NationStates

The New California Republic wrote:

Lamoni wrote:
OOC: As it stands at present, the chances of this passing are very, very, very low.

OOC: I know. I just don't see the point in posting a draft to the forum if they don't want feedback. It makes no sense.

OOC: It often means that they know their proposal would get shot down, and just want to ram it through.

I don't think that this region has really accomplished enough to be commended, and I really don't want dictatorial governance to spread. Because of this I will vote against this resolution (assuming it even comes to the floor for a vote).

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:

Armaros wrote:Right, just what we needed. more fascists in the sc. Listen dude, the Security Council luckily consists of people who don't like horrific and disgusting ideologists. This region, like so many others, has done nothing to be commended. Fascists don't deserve anything but being driven out of their homes. There is no place in ns for abhorrent people who advocate racism and discrimination besides genocide. Fascism is trash, and those who believe in it are horrible people. I really hope you give this up so we don't waste our time here and can get back to serious resolutions. Thank you in advance.

EDIT: Did I mention that it's a self commend? those are generally not liked.

Wow that's a pretty dramatic post over a security council resolution that won't pass anyway.

I don't think that this region has really accomplished enough to be commended, and I really don't want dictatorial governance to spread. Because of this I will vote against this resolution (assuming it even comes to the floor for a vote).

I don’t disregard it coming to the floor, because it’s a large region with a big WA representation.
However, most proposals by this region (notably ones by the delegate) have all been defeated miserably, so don’t be too worried

Against, being a big region isn't commendable

Against.

This is going to be at vote

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:This is going to be at vote

It'll fail.

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:This is going to be at vote

It'll fail.

I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:This is going to be at vote

Courtesy of three campaign telegrams in the past 48 hours... which should tell you a lot about how many people want it.

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Caracasus wrote:

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:It'll fail.

I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

Wait a minute, did somebody say "campaign telegram?" Yeah, sorry, I did... the latest one claims that "This isn't a motion to commend the Confederation. It's a motion to commend the nations of the region, to celebrate the world's diversity."

Caracasus wrote:

Democratic Empire of Romania wrote:It'll fail.

I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

They said on the RMB somewhere that 300 nations in the region means they qualify for "deserving a Commendation". They have people who seem to genuinely believe they deserve to be recognized by the SC.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32130238

Xoriet wrote:

Caracasus wrote:
I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

They said on the RMB somewhere that 300 nations in the region means they qualify for "deserving a Commendation". They have people who seem to genuinely believe they deserve to be recognized by the SC.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32130238

That nation is a) an idiot and b) no longer a member of the Confederation. Whatever he may or may not have said is no longer relevant, for he no longer represents our region.

Jocospor wrote:

Xoriet wrote:They said on the RMB somewhere that 300 nations in the region means they qualify for "deserving a Commendation". They have people who seem to genuinely believe they deserve to be recognized by the SC.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=32130238

That nation is a) an idiot and b) no longer a member of the Confederation. Whatever he may or may not have said is no longer relevant, for he no longer represents our region.

Yes, I saw the blowup earlier. Doesn't change the fact that you guys are clearly in favor of this.

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: So you want no feedback at all and for this to fail miserably as a result? Fine by me, as the result will be that this will crash and burn...

Oh, you finally figured the first part out. I'd prefer it didn't crash and burn.

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:This is going to be at vote

I would hope so, yes.

Caracasus wrote:I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

Not true, we've always intended for the resolution to pass. Look at the hostile response we've received in this thread - I'm not super keen on having these same people help draft the proposal.

OOC:

This is just the latest example of trolling from similarly-minded nations that I've seen recently.

They're just trying to get a rise out you.

I firmly believe the best course of action is to mostly ignore such proposals. You give them too much credence by being drawn into arguments. My advice would be to voice your opposition, simply, and then move on. Most of these will die away on their own without the flames being fed by argument.

Cheers

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: So you want no feedback at all and for this to fail miserably as a result? Fine by me, as the result will be that this will crash and burn...

Oh, you finally figured the first part out. I'd prefer it didn't crash and burn.

You may prefer that, but the fact is that it will. Not a single GCR delegate would vote for this, nor would any of the high endorsed UCR delegates.

Christ Triumphant wrote:OOC:

This is just the latest example of trolling from similarly-minded nations that I've seen recently.

They're just trying to get a rise out you.

I firmly believe the best course of action is to mostly ignore such proposals. You give them too much credence by being drawn into arguments. My advice would be to voice your opposition, simply, and then move on. Most of these will die away on their own without the flames being fed by argument.

Cheers

Well said mon amie.

Edit: Except for the possible troll naming I just noticed.

Christ Triumphant wrote:OOC:

This is just the latest example of trolling from similarly-minded nations that I've seen recently.

