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United Free States of America wrote:

United Massachusetts wrote:Such as?

We will note that our resolution is shorter than your argument.

The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

"That's a nice threat, but frankly none of us care."

The WA's attempt at getting rid of criminal punishment is completely and utterly absurd. A nation is able to punish criminality however it sees fit, without the interference from an intolerable, usurping authority.

The people of a nation choose to punish criminals according to their culture and way of life. The WA has become a corrupt, unrepresentative authority that will eventually be stopped with force if necessary.

I would advise everyone with common sense to vote AGAINST this preposterous proposal.

The people of The Federal Republic of The Union of American Territories are outraged by this! If this resolution is passed, it will show that this bloated, globalist band of privileged bureaucrats that don't understand what a sovereign nation is! We shall not be bullied by you or anyone else! End with this attack on our sovereignty, or you will make an enemy out of us!

"This is a step too far on how countries should dictate criminal punishment. Capital punishment will continue in Outer Lake, but it will still depend on the severity of those crimes. Heinous crimes such as murder, rape, etc., will be dealt with capital punishment. If one decides that it's perfectly fine to take a life, their life shall be taken as well."

"As before, the Ramelic delegation gives complete support. Capital punishment is an inhumane, murderous way of dealing with criminal acts. This is quite enough for us to support, not even considering its at best unproven deterrent ability. The worst criminals should not get the last laugh as the nation becomes the murderer. It is upsetting that so many states would maintain noncompliance with such an important Resolution, should this be passed, and we urge an affirmative vote for other states."

"I would argue that capital punishment lies in the same vein as those other forms of punishment, archaic remnants of the past that many cling to because they have a sense of entitlement." The archbishop says while checking her nails. "No nation or person should have power over life and death, particularly seeing as we do have dictatorship and corrupt governments among our ranks. These particularly should not be permitted to enforce capital punishment, but an all out ban is better."

"Your grace, you do remember that only member states of the World Assembly are beholden to it's strictures yes?" Asks one of the hand, a young male (perhaps in his late teens or early twenties) with fiery red hair asks the ambassador.

"Yes I am aware" She responds, almost dismissively, before looking up. "If the resolution is passed, those who don't like it should just leave the Assembly. Nothing is forcing you to stay. If you value your national sovereignty so much, why are you part of an organisation that openly limits that sovereignty?"

Eduard gives a thumb's up to the proposal's author. "Nicely done," he says, before returning to his bowl of porridge.

The ambassador returns after his "vacation" to see a full bloodbath on the GA grounds. "God knows where this is gonna go, but it's gonna be fun to watch." He listens in on some of the arguments being made. "Now, I don't recall this proposal ever being about national sovereignty or whatnot, proposals you don't like will inevitably come to vote, that's the trade off of this place. Give a better argument for once."

Lord Dominator wrote:

United Free States of America wrote:
The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

"That's a nice threat, but frankly none of us care."

“If that is so, then why do your group sanction him? This only shows hypocrisy. And I can already predict the “But WA!” counter argument, don’t, It’ll make you look like a fool.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Hessere wrote:The ambassador returns after his "vacation" to see a full bloodbath on the GA grounds. "God knows where this is gonna go, but it's gonna be fun to watch." He listens in on some of the arguments being made. "Now, I don't recall this proposal ever being about national sovereignty or whatnot, proposals you don't like will inevitably come to vote, that's the trade off of this place. Give a better argument for once."

“I suppose a world government with full power is being implied? And besides, some dude will inevitably just do a repeal and we’ll vote for and it’ll go over and over again.”

Ruskland-Preuben wrote:

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Compliance is mandatory. Your claims are false. Try again.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:

Ruskland-Preuben wrote:“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Compliance is mandatory. Your claims are false. Try again.

“There’s a leave button, this point is moot, I don’t need to try again. Even then, the Cycle will probably pop up again. Controversial thing gets voted into relevance, people get butthurt, and then it gets successfully repealed, then it pops up again.”

Ruskland-Preuben wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:"That's a nice threat, but frankly none of us care."

“If that is so, then why do your group sanction him? This only shows hypocrisy. And I can already predict the “But WA!” counter argument, don’t, It’ll make you look like a fool.

"My group my not-so-dear ambassador? I have no group, nor do I know what sanctioning you speak of. I merely am kicking my feet back, and laughing at all the people speaking up as if any of us here care, or as if their opinions matter."

*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

As I previously said, I am against this proposal as nations should be allowed to have capital punishment, but I am utterly disgusted by the threats thrown out by some of the other ambassadors that it almost makes me want to vote FOR this proposal.

