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Prydania
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Postby Prydania » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:27 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:One more reason to be against. I'm older than this region and so are some of the players

Agreed. It says on their region page: "Founded 25th November 2015". Not. Old. At. All.

Hell, Prydania as a nation is older than CoCD, and Prydania is my second main nation XD
I've been playing this game on and off for over twelve years, so SLL can get out of here with this "the Confederation is an old region!" nonsense.
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Inberdia
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Postby Inberdia » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:48 pm

Inberdia and its people are against this enough that we actually sent out a dispatch telling other nations not to vote for this farce of a request to the SC. There is absolutely no point in supporting this, nor does the region in question deserve it.

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Ravon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Ravon » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:48 pm

I hope someone is drafting a resolution to condemn them and that it receives popular support. Fascism has no place on NS or anywhere for that matter. Not even the filthiest trash bag.

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Kuriko
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Postby Kuriko » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:50 pm

Ravon wrote:I hope someone is drafting a resolution to condemn them and that it receives popular support. Fascism has no place on NS or anywhere for that matter. Not even the filthiest trash bag.

Condemnations are nothing but badges of honor, same as commendations. I don't think we should give them any more recognition.
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Democratic Empire of Romania
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:51 pm

Ravon wrote:I hope someone is drafting a resolution to condemn them and that it receives popular support. Fascism has no place on NS or anywhere for that matter. Not even the filthiest trash bag.

There is one.Check Esilium.
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The Chicago Economic States
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Shameful Resolution

Postby The Chicago Economic States » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:29 pm

In the view of The CES, this is a sickening resolution that is designed to promote authoritarianism and the decay of human rights and liberties. We are overjoyed that the majority of the international community has showed their disgust with this resolution.

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Great New Sealand
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Ex-Nation

Postby Great New Sealand » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:32 pm

Honestly, I have no idea how this proposal got to the floor. But one thing's for sure,

Against
Debater.

please help me

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Sefy the Great
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A Better Idea

Postby Sefy the Great » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:35 pm

forget condemning them, what we need is a WA proposal that stops someone from self-commending themselves or their region. permanently.
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Motto is "All shall be well, and all matter of things shall be well." but it didn't fit.
reworking history, please wait...

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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Sat Aug 25, 2018 3:44 pm

Sefy the Great wrote:forget condemning them, what we need is a WA proposal that stops someone from self-commending themselves or their region. permanently.

WA proposal can’t do that, and it’s too difficult to enforce. Up to the voters to stop that, and they almost always do.

Anyway, CCD hasn’t done near enough to warrant a condemnation, nor are they worth giving the publicity
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By way of comparison with reality, this proposal is slightly less unpopular than Commend Northern Redlands was after 13 hours (10.6% vs 10.3%). :clap:

Keep in mind, three of the Feeders and two of the Sinkers have yet to vote, so the opposition is most definitely going to get much bigger.

TWP’s unlikely to vote on anything while Neenee is Delegate and Rach and Imki usually don’t vote.

Don’t think Altino usually does, either, but she did this time.

Dunno what’s the deal with TSP.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:47 pm

Fauxia wrote:Don’t think Altino usually does, either, but she did this time.

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Poopsancagizal
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Postby Poopsancagizal » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:56 pm

i can't believe this actually went through lol

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Jocospor
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Jocospor » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:27 pm

Poopsancagizal wrote:i can't believe this actually went through lol

What can we say. We have a particular set of skills.
HAIL THE CONFEDERATION!
CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS | IMPERIAL OFFICES
JOCOSPOR | CENTRAL IMPERIAL DIREKTORATE


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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:33 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Poopsancagizal wrote:i can't believe this actually went through lol

What can we say. We have a particular set of skills.

It only took 3 times as much effort as every other proposal :clap:

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Tobise
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Postby Tobise » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:45 pm

The WA is a collectivist, democratic super-government. If you thought this proposal wouldn't get annihilated, you're delusional.

I'm guessing the point of this proposal wasn't to pass, though.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:00 pm

Tobise wrote:The WA is a collectivist, democratic super-government. If you thought this proposal wouldn't get annihilated, you're delusional.

I'm guessing the point of this proposal wasn't to pass, though.

According to testimony from the people associated with the authoring of it, the point of it was to pass, and they did indeed think it would do so.

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Jocospor
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Postby Jocospor » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:01 pm

Tobise wrote:The WA is a collectivist, democratic super-government. If you thought this proposal wouldn't get annihilated, you're delusional.

I'm guessing the point of this proposal wasn't to pass, though.

