[DEFEATED] Commend Confederation Of Corrupt Dictators

[Sefy the Great]

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*clapping*
well said, Caracas! well said!

[Iciaros]

Huh. So, we can commend gay people for no real particular reason, but when it's fascists, everybody just raise their hands with their palms open in the air and wave them, while repeatedly saying "no"? It's just a plain, simple decision to increase freedom of expression and make sure every opinion is not feared, but respected to a certain degree. Or, at least, it seems so in my opinion.

Having re-read the resolution "Commend Gay", we do agree that the majority of the mentioned contributions can be viewed as partisan, as in this resolution. However, based purely on the statements within the resolutions themselves, Commend Gay cites more instances and examples of involvement in the international community than this resolution, which makes statements in the absence of needed elaboration and evidence (In what way has the Confederation exercised its international influence? How has it promoted its values? What quantifiable result has it achieved?). Commend Gay also includes a mention of Gay acting as a Defender region, which is an activity typically cited in awarding Commendations, whereas this resolution make no mention of such activity.

That said, however, there is no doubt some nations voted for Commend Gay and against this resolution, and vice-versa, because they despised the opposing opinion. We don't believe this is out of the ordinary, nor do we think it is necessarily wrong. Certainly, we should treat all opinions with respect, in that we approach and analyse them with the same objective lens. But, having done that, if a nation still finds an opinion detestable or fearful, is it not entitled to take a stand against it? Voting against an opinion you disagree with is not necessarily a display of disrespect (though it well could be), but merely one of disapproval at least. We are of the opinion that this is acceptable.

(As a side note, and unrelated to my vote, the typos in the resolution were a little off-putting.)

[Prydania]

Huh. So, we can commend gay people for no real particular reason, but when it's fascists, everybody just raise their hands with their palms open in the air and wave them, while repeatedly saying "no"? It's just a plain, simple decision to increase freedom of expression and make sure every opinion is not feared, but respected to a certain degree. Or, at least, it seems so in my opinion.

How are LGBT people and fascists comparable?

[The New California Republic]

OOC: To reiterate for all the newcomers, now that this is at vote:

The entire thing is a shameless publicity ploy, I mean it is a self-commendation for fuck's sake, it is so unbelievably self-serving...

[Nineveh Plains]

Honestly, why is anyone even taking this seriously? The only thing he wants a condemnation for is having a certain ideology, there is no more reason to commend this then there are reason to commend any other region that bases its region off a certain ideology, (ex, Communism, Capitalist Democracy, Anarchism, Whatever)

[Furry Things]

For example, I consulted with the Imperial Empire before submitting this proposal, which I am pleased to note was drafted for a total of 8 minutes before being submitted.

While I generally prefer a thorough drafting period, I'll still consider it as long as it is well-written. I'm not going to get in the whole fascism debate, because it doesn't matter in this context. My main issue with this proposal is that it lists some vague things, but never provides any specific examples of what was done. If you can provide evidence of specific things that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has done to improve the regions and the countries in it and if you resubmit this, I might consider it, but it would still be much better if you let it sit and be drafted for a few weeks. There are a lot of nations that will not enact anything that hasn't been drafted. For now, I must vote against this resolution as it is currently.

Best,
Zzyzx Wolfe

[ShrewLlamaLand]

How are LGBT people and fascists comparable?

How are they not comparable?

We're both minority groups, just the majority of NationStates hates one and loves the other.

OOC: To reiterate for all the newcomers, now that this is at vote:

The entire thing is a shameless publicity ploy, I mean it is a self-commendation for fuck's sake, it is so unbelievably self-serving...

Again, you're wrong and this is about the third time I've said this.

