons Delegate DEKHAN PERHEI. We of The Rift's General Assembly officially respond to the World Assembly's proposal of PREVENTING THE EXECUTION OF INNOCENTS with the vote of AGAINST. We see fit of the reasons listed below that we vote AGAINST this proposal.

To even begin, a "contradiction" of sorts finds itself within this proposal:

Subject to World Assembly legislation, member nations are permitted to sentence and carry out capital punishment within their jurisdictions.

As it tries it explain, this proposal is to remove the ability of member nations to dish out capital punishments, after the failure of the previous proposal. Yet, as seen in paragraph 8:

No member nation shall carry out a capital sentence on any person which has not had their case record certified by the Division within the last year.


Which, in turn, brings us to the first sentence in paragraph 2:

There shall be created a Capital Cases division in the Judicial Committee of the Compliance Commission, here referred to as the Division, staffed with competent jurists and forensic scientists, to review submitted cases.


Which, in turn, once more, causes a line of removal from the permission and right for Judicial Cases within multiple member nations. Crimes may be defined differently, and the court of nation may not be able to give an appropriate punishment.




There has been multiple loopholes seen within this document. One of such being, if they do not have a Criminal or Civil Court Case Record, they are automatically eligible for the Capital Punishment Court. As well, the defendant may not be in a proper custody due to a LACK of a Peacekeeper Force. Not to say that the Security Council isn't the peacekeeping force, but currently, the World Assembly has no weaponized force.




Finally, if in effect immediately, it may crash all Judicial Systems, thus cancelling hundreds of thousands of court cases across the world. As such, we all wish to make sure that this does not happen.




THIS DOCUMENT IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE, AS WE MAY FIND MORE REASONS TO SUPPORT OUR CASE.
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