Sefy the Great wrote:*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

"I'm sorry ambassador, but are you suggesting war on the WA for enforcing its laws that you agreed to abide by by joining?"

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

"An invasion will be met with a nuclear strike. Don't try it!"

-Ambassador Booker O'Brian

Lord Dominator wrote:

Sefy the Great wrote:*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

"I'm sorry ambassador, but are you suggesting war on the WA for enforcing its laws that you agreed to abide by by joining?"

"of course not, Ambassador! i am merely suggesting that some of the rules are... unjust. worthless. only agreeable if you are within the pits of insanity. like this one. like ritual sacrifice. they are merely words on a sheet of paper, and paper can be burned. paper can never reach the eyes and ears of The Greatian Commonwealth. denial of information is what we're best at."

Sefy the Great wrote:*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

"Dear ambassador, if you do not intend to follow it's laws then I must ask why you continue to cleave to this assembly. There is apparently nothing you can contribute, seeing as you have just stated that you do not and will not comply. In fact, as far as I am concerned, you are not worth the time of any nation in World Assembly whether they be for or against this proposal. If you do not wish to follow the laws of the Assembly, attempt to repeal them or kindly leave. Also if you are hiding these laws from your people then you are in contravention of at least one law, with the recently passed legislation it becomes two. Please do clean up your act. "

Arasi Luvasa wrote:

Sefy the Great wrote:*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

"Dear ambassador, if you do not intend to follow it's laws then I must ask why you continue to cleave to this assembly. There is apparently nothing you can contribute, seeing as you have just stated that you do not and will not comply. In fact, as far as I am concerned, you are not worth the time of any nation in World Assembly whether they be for or against this proposal. If you do not wish to follow the laws of the Assembly, attempt to repeal them or kindly leave. Also if you are hiding these laws from your people then you are in contravention of at least one law, with the recently passed legislation it becomes two. Please do clean up your act. "

*the ambassador takes an important document, and throws it into the fireplace within the room*
"we stay only to watch, listen, complain. what are they going to do? imply a sanction? write an angry letter? enough good reasons to comply, and we'll consider. but only consider. more likely those reasons will be confiscated by the Ministries before it even reaches authority."

Ruskland-Preuben wrote:“There’s a leave button, this point is moot, I don’t need to try again. Even then, the Cycle will probably pop up again. Controversial thing gets voted into relevance, people get butthurt, and then it gets successfully repealed, then it pops up again.”

I don't know why you're responding to my OOC posts in an IC manner. But you should read the FAQ, which says

The World Assembly is the world's governing body. It's your chance to mold the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will be affected by any resolutions that pass. (Unfortunately you can't obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest.)

Saying that you're not compliant is godmodding. And I am unclear why your Ambassador would have such wrongheaded ideas about how your country works. Because it does follow WA laws and is fully compliant.

The World Assembly has no right to pass a law this large and game-changing to certain countries. Support the countries individual rights and reject this resolution.

Rock Boom Boom wrote:The World Assembly has no right to pass a law this large and game-changing to certain countries. Support the countries individual rights and reject this resolution.

The World Assembly has plenary authority. It has the right to pass whatever it wants. The question is what a majority of voters will stomach.

Rock Boom Boom wrote:The World Assembly has no right to pass a law this large and game-changing to certain countries. Support the countries individual rights and reject this resolution.

"The World Assembly Order has plenty of right to pass whatever the heck it wants, as indicated by this being at vote and winning. Educate yourself ambassador and come back. Or preferably don't."

Lord Dominator wrote:

Sefy the Great wrote:*laughter*
Banned The Rope? the Pill? the Water? the Chains? The Noose? the Volcano? The Cliff? against on all accords. Death is but a show, and one will watch as they please. even if it gets through, there is no way The Greatian Commonwealth will EVER ban Capital Punishment. no way we'll ban Ritual Sacrifice, either. just try and stop us, you'll be permanently dead before morning.

"I'm sorry ambassador, but are you suggesting war on the WA for enforcing its laws that you agreed to abide by by joining?"

You can try and enforce these laws. But many of you are cowards. We will never abide by such laws. Any nation whom is in opposition may ally and prepare. Because the weak Assembly only supports democracy and cowardice with its abuses of power.

Capital punishment is an issue that should be decided upon by individual member nations, as this resolution would affect a vast portion of the WA nations.
I understand you may have moral issues with this, but campaign nation to nation, don’t ban it in all of them. This would undermine the sovereignty of WA nations and would turn the WA, something that was supposed to promote world unity, into something that just divides it.