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Imperium Anglorum
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:17 pm

LOL, now the Pope supports this position. Maybe CD will flip around now?

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Crazybloxian Empire
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Postby Crazybloxian Empire » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:49 pm

I’m not letting this resolution pass, cuz I’ve got a lot of Renegalleans to torture!
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:52 pm

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:I’m not letting this resolution pass, cuz I’ve got a lot of Renegalleans to torture!
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The resolutions won't affect your (nonexistent) authority to torture people.
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The people who participated in China's denial of their role in this outbreak deserve the same scorn and derision of those who've helped past regimes deny their own atrocities.

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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:55 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:LOL, now the Pope supports this position. Maybe CD will flip around now?

OOC: Here's a sample of IC and OOC posts from the past seven and a half years:

Christian Democrats wrote:If you're going to try to condemn me, then at least get my ideology right. (Here on NS, I'm a Christian democrat; see my signature.) Reflect my pro-immigration and anti-death penalty stances.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats does not employ the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:The death penalty is not used in my country.
Christian Democrats wrote:In the Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats, there is no death penalty. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is the severest sentence that a criminal can receive.
Christian Democrats wrote:For this reason, the death penalty should be abolished as a criminal punishment. It is an archaic practice that has no place in the modern world.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats opposes all executions. Our government believes that the death penalty should be abolished in all countries.
Christian Democrats wrote:Every state should abolish capital punishment. I am glad to see that Maryland is doing this.
Christian Democrats wrote:I think the death penalty is constitutional even though I oppose it.
Christian Democrats wrote:No, I do not support the death penalty. Wrongdoers ought to have the chance to repent and be allowed the opportunity to attempt to reform themselves.
Christian Democrats wrote:Capital punishment does not exist in the Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats.
Christian Democrats wrote:I oppose capital punishment.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire has abolished the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:I believe each state should vote to abolish the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire has abolished capital punishment, Ambassador.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

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^ repealed resolution
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United Sacredotia
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Postby United Sacredotia » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:23 am

[OOC: "Now"? Francis vocally opposed capital punishment for a while now. Which makes him holier than st. Thomas, gg.]

Sacredotia disagrees with this proposition. There are crimes, for which only capital punishment is proportional: genocide, mass murder, violent rape.
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Imperium Anglorum
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:21 am

CD, my apologies on fundamentally misstating your position on the matter. My recollection of your statements vis-à-vis UM's C&P repeal was wrong.

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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:CD, my apologies on fundamentally misstating your position on the matter. My recollection of your statements vis-à-vis UM's C&P repeal was wrong.

I accept your apology.

It's an understandable error. I support C&P because I think it's a reasonable compromise on a divisive issue.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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New Min
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Postby New Min » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:59 am

"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:18 am

New Min wrote:"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.

"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."
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The people who participated in China's denial of their role in this outbreak deserve the same scorn and derision of those who've helped past regimes deny their own atrocities.

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Postby New Min » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:53 am

Aclion wrote:
New Min wrote:"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.

"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."

"Our sovereign nation exercises it's right to execute enemies of the state, like people stealing chewing gum" says the Ambassor, as the General-Secretary is busy visiting the executions museum.
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Podrovny
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Postby Podrovny » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:08 pm

New Min wrote:
Aclion wrote:"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."

"Our sovereign nation exercises it's right to execute enemies of the state, like people stealing chewing gum" says the Ambassor, as the General-Secretary is busy visiting the executions museum.

Zladny: "Never knew that murder was a right."
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New Min
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Postby New Min » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:31 am

Podrovny wrote:
New Min wrote:"Our sovereign nation exercises it's right to execute enemies of the state, like people stealing chewing gum" says the Ambassor, as the General-Secretary is busy visiting the executions museum.

Zladny: "Never knew that murder was a right."

"We don't call it murder, but fair punishment."
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Kenmoria
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:33 am

New Min wrote:
Podrovny wrote:Zladny: "Never knew that murder was a right."

"We don't call it murder, but fair punishment."

“I wouldn’t quite describe execution for stealing gum as a ‘fair’ punishment. Your current system of justice is the exact reason why this sort of proposal is neeeded, while some nations might use capital punishment responsibly, a blanket ban is the only way to stop loophole-abusers. This is the problem that was found in the resolution this is trying to replace.”
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New Min
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Postby New Min » Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:55 am

Kenmoria wrote:
New Min wrote:"We don't call it murder, but fair punishment."

