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United Massachusetts
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Postby United Massachusetts » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:42 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.


Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

Aw. Oh well, I'll put in a preamble.
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:44 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.

Aw. Oh well, I'll put in a preamble.


I share your disappointment, but there are certain customs to which we must adhere to ensure legitimacy in the eyes of voters.

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Imperium Anglorum
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Jul 29, 2018 4:54 am

Lampshade it, put a clause in saying that justifying the choice of a short length.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:10 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lampshade it, put a clause in saying that justifying the choice of a short length.

"Believing this could have been done in a shorter form, but bowing to the will of the unwashed masses"
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Postby Liberimery » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:31 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Why do resolutions have to be long? I laid out my reasoning (basically the preamble) in the repeal.


Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.



OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

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Lord Dominator
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:50 pm

Liberimery wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:
Ooc: short is good, to a point. You make it too short and people will think the length is a product of ineptitude rather than by design. The illusion of legal jargon does the same thing. Comes now the party of the first part, heretofore the petitioner, by and through their attorney...blegh.

To avoid this, I suggest a standard form preamble with more than one line and a single operative clause.



OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.
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Aclion
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Postby Aclion » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:14 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Liberimery wrote:

OOC: As one of my teachers who was fond of crass humor would say, writing anything is like a girl's skirt: It should be long enough to cover everything but short enough to keep it interesting.

OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.

But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:23 pm

Aclion wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:OOC: Do note that 'interesting' (meaning how engaging the proposal is) isn't exactly a requirement for writing proposals/resolutions.

But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.

A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.
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Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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Postby Bruke » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:24 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Aclion wrote:But it helps.

Anyway, I don't think anyone will think that UM's brevity is a product of ineptitude.

A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.


He must be stopped.

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Postby United Massachusetts » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:26 pm

Bruke wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:A product of the secret Catholic agenda. UM doesn't want to present his reasoning because it will show his true motives.


He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.
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Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

WA Affairs Minister, The East Pacific
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

Fmr. President, Right to Life
Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
"Stat crux dum volvitur orbis"
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Postby Bruke » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:42 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Bruke wrote:
He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.


We will stop him by enacting ultra-luxurious capitalist anarcho-communism.

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Antlionia
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Postby Antlionia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:42 pm

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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:43 pm

Bruke wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.


We will stop him by enacting ultra-luxurious capitalist anarcho-communism.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:38 am

United Massachusetts wrote:
Bruke wrote:
He must be stopped.

First, it's the death penalty. Next, it's the global Inquisition.

No one expects it. His chief weapon is surprise.



His chief weapon is surprise, fear and surprise; two chief weapons, fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency! Er, among UM’s chief weapons are: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, and near fanatical devotion to the Pope!

Um, I'll come in again...”
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:17 pm

LOL, now the Pope supports this position. Maybe CD will flip around now?

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Postby Crazybloxian Empire » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:49 pm

I’m not letting this resolution pass, cuz I’ve got a lot of Renegalleans to torture!
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Postby Aclion » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:52 pm

Crazybloxian Empire wrote:I’m not letting this resolution pass, cuz I’ve got a lot of Renegalleans to torture!
We

The resolutions won't affect your (nonexistent) authority to torture people.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:55 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:LOL, now the Pope supports this position. Maybe CD will flip around now?

OOC: Here's a sample of IC and OOC posts from the past seven and a half years:

Christian Democrats wrote:If you're going to try to condemn me, then at least get my ideology right. (Here on NS, I'm a Christian democrat; see my signature.) Reflect my pro-immigration and anti-death penalty stances.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats does not employ the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:The death penalty is not used in my country.
Christian Democrats wrote:In the Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats, there is no death penalty. Life imprisonment without the possibility of parole is the severest sentence that a criminal can receive.
Christian Democrats wrote:For this reason, the death penalty should be abolished as a criminal punishment. It is an archaic practice that has no place in the modern world.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats opposes all executions. Our government believes that the death penalty should be abolished in all countries.
Christian Democrats wrote:Every state should abolish capital punishment. I am glad to see that Maryland is doing this.
Christian Democrats wrote:I think the death penalty is constitutional even though I oppose it.
Christian Democrats wrote:No, I do not support the death penalty. Wrongdoers ought to have the chance to repent and be allowed the opportunity to attempt to reform themselves.
Christian Democrats wrote:Capital punishment does not exist in the Most Holy and Grand Empire of Christian Democrats.
Christian Democrats wrote:I oppose capital punishment.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire has abolished the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:I believe each state should vote to abolish the death penalty.
Christian Democrats wrote:The Most Holy and Grand Empire has abolished capital punishment, Ambassador.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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Postby United Sacredotia » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:23 am

[OOC: "Now"? Francis vocally opposed capital punishment for a while now. Which makes him holier than st. Thomas, gg.]

Sacredotia disagrees with this proposition. There are crimes, for which only capital punishment is proportional: genocide, mass murder, violent rape.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:21 am

CD, my apologies on fundamentally misstating your position on the matter. My recollection of your statements vis-à-vis UM's C&P repeal was wrong.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:38 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:CD, my apologies on fundamentally misstating your position on the matter. My recollection of your statements vis-à-vis UM's C&P repeal was wrong.

I accept your apology.

It's an understandable error. I support C&P because I think it's a reasonable compromise on a divisive issue.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby New Min » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:59 am

"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.
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Postby Aclion » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:18 am

New Min wrote:"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.

"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."
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Postby New Min » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:53 am

Aclion wrote:
New Min wrote:"And how are we supposed to silence the opposition then?" asks General-Secretary, President, Premier Frits whilst ordering the 5th execution of the day.

"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."

"Our sovereign nation exercises it's right to execute enemies of the state, like people stealing chewing gum" says the Ambassor, as the General-Secretary is busy visiting the executions museum.
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Postby Podrovny » Sat Aug 04, 2018 4:08 pm

New Min wrote:
Aclion wrote:"You're not. And don't get too attached to those executions either."

"Our sovereign nation exercises it's right to execute enemies of the state, like people stealing chewing gum" says the Ambassor, as the General-Secretary is busy visiting the executions museum.

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