While I generally prefer a thorough drafting period, I'll still consider it as long as it is well-written. I'm not going to get in the whole fascism debate, because it doesn't matter in this context. My main issue with this proposal is that it lists some vague things, but never provides any specific examples of what was done. If you can provide evidence of specific things that the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators has done to improve the regions and the countries in it and if you resubmit this, I might consider it, but it would still be much better if you let it sit and be drafted for a few weeks. There are a lot of nations that will not enact anything that hasn't been drafted. For now, I must vote against this resolution as it is currently.

Best,
Zzyzx Wolfe

Thank you for actually providing feedback other than "hurr durr fascism is bad". I will definitely consider re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal if it fails to pass this time around.

[The New California Republic]

The entire thing is a shameless publicity ploy, I mean it is a self-commendation for fuck's sake, it is so unbelievably self-serving...

Again, you're wrong and this is about the third time I've said this.

You are a high ranking member of the region that you are trying to commend. It is a shameless self-promotion through self-commendation.

[Furry Things]

Thank you for actually providing feedback other than "hurr durr fascism is bad". I will definitely consider re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal if it fails to pass this time around.

The drafting period can be pretty helpful, because even if you get people just objecting, you'll tend to get some helpful feedback so that your resolution has teeth.

On an OOC note:

I don't really care what a country or region chooses as their ideology on NationStates. My main is Left-wing Utopia, and I have two puppets, one which is a Psychotic Dictatorship and another which is an Anarchy. I find the most extreme ends of the spectrum are more fun to play, especially trying to max out the relevant stats through issues. For me, it's just for fun. I'm not going to get into my actual political beliefs here, because no matter what they are, at least half of the people will disagree with me.

Best,
Zzyzx Wolfe

[Kuriko]

Thank you for actually providing feedback other than "hurr durr fascism is bad". I will definitely consider re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal if it fails to pass this time around.

It'll still fail because your region hasn't done anything commend worthy.

[Caracasus]

How are LGBT people and fascists comparable?

How are they not comparable?

We're both minority groups,

While that is technically true, it really is not much to draw or infer anything on. Other minority groups on NS could include: Nations with purple in their flags, nations with gifs instead of flags, nations united by a shared love of WW2 navy ships, nations beginning with B and nations run by chartered accountants living in Amsterdamn called Paul.

What actual points of comparison are there between yoir region and gay people aside from the fact you do not make up the majority of NS users?

[Old Hope]

How did this go to a vote? This is a commendation of a FASCIST region... The delegates who rubber-stamped this should be truly ashamed.

Recognising that the Confederation has exercised its international power to promote the spread of fascism and dictatorial governance throughout the world, and in doing so has provided a new home for many hundreds of like-minded nations;

Hereby commends the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

Read the resolution.

[Isvataan]

Honestly, why is anyone even taking this seriously? The only thing he wants a condemnation for is having a certain ideology, there is no more reason to commend this then there are reason to commend any other region that bases its region off a certain ideology, (ex, Communism, Capitalist Democracy, Anarchism, Whatever)

You ain't wrong there. On here though, if identify as a fascist (does and doesn't have to be align with the European fascists) then people will hate yeah. But if you're identify as a communist (does and doesn't have to align with the soviets) then its okay to be that.

Both are terrible and murderous idealogoies that had killed millions (though one (communists) lasted longer and killed more human life. Yet, one is held up in great regard awhile the other one is okayish. If one is bad then they're all bad, regardless if it's okay to have or not.

Votes are in and it will tell either there's diversity, tolerance (and maybe though I doube it) and acceptance or it will show again why there hasn't been any issues going out for the past two months

[Sefy the Great]

How did this go to a vote? This is a commendation of a FASCIST region... The delegates who rubber-stamped this should be truly ashamed.

Recognising that the Confederation has exercised its international power to promote the spread of fascism and dictatorial governance throughout the world, and in doing so has provided a new home for many hundreds of like-minded nations;

Hereby commends the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

Read the resolution.

buddy, they took eight minutes to create this. eight minutes.
it's already become a meme to make any talk about the span of time only eight minutes, for example:
"yeah, the hobbit was written in eight minutes on a piece of used toilet paper."

