[PASSED] Command Responsibility

[Dreadton]

In addition to my earlier objection,

The bill states "A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets." However, nothing in this text has anything to do with military budgets.

[Separatist Peoples]

In addition to my earlier objection,

The bill states "A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets." However, nothing in this text has anything to do with military budgets.

"Increased training and education of military forces regarding their rights and obligations will increase their budget. Increased prosecution of military law offenders will drive up policing efforts. Try again."

[Grug Island]

Grug wonder if funny suit people missing the bigger cave painting.
If people with big stick hit people with no stick so often, why we give them big stick?
Why big stick used by funny suit people to make sure people with no stick give rocks to people with big stick?
Grug wonder why big stick exist.

[Falcania]

On the contrary. In war, possibly more than in any facet of life, it is imperative to understand right and wrong. How can you hope to have an effective force in conflict if you do not eliminate the cruel within your ranks?

How can you hope to have an effective force, if you are wasting your time by working with noncompliant soldiers and deserters? Our forces are efficient.

If you have a problem with your soldiers not complying with orders to commit war crimes, have you considered not ordering them to do war crimes? Desertion is not a big issue in the military of the Free Kingdom, because our command elements are good at their jobs. If you fail to establish even a de facto command structure, don't be surprised when you have insubordinate soldiers.

[Havl]

Grug wonder if funny suit people missing the bigger cave painting.
If people with big stick hit people with no stick so often, why we give them big stick?
Why big stick used by funny suit people to make sure people with no stick give rocks to people with big stick?
Grug wonder why big stick exist.

"I'm inclined to agree with the ambassador from Grug Island."

[Winchesterly]

The Dictatorship of Winchesterly would like to state that we are opposed to the idea of allowing the World Assembly to have any control over our military force. This bill is open for far too much liberal interpretation and allows too much outside influence.

[Falcania]

The Dictatorship of Winchesterly would like to state that we are opposed to the idea of allowing the World Assembly to have any control over our military force. This bill is open for far too much liberal interpretation and allows too much outside influence.

You, and several others, need to understand the distinction between "The WA is forcing me to enforce law X" and "The WA is forcing me to enforce laws at all". This is the latter.

[People of Phoenix]

The Republic of the People of Phoenix will be voting against. No!

[Kenmoria]

The Republic of the People of Phoenix will be voting against. No!

“Might I ask why?”

[Nakur]

National Security is vital to the long term stability of a nation. With nation security, comes economic security. The United States of Nakur votes FOR the resolution, and encourages all other members of the World Assembly to consider long term international security before they make their vote.

-Sebastian Caesar

[Arasi Luvasa]

"Arasi Luvasa is in favour, though we have similar legislation on our books already. Good luck ambassador, we clearly have some fools and potential war-criminals amongst our ranks who need to be tied down by personal culpability in their orders."

[Elyreia]

Elyreia is more than willing to enforce sanctions and, if need be, send expeditionary forces to assist in defense in the event that some jingoists here decide to cause trouble just to show off their military might in 'protest' to the resolution.

We'll show you the true meaning of military honour.

[Arasi Luvasa]

"Arasi Luvasa will also enact sanctions. If requested we may send voluntary military aid but we prefer to avoid war."

[Vaxian Imperium]

"It makes no difference to us whether this law is past or not, most of our military operations are mere pest control against lesser beings and from I see there is no minimum sentencing for crimes"

Vaktus

[Elyreia]

"It makes no difference to us whether this law is past or not, most of our military operations are mere pest control against lesser beings and from I see there is no minimum sentencing for crimes"

Vaktus

So long as you are a member of the World Assembly, there is no such thing as "lesser beings", as per multiple resolutions.

You are therefore not in compliance and we will be speaking with our colleagues on formally filing sanctions against your nation until compliance is met.

[The American-Rhodesian Coalition]

Where might i find records of WA legislation so that I have a better understanding of what this resolution will be compelling me to enforce?