“I wouldn’t quite describe execution for stealing gum as a ‘fair’ punishment. Your current system of justice is the exact reason why this sort of proposal is neeeded, while some nations might use capital punishment responsibly, a blanket ban is the only way to stop loophole-abusers. This is the problem that was found in the resolution this is trying to replace.”

"Mr Ambassador, you underestimate the severity of stealing chewing gum"
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Goverwal
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Postby Goverwal » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:03 am

The delegate for Goverwal is strongly opposed to this resolution, as it is the delegate's opinion that it is the only fail-safe method of dealing with severe threats to national secruity such as leaders of terrorist organisations or those convicted of treason.
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Podrovny
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Postby Podrovny » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:34 pm

New Min wrote:
Podrovny wrote:Zladny: "Never knew that murder was a right."

"We don't call it murder, but fair punishment."

"Call it whatever the hell you want. The death penalty is inhumane and unnecessary. It should be abolished worldwide."

Goverwal wrote:The delegate for Goverwal is strongly opposed to this resolution, as it is the delegate's opinion that it is the only fail-safe method of dealing with severe threats to national secruity such as leaders of terrorist organisations or those convicted of treason.

Sartova: "We should just execute all criminals, it’s fail-safe!"
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Alina Sartova, Assistant to the Esteemed Ambassador
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New Min
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Postby New Min » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:26 pm

Podrovny wrote:
New Min wrote:"We don't call it murder, but fair punishment."

"Call it whatever the hell you want. The death penalty is inhumane and unnecessary. It should be abolished worldwide."

"Ahem - was it inhumane when we took the live of a person who took 50 thousand lives, including 10 thousand children?"
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Massachusetts United
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Postby Massachusetts United » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:27 pm

I am considering making a quick couple words to restore clause 2 of C&P:

2. Forbids member nations from issuing criminal sentences disproportionate to the crime committed;

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Auze
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Postby Auze » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:12 pm

IC against, OC mixed.
I suggest changing "employing" to "using" to decrease this horribly high character count.
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Silverfalls
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Postby Silverfalls » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:46 pm

"This is a blatant abuse of powers, banning something that should be left to the judgement of individual nations! Capital Punishment should be left to the nations, NOT the WA."

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Cosmopolitan borovan
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:56 pm

Against

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Oppermenia
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Postby Oppermenia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Oppermenia is opposed to such a resolution. The death penalty keeps crime low, and thus Oppermenian citizens safe. Oppermenia needs the death penalty in order to ensure the safety of its citizens.
The criminals that attempt murder and rape lose the right to live the moment they threaten the life or sanctity thereof of another living individual.
We are a leftist nation. But we do understand the need for the death penalty.
And, Oppermenia's position aside, there are many WA nations that have the death penalty. Probably a lot. So, if this is outright banned, then what happens to them? Are they kicked from the WA? Is it repealed? Maybe if it were a small number of WA nations, but we're talking about probably a significant chunk of the WA, here.
If you want to ban it, then don't do it right away. Do it slowly over time, and give WA nations time to adjust to the new change.
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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:40 pm

Amended. Enjoy.

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Auze
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Postby Auze » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:33 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:Amended. Enjoy.

CHANGE IT BACK >:( . preserve the current for posterity, however
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Ramelia
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Postby Ramelia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:25 pm

"We are appalled by the unserious nature of what seems to be more than half of the proposal, which has significantly more place in a middle school's student government than the World Assembly, especially with relation to such an important issue as ridding the world of the abomination that is capital punishment.

"Were the bill to remove its utterly ridiculous portions related to length (which would make it much shorter), we would be in complete support. The one suggestion I have, out of fear that the proposal would fail otherwise, is that an exemption be created for crimes against humanity. While Ramelia unyieldingly opposes capital punishment in any cases whatsoever, I feel many national governments will not support the bill unless such a provision exists. If crimes against humanity need be defined and (unless my memory fails me and they are defined by an existing Resolution) they really ought be, so be it, the bill has already been lengthened to somewhat reasonable."

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