[Avuncula]

How did this achieve a quorum? Poorly written for one who does not merit commendation. NAY!

[New Ciencia]

I am sure there is an actual reason to comment this region; however, it only seems to have affected only the nations in said region and has very little to do with the rest of the world. I do not believe, given this, that this resolution should be voted for. Please try to convince me otherwise.

[The New California Republic]

How did this achieve a quorum? Poorly written for one who does not merit commendation. NAY!

OOC: Telegram spamming regional delegates, that's how they did it. If they want to waste money buying a shitload of telegram stamps to make it reach quorum, just for this to fail miserably during the general vote, then who are we to argue?

[The New California Republic]

I am sure there is an actual reason to comment this region; however, it only seems to have affected only the nations in said region and has very little to do with the rest of the world. I do not believe, given this, that this resolution should be voted for. Please try to convince me otherwise.

It is a self-commendation, someone in the region that is being commended wrote it, another fantastic reason to vote against it...

[Snowman]

How did this achieve a quorum? Poorly written for one who does not merit commendation. NAY!

OOC: Telegram spamming regional delegates, that's how they did it. If they want to waste money buying a shitload of telegram stamps to make it reach quorum, just for this to fail miserably during the general vote, then who are we to argue?

I got as many pro commend as I did do not commend telegrams. I considered both spammy. I put my vote towards quorum because I wanted to see exactly what is happening. Good entertainment for the game.

[Prydania]

How are LGBT people and fascists comparable?

How are they not comparable?

We're both minority groups, just the majority of NationStates hates one and loves the other.

Last I checked the region of Gay doesn't support an ideology that's been used to send to people to death camps.
So that's one major difference, and a reason why you're not as beloved as you wish to be.

[Tinhampton]

I hope it will pass, it is past the time other regions should see greatness of our confederstion.

Hail the Confederation

Dictatorial nations need to stand strong and united in spite of the trolling from this huge coalition of liberal scum. I have no doubt the proposal will pass regardless.

All in, fair warned: Should SLL's declaration somehow turn out to be justified, I have a short repeal proposal waiting in the wings.

You should probably post it on the forum now so that you can begin drafting it nice and early. That's bound to exponentially increase the chance of it passing.

I don't see where I said I speak on behalf of "all mainstream NS players", care to point out where I do? Like I said before, most of NS is anti-fascist, which includes most of the mainstream players.

By stating that most of NS is anti-fascist, you're effectively speaking on their behalf.

By way of comparison with reality, this proposal is slightly less unpopular than Commend Northern Redlands was after 13 hours (10.6% vs 10.3%).

[Inberdia]

Hmmm... lemme think about it....

no

[Lord Dominator]

I hope it will pass, it is past the time other regions should see greatness of our confederstion.

Hail the Confederation

Dictatorial nations need to stand strong and united in spite of the trolling from this huge coalition of liberal scum. I have no doubt the proposal will pass regardless.

You should probably post it on the forum now so that you can begin drafting it nice and early. That's bound to exponentially increase the chance of it passing.

By stating that most of NS is anti-fascist, you're effectively speaking on their behalf.

By way of comparison with reality, this proposal is slightly less unpopular than Commend Northern Redlands was after 13 hours (10.6% vs 10.3%).

Keep in mind, three of the Feeders and two of the Sinkers have yet to vote, so the opposition is most definitely going to get much bigger.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

the Confederation is an old region with a very rich history, which has recently seen immense growth and now ranks among the most populous regions in the world;

One more reason to be against. I'm older than this region and so are some of the players

[The New California Republic]

the Confederation is an old region with a very rich history, which has recently seen immense growth and now ranks among the most populous regions in the world;

One more reason to be against. I'm older than this region and so are some of the players

Agreed. It says on their region page: "Founded 25th November 2015". Not. Old. At. All.