[Separatist Peoples]

Where might i find records of WA legislation so that I have a better understanding of what this resolution will be compelling me to enforce?

OOC: It is stickied at the top of the forum.

[Vaxian Imperium]

"It makes no difference to us whether this law is past or not, most of our military operations are mere pest control against lesser beings and from I see there is no minimum sentencing for crimes"

Vaktus

So long as you are a member of the World Assembly, there is no such thing as "lesser beings", as per multiple resolutions.

You are therefore not in compliance and we will be speaking with our colleagues on formally filing sanctions against your nation until compliance is met.

(lesser being as in swarms of insectiods that eat everything in their path and cannibalistic mutants)

[Elyreia]

So long as you are a member of the World Assembly, there is no such thing as "lesser beings", as per multiple resolutions.

You are therefore not in compliance and we will be speaking with our colleagues on formally filing sanctions against your nation until compliance is met.

(lesser being as in swarms of insectiods that eat everything in their path and cannibalistic mutants)

OOC: Unfortunately, the CoCR applies to all sentient beings and, as it stands, the Elyreian Delegate has no idea what your nation is fighting aside from "lesser beings". You may want to clarify.

[Vaxian Imperium]

(lesser being as in swarms of insectiods that eat everything in their path and cannibalistic mutants)

OOC: Unfortunately, the CoCR applies to all sentient beings and, as it stands, the Elyreian Delegate has no idea what your nation is fighting aside from "lesser beings". You may want to clarify.

"No such thing as lesser beings? You think that these things that would shred my people without mercy in their maw deserve to have rights? then let me show you this video taken by one of our drones, sir"
https://youtu.be/jvzzimtJN7k
"These brave cadets were shot down by these things on their way to a training exercise with mere training rifles, accompanying them was a news crew to show how far they had come...as you see they were slaughtered..the one thrown and devoured was my own flesh and blood...so I refuse to show mercy to these things"

Vaktus

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Unfortunately, the CoCR applies to all sentient beings and, as it stands, the Elyreian Delegate has no idea what your nation is fighting aside from "lesser beings". You may want to clarify.

"No such thing as lesser beings? You think that these things that would shred my people without mercy in their maw deserve to have rights? then let me show you this video taken by one of our drones, sir"
https://youtu.be/jvzzimtJN7k
"These brave cadets were shot down by these things on their way to a training exercise with mere training rifles, accompanying them was a news crew to show how far they had come...as you see they were slaughtered..the one thrown and devoured was my own flesh and blood...so I refuse to show mercy to these things"

Vaktus

"Cool. Enjoy the sanctions when you violate WA law."

[Kyoki Chudoku]

”I know I’ve already said I’m iffy on this,” said Tokiko, not really expecting this to go very well, ”But he makes a point. Our old Tengo enemies where the kind of people who’d throw children into battle. Said children sung as they killed us, smiled as we killed them, and generally showed no signs of compassion, remorse, or free will. They built walls out of the corpses of their own dead, sent out child suicide bombers, and I think it was all because their leaders had absolute control and wanted to drive us all crazy. I’d make a case that such opponents shouldn’t be considered to have any rights, and that any kind of so-called atrocity against ‘em should be justified.”

[Separatist Peoples]

”I know I’ve already said I’m iffy on this,” said Tokiko, not really expecting this to go very well, ”But he makes a point. Our old Tengo enemies where the kind of people who’d throw children into battle. Said children sung as they killed us, smiled as we killed them, and generally showed no signs of compassion, remorse, or free will. They built walls out of the corpses of their own dead, sent out child suicide bombers, and I think it was all because their leaders had absolute control and wanted to drive us all crazy. I’d make a case that such opponents shouldn’t be considered to have any rights, and that any kind of so-called atrocity against ‘em should be justified.”

"Right. Meeting atrocity with atrocity is the best way to solve a complicated problem. Ambassador, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, using the same tactics makes you as bad as your enemy? Or that, having free will and choosing barbarity, you're even worse than your enemy?"