They're just trying to get a rise out you.

I firmly believe the best course of action is to mostly ignore such proposals. You give them too much credence by being drawn into arguments. My advice would be to voice your opposition, simply, and then move on. Most of these will die away on their own without the flames being fed by argument.

You're right, I'm not even sure why I'm still replying. Dictatorial nations need to stand strong and united in spite of the trolling from this huge coalition of liberal scum. I have no doubt the proposal will pass regardless.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: So you want no feedback at all and for this to fail miserably as a result? Fine by me, as the result will be that this will crash and burn...

Oh, you finally figured the first part out. I'd prefer it didn't crash and burn.

I finally figured out that you are doing something that makes no sense and is self-defeating, so yay me(!)

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: So you want no feedback at all and for this to fail miserably as a result? Fine by me, as the result will be that this will crash and burn...

Oh, you finally figured the first part out. I'd prefer it didn't crash and burn.

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:This is going to be at vote

I would hope so, yes.

Caracasus wrote:I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

Not true, we've always intended for the resolution to pass. Look at the hostile response we've received in this thread - I'm not super keen on having these same people help draft the proposal.

Well put. Why engage with a community that won't support our proposals in the first place because they are obsessively prejudiced against what we stand for? What a beautiful community to be a part of.

Caracasus wrote:
I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

We'd like to comment on this toxic commentary on spending money on telegram stamps. First of all, what, you think the huge regions don't use telegram stamps? Mmm. Those nations all just got there somehow. *Woosh!* Nations appearing out of thin air! Extraordinary! Secondly, if you're going to quantify how much we've spent, you should get your numbers right. 30,000 is a cute estimate at best.

Quite frankly, if you aren't prepared to fund a Mr Max Barry's lunches, we bloody well are - and we see absolutely no logical comparison between our telegram stamps and criticism concerning this proposal.

Jocospor wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:Oh, you finally figured the first part out. I'd prefer it didn't crash and burn.


I would hope so, yes.


Not true, we've always intended for the resolution to pass. Look at the hostile response we've received in this thread - I'm not super keen on having these same people help draft the proposal.

Well put. Why engage with a community that won't support our proposals in the first place because they are obsessively prejudiced against what we stand for? What a beautiful community to be a part of.

Caracasus wrote:
I don't think the author cares if it passes or not, only that it gets to be voted on. I imagine this is a publicity stunt, nothing more. It is a region that spent money on 30000 TG stamps to pump its numbers by about 200% in a couple of months. Pretty sure they just want more recruits.

We'd like to comment on this toxic commentary on spending money on telegram stamps. First of all, what, you think the huge regions don't use telegram stamps? Mmm. Those nations all just got there somehow. *Woosh!* Nations appearing out of thin air! Extraordinary! Secondly, if you're going to quantify how much we've spent, you should get your numbers right. 30,000 is a cute estimate at best.

Quite frankly, if you aren't prepared to fund a Mr Max Barry's lunches, we bloody well are - and we see absolutely no logical comparison between our telegram stamps and criticism concerning this proposal.

No one cares about how much money you spend on stamps imho. What really matters is how you use them, and the only way I've seen you use them so far is to poach nations from other regions that spend stamps recruiting new nations instead of poaching. Poaching alone is enough to make sure you never get a commendation, but you've done it more than once.

Jocospor wrote:Why engage with a community that won't support our proposals in the first place because they are obsessively prejudiced against what we stand for? What a beautiful community to be a part of.

OOC: To be fair it is about as beautiful as a shameless self-commendation.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I have no doubt the proposal will pass regardless.

All in, fair warned: Should SLL's declaration somehow turn out to be justified, I have a short repeal proposal waiting in the wings.

Tinhampton wrote:

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:I have no doubt the proposal will pass regardless.

All in, fair warned: Should SLL's declaration somehow turn out to be justified, I have a short repeal proposal waiting in the wings.

You should probably post it on the forum now so that you can begin drafting it nice and early. That's bound to exponentially increase the chance of it passing.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:All in, fair warned: Should SLL's declaration somehow turn out to be justified, I have a short repeal proposal waiting in the wings.

You should probably post it to the forum now so that you can begin drafting it nice and early. That's bound to exponentially increase the chance of it passing.

Go look at the regions with the most endorsements on their delegacies. Then look back to the endorsements on your minor supporters for the stack to get your proposal to vote. Then back again. This is the future of your proposal should it make it to vote. Utter demolition.

ShrewLlamaLand wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:All in, fair warned: Should SLL's declaration somehow turn out to be justified, I have a short repeal proposal waiting in the wings.

You should probably post it to the forum now so that you can begin drafting it nice and early. That's bound to exponentially increase the chance of it passing.

I highly doubt that. It'll be crushed as soon as it reaches vote by the GCR delegates.