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[DEFEATED] Ban on Capital Punishment

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Postby New Jibby » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:24 am

*Jimbo shuffles his tie* "Well guys i mean even though youve lost maybe we could all celebrate together, Right? I mean like i dont know what you guys do after these meetings. So uh yeah."
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:01 am

"Ban on Capital Punishment" was defeated 10,165 votes to 7,905.

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Postby New Jibby » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:03 am

Yay
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:17 am

New Jibby wrote:*Jimbo shuffles his tie* "Well guys i mean even though youve lost maybe we could all celebrate together, Right? I mean like i dont know what you guys do after these meetings. So uh yeah."

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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:21 am

Cosmopolitan borovan wrote:"Ban on Capital Punishment" was defeated 10,165 votes to 7,905.

OOC: Thankfully. I just hope that there is no constant resubmission of this.
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Postby New Jibby » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:26 am

The New California Republic wrote:OOC: Thankfully. I just hope that there is no constant resubmission of this.


OOC: there is just a bit looser
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Postby Grenartia » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:01 am

Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: :( I was looking forward to the ensuing explosion of rage and Natsov that would result from it being passed. Even without the controversy, it was still a good law that I would like to have seen passed, if only for the resulting discussion about WA overreach.)


Agreed.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:12 am

Nunavutialand wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: If it makes you feel better, the information was offered unsolicited.

OOC: More proof that the Secretariat is a complete and utter twat.

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Postby Sacara » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:34 am

Extremely delighted to see this fail.
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Postby Inberdia » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:45 am

It would have been entertaining to see this pass, but I dont really care.

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Postby Hobbesistan » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:18 pm

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Postby Linux and the X » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:52 pm

We hope this will be resubmitted. Even if it fails again, we're happy to see it drain the resources of those states that believe it acceptable to kill.
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Postby Kashida » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:15 pm

Linux and the X wrote:We hope this will be resubmitted. Even if it fails again, we're happy to see it drain the resources of those states that believe it acceptable to kill.

This cost Kashida literally nothing to fight in fact after the first day we just kept an eye on the voting.Also how petty lose with dignity.
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Postby Kashida » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:16 pm

Victory! We the nation of Kashida are glad to see the ban defeated and to see that WA nations sovereign right of law will remain with the nation.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:17 pm

Kashida wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:We hope this will be resubmitted. Even if it fails again, we're happy to see it drain the resources of those states that believe it acceptable to kill.

This cost Kashida literally nothing to fight in fact after the first day we just kept an eye on the voting.Also how petty lose with dignity.


Ooc: ironic considering how many Against voters wouldn't have complied.

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Postby Sefy the Great » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:21 pm

Linux and the X wrote:We hope this will be resubmitted. Even if it fails again, we're happy to see it drain the resources of those states that believe it acceptable to kill.

it's actually easier on the state to kill a criminal then let them live and hoover up the taxpayer's money (or human souls or Sanity or whatever).
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:27 pm

Sefy the Great wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:We hope this will be resubmitted. Even if it fails again, we're happy to see it drain the resources of those states that believe it acceptable to kill.

it's actually easier on the state to kill a criminal then let them live and hoover up the taxpayer's money (or human souls or Sanity or whatever).

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Postby West Phoenicia » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:35 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Sefy the Great wrote:it's actually easier on the state to kill a criminal then let them live and hoover up the taxpayer's money (or human souls or Sanity or whatever).

"Ambassador, human rights are not about what is easy, but what is right."


But dear Ambassador it is not your right alone to dictate what is right and wrong. Just because you may feel your view on capital punishment is right and justified doesnt make it so.

Its a grey issue not a black and white issue. Same goes for abortion, euthanasia and sending men and women to war knowing they could be killed. You will never get 100% agreement to think so is selfish.

Your rights may lie with the accused or the woman wanting to abort or the person dying a painful death, other people feel the rights of the victim have been trampled on and justice needs to be served or they think of the life growing in the womb or the fact that doctors have given false diagnosis and healthy people have died or members of society feeling people with mental issues should also be euthanized.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:39 pm

West Phoenicia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Ambassador, human rights are not about what is easy, but what is right."


But dear Ambassador it is not your right alone to dictate what is right and wrong. Just because you may feel your view on capital punishment is right and justified doesnt make it so.

Its a grey issue not a black and white issue. Same goes for abortion, euthanasia and sending men and women to war knowing they could be killed. You will never get 100% agreement to think so is selfish.

Your rights may lie with the accused or the woman wanting to abort or the person dying a painful death, other people feel the rights of the victim have been trampled on and justice needs to be served or they think of the life growing in the womb or the fact that doctors have given false diagnosis and healthy people have died or members of society feeling people with mental issues should also be euthanized.


"Ambassador, what is right is also not a democratic question. Which is why we dont permit majorities to vote minorities into oppression. That people disagree means little."

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Postby West Phoenicia » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:47 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
West Phoenicia wrote:
But dear Ambassador it is not your right alone to dictate what is right and wrong. Just because you may feel your view on capital punishment is right and justified doesnt make it so.

Its a grey issue not a black and white issue. Same goes for abortion, euthanasia and sending men and women to war knowing they could be killed. You will never get 100% agreement to think so is selfish.

Your rights may lie with the accused or the woman wanting to abort or the person dying a painful death, other people feel the rights of the victim have been trampled on and justice needs to be served or they think of the life growing in the womb or the fact that doctors have given false diagnosis and healthy people have died or members of society feeling people with mental issues should also be euthanized.


"Ambassador, what is right is also not a democratic question. Which is why we dont permit majorities to vote minorities into oppression. That people disagree means little."


Ambassador, so are you suggesting your thought process and beliefs are right and those outside your thinking are incorrect in their thinking?

What is right to you, may in fact not be the case for what is actually right.


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Postby Xanthal » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:51 pm

I agree with the West Phoenician delegation. Right and wrong may not be a democratic question, but in the WA it has to be. Otherwise what kind of question can it be? Everybody thinks they're right; how are we to decide whose morality to follow if not by voting?
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