[Kyoki Chudoku]

”I know I’ve already said I’m iffy on this,” said Tokiko, not really expecting this to go very well, ”But he makes a point. Our old Tengo enemies where the kind of people who’d throw children into battle. Said children sung as they killed us, smiled as we killed them, and generally showed no signs of compassion, remorse, or free will. They built walls out of the corpses of their own dead, sent out child suicide bombers, and I think it was all because their leaders had absolute control and wanted to drive us all crazy. I’d make a case that such opponents shouldn’t be considered to have any rights, and that any kind of so-called atrocity against ‘em should be justified.”

"Right. Meeting atrocity with atrocity is the best way to solve a complicated problem. Ambassador, have you considered that maybe, just maybe, using the same tactics makes you as bad as your enemy? Or that, having free will and choosing barbarity, you're even worse than your enemy?"

Tokiko took out her knife, and pointed it at her eyepatch. ”I’ve been a diplomat for a while, but never did much diplomacy. Only got my current job after the Nightmare. Do you want to know what happened to me during that Nightmare? One of those little blighters gouged my eye out, and I was one of the lucky ones. It’s easy for you to act all high-and-mighty when as the one who’s job it is to negotiate with people. Yeah. Try negotiation on them, see where it gets you. Play nice with the kids who pretend to be your own troops just to ambush you, the soldiers who have no food on them because they’re expected to die en masse, singing and smiling and committing genocide as they resort to cannibalising each other ‘cause that’s the only rations they’re gonna get. Be gentle with the people using agony beams that leave you in overwhelming pain, having a seizure every five seconds for months on end, from an instant of exposure. Don’t be too hard on the people who melted entire cities apart. I couldn’t be as bad as them if I tried to, ambassador. I take offence to your characterisation of such situations as a complicated problem. It’s a very simple one. Do everything you can to survive and struggle to fight them off, or die a gruesome, agonising death. Atrocity or not, which option do you reckon I’m gonna pick? Oh, right, special pleading, isn’t it? Let’s just condemn everyone involved! Oh, except the what, hundred million fatalities on our side? Can’t really go after them because they’re dead. You can’t just ignore situations like this. Rare or not, special or not, they happen, and I’ll tell you now, I’d rather have a few sanctions than no defence force.”

[Separatist Peoples]

Tokiko took out her knife, and pointed it at her eyepatch. ”I’ve been a diplomat for a while, but never did much diplomacy. Only got my current job after the Nightmare. Do you want to know what happened to me during that Nightmare? One of those little blighters gouged my eye out, and I was one of the lucky ones. It’s easy for you to act all high-and-mighty when as the one who’s job it is to negotiate with people. Yeah. Try negotiation on them, see where it gets you. Play nice with the kids who pretend to be your own troops just to ambush you, the soldiers who have no food on them because they’re expected to die en masse, singing and smiling and committing genocide as they resort to cannibalising each other ‘cause that’s the only rations they’re gonna get. Be gentle with the people using agony beams that leave you in overwhelming pain, having a seizure every five seconds for months on end, from an instant of exposure. Don’t be too hard on the people who melted entire cities apart. I couldn’t be as bad as them if I tried to, ambassador. I take offence to your characterisation of such situations as a complicated problem. It’s a very simple one. Do everything you can to survive and struggle to fight them off, or die a gruesome, agonising death. Atrocity or not, which option do you reckon I’m gonna pick? Oh, right, special pleading, isn’t it? Let’s just condemn everyone involved! Oh, except the what, hundred million fatalities on our side? Can’t really go after them because they’re dead. You can’t just ignore situations like this. Rare or not, special or not, they happen, and I’ll tell you now, I’d rather have a few sanctions than no defence force.”

"Ambassador, I believe you've told most of this story before.

"I am not ignoring these situations. I am making an ethical decision that they do not outweigh the need for commanders to be responsible for their illegal actions."