Your guess is incorrect, we're afraid to say.
HAIL THE CONFEDERATION!
CONFEDERATION OF CORRUPT DICTATORS | IMPERIAL OFFICES
JOCOSPOR | CENTRAL IMPERIAL DIREKTORATE


The Shadow Cult is rising...

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RiderSyl
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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:08 pm

Jocospor wrote:
Poopsancagizal wrote:i can't believe this actually went through lol

What can we say. We have a particular set of skills.

I wouldn't call spending money a skill.
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Sefy the Great
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Postby Sefy the Great » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:22 am

Jocospor wrote:
Tobise wrote:The WA is a collectivist, democratic super-government. If you thought this proposal wouldn't get annihilated, you're delusional.

I'm guessing the point of this proposal wasn't to pass, though.

Your guess is incorrect, we're afraid to say.

*slow clapping* well done, it only took you eight minutes to become a laughing stock to all of the slightly saner and less-Fascist side.
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Motto is "All shall be well, and all matter of things shall be well." but it didn't fit.
reworking history, please wait...

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Kaiserlich Germanic States
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Postby Kaiserlich Germanic States » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:40 am

Well, hurray that the resolution to commend the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is being defeated relentlessly in the Security Council. And may I inquire Jocospor and the other members of the Confederation about why they threw a hissy fit and acted in a roguish manner towards my region of Europe when it didn't agree with them?

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Azadistan-land of the free
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Ex-Nation

Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:48 am

what is to say we should Commend people for fascism?

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Sefy the Great
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Ex-Nation

Postby Sefy the Great » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:49 am

Kaiserlich Germanic States wrote:Well, hurray that the resolution to commend the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is being defeated relentlessly in the Security Council. And may I inquire Jocospor and the other members of the Confederation about why they threw a hissy fit and acted in a roguish manner towards my region of Europe when it didn't agree with them?

interesting - how far back in your RMB is it? what pages?
A 12.7 civilization, according to this index.

Motto is "All shall be well, and all matter of things shall be well." but it didn't fit.
reworking history, please wait...

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Democratic Empire of Romania
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:08 am

Sefy the Great wrote:
Kaiserlich Germanic States wrote:Well, hurray that the resolution to commend the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is being defeated relentlessly in the Security Council. And may I inquire Jocospor and the other members of the Confederation about why they threw a hissy fit and acted in a roguish manner towards my region of Europe when it didn't agree with them?

interesting - how far back in your RMB is it? what pages?
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Ravendi
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Ex-Nation

Postby Ravendi » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:18 am

It is a dangerous game to commend or condemn a region for political ideology, but given the nature of commendations/condemnations we recognize it may be impossible to not base it at least partially on a judgment of values.

Having said that, the Ravendian delegacy would like to make clear that, while it does not take a hostile stance towards fascist nations per se, neither will it be able to support a commendation that merely lauds their existence rather than any concrete accomplishments towards building the NS community.

Furthermore, we have not observed any significant attempt by the resolution author and regional delegate to engage in constructive dialogue with other Security Council members at this point or in their previous attempts at crafting resolutions. Rather, their presence seems to typically incite greater conflict and divisions. While the actions of individual nations stand separate from resolutions aimed towards a region, it certainly does not instill confidence that the proposal was created in good faith.

Ravendi shall stand with our regional delegate in voting Against.

Sefy the Great wrote:forget condemning them, what we need is a WA proposal that stops someone from self-commending themselves or their region. permanently.

OOC: I don't really mind, it's a bit pompous to commend your own region but "pompous" is pretty much 80% of what NS is most of the time. This spat of proposals that were sent to vote with minimal drafting periods has been somewhat aggravating, though, no matter how satisfying it is to see them crushed.
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Cylain
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Ex-Nation

Postby Cylain » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:29 am

Kaiserlich Germanic States wrote:Well, hurray that the resolution to commend the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators is being defeated relentlessly in the Security Council. And may I inquire Jocospor and the other members of the Confederation about why they threw a hissy fit and acted in a roguish manner towards my region of Europe when it didn't agree with them?

This is wrong, the nation that "acted in a roguish manner" shared the same name as our region. Your regional officers apparently couldn't tell the difference between a nation and region with the same name:
https://www.nationstates.net/nation=con ... _dictators

As much as I despise Europe, we've never declared war against them (yet).

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Isvataan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Isvataan » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:53 am

I always love how when there's a issue that people disagree that they're will be always an overreaction (as seen on votes) and act "self righteous".

No wonder why there hasn't been any drafts accepted for two months because of this kind of craziness

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