Lord Dominator wrote:The idea that this was proposed or is passing being due to LKE being a monarchial region is ludicrous.
This.
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by Aclion » Fri May 31, 2019 9:39 am
Lord Dominator wrote:The idea that this was proposed or is passing being due to LKE being a monarchial region is ludicrous.
by Blueflarst » Fri May 31, 2019 10:37 am
Satuga wrote:Jocospor wrote:Worth noting is the current ideological position of NationStates. It's one thing to hate on the fascists, it's one thing to lump dictatorships in there too - but the simple monarchy? "The Land of Kings and Emperors" certainly evokes a sense of centrally-controlled governance and tradition. It would be a shame if this inaccurate resolution passed significantly aided by prejudice stemming from an unjustified stereotype.
Whilst somewhat true, it is certainly undeniable that there are a few nations within the region that likely does not deserve condemnation, it seems that the vast majority of the region is involved in the acts. (Also slight side note I just find it slightly funny coming from you seeing how your quote is "End democracy" lol but I digress) The Satugan people have never had favorable feelings towards monarchies and single party systems, as the potential for corruption is very high. So even then the Satugan people are likely to Condemn these nations.
by Blueflarst » Fri May 31, 2019 10:42 am
by Blueflarst » Fri May 31, 2019 12:01 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:That makes quite literally no sense Blueflarst
by The United Royal Islands of Euramathania » Fri May 31, 2019 12:08 pm
As I see it being vocally against raiding isn’t a matter of converting individuals to the “correct side”. It is about the process of amplifying a critique of the system - and advocating for the necessary changes which would address the systemic harms in a comprehensive way.
Rejecting the spurious notion that a region has some kind of perverse right to cause unjustified damage to others through acts of random aggression, and the dangerous ideal that selfish regional interests should take precedence over protecting inter-regional peace and doing what is right,
King HEM wrote: The Land of Kings and Emperors has undoubtedly been one of the strongest forces behind the development and politicization of Nationstates, providing political frameworks that have defined entire swaths of regions' government, politik, and culture.
by Lord Dominator » Fri May 31, 2019 3:15 pm
by Mestovakia » Fri May 31, 2019 3:22 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Fancy bit of campaigning you put out there LKE.
I'm sure the textwalls are appreciated by all
by Lord Dominator » Fri May 31, 2019 3:47 pm
by The Notorious Mad Jack » Fri May 31, 2019 3:50 pm
by Valfor » Fri May 31, 2019 4:13 pm
The Notorious Mad Jack wrote:I didn't appreciate the lie in that telegram that LKE didn't know about the invasion of TRR in advance. Like it's laughable to think they didn't know it advance when the LKE emperor was leading the operation. There's more than enough wrong with this resolution without resorting to that stupidity.
by Ru- » Fri May 31, 2019 4:53 pm
by Consular » Fri May 31, 2019 5:14 pm
by Lord Dominator » Fri May 31, 2019 5:21 pm
Consular wrote:Whoah a telegram to all WA nations. Bit desperate if you ask me.
by King HEM » Fri May 31, 2019 5:46 pm
In his attempt to defend this region from condemnation, he highlights this fundamental fact of the status quo - that in the absence of conscious design on behalf of the game moderators, those who had established regions and R/D practices have been able to shape and direct the culture of NationStates such that their activities are accepted and affirmed regardless of harms caused to others. While not solely responsible, that LKE officials in the thread also claim a role in promoting this culture, and do so in order to achieve positive affirmation for the region and forestall international judgement, thusly confirms my belief that it is necessary and proper to vote for this condemnation, despite the norms surrounding condemnation.
Further, that the resolution also clearly demonstrates how LKE violates the consensus views of the international order in their actions, should convince all those who do accept the status quo culture to vote for condemnation as well. I have no doubt, that any group or person who transgress the norms in such an egregious manner will find other ways to flout norms and rules where they feel it is in their own interest. It appears to me that despite assertions and protestations, this is no honorable region in a den of thrives, forced to conduct its business this way - but one which pushes boundaries, breaks with norms and standards, all in the name of regional self interest. We can hope the shame of being recognized and called out on this behavior will serve to caution to LKE in their extra-territorial activities and to others whom might be willing to head down a similar path.
by Borovan entered the region as he » Fri May 31, 2019 7:13 pm
by Lord Dominator » Fri May 31, 2019 7:20 pm
by Consular » Fri May 31, 2019 7:22 pm
by Lord Dominator » Fri May 31, 2019 7:26 pm
by Cormactopia II » Fri May 31, 2019 7:37 pm
6. Attempted manipulation of the region Osiris when it was under occupation by a rogue state, by dishonestly offering support to both sides and needlessly prolonging the conflict for its own benefit, which included leveraging its position to force Osiris to withdraw from the Pan-Sinker Security Pact and to sever all contact with the Founderless Regions Alliance, in what amounted to a blatant display of extortion.
by Jocospor » Fri May 31, 2019 8:52 pm
RiderSyl wrote:How unsurprising that the CCD and its ilk found the most factually detached way to criticize the proposal.
Monarchist and autocratic meritocracies have been popular on NS for years and years. Fascists have never been popular. You won't find common cause with us, so look elsewhere.
by Kuramia » Fri May 31, 2019 11:55 pm
5 hours ago: The Queendom of Lagertha updated the World Factbook entry.
5 hours ago: The Queendom of Lagertha updated the World Factbook entry.
2 days 3 hours ago: The Holy Democracy of The Universe World of the region The Great Universe proposed constructing embassies.
30 days ago: The Republic of Lipnitska departed this region for Velika Slavia.
30 days ago: The Republic of Lipnitska arrived from Velika Slavia.
54 days ago: Acj of the region One world peace proposed constructing embassies.
64 days ago: Kazachok ceased to exist.
68 days ago: Novolandia departed this region for Velika Slavia.
68 days ago: Novolandia arrived from Osiris.
89 days ago: Socialisticko carstvo jugoslavije ceased to exist.
by Blueflarst » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:42 am
Consular wrote:Whoah a telegram to all WA nations. Bit desperate if you ask me.
by Onderkelkia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:49 am
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