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Elwher
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:03 pm

Draos wrote:well it is only legal in Draos if it is Lethal Injection as that is the quickest and most humane method that is commonly accepted (as in terms of the method )


The guillotine is quick, nearly foolproof, and reusable.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:06 pm

Elwher wrote:
Draos wrote:well it is only legal in Draos if it is Lethal Injection as that is the quickest and most humane method that is commonly accepted (as in terms of the method )


The guillotine is quick, nearly foolproof, and reusable.

Eight simultaneous shots from .223 rounds across the upper torso, head and neck regions are faster and more humane IMO
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:07 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Elwher wrote:
The guillotine is quick, nearly foolproof, and reusable.

Eight simultaneous shots from .223 rounds across the upper torso, head and neck regions are faster and more humane IMO


But you have to keep buying bullets. A sharpening stone and the blade is as good as new.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:08 pm

Elwher wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Eight simultaneous shots from .223 rounds across the upper torso, head and neck regions are faster and more humane IMO


But you have to keep buying bullets. A sharpening stone and the blade is as good as new.

Have you seen our military and weapons expenditure? We have a surplus of rounds.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:10 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Elwher wrote:
But you have to keep buying bullets. A sharpening stone and the blade is as good as new.

Have you seen our military and weapons expenditure? We have a surplus of rounds.


Also, we get by with only one man, where you need eight. Again, more economical.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:11 pm

Elwher wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Have you seen our military and weapons expenditure? We have a surplus of rounds.


Also, we get by with only one man, where you need eight. Again, more economical.

Why would a man be pulling the trigger? One dude pushes a switch and eight M16-style rifles fire simultaneously at pre-aimed locations on the inmate's body, lined up by laser markers. 14 percent of our GDP is the industry. We invest heavily in robotics.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Also, we get by with only one man, where you need eight. Again, more economical.

Why would a man be pulling the trigger?


Because cats don't have fingers? Who else?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:13 pm

Elwher wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Why would a man be pulling the trigger?


Because cats don't have fingers? Who else?

Read the edit.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:14 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Because cats don't have fingers? Who else?

Read the edit.


Sorry. I responded to what I saw.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:15 pm

Elwher wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Read the edit.


Sorry. I responded to what I saw.

No worries. I gtg. Goodnight!
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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:18 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Sorry. I responded to what I saw.

No worries. I gtg. Goodnight!


Goodnight to you as well.
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Postby Hamstan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:33 pm

"I, Oscar Hamer, representative of the Confederacy of Hamstan, here in the presence of these witnesses, do hereby state Hamstan's intentions to draft a repeal for GA #438, therefore rescinding GA #375 back into international law, believing that both the resolution at vote, as well as GA #438, violate national sovereignty. With the passing of GA #438, there are now no international laws governing capital punishment. This will not stand. Should this resolution fail, the assembly should do what is just and strike down GA #438 as well."
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Postby Xanthal » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:36 pm

Hamstan wrote:"I, Oscar Hamer, representative of the Confederacy of Hamstan, here in the presence of these witnesses, do hereby state Hamstan's intentions to draft a repeal for GA #438, therefore rescinding GA #375 back into international law, believing that both the resolution at vote, as well as GA #438, violate national sovereignty. With the passing of GA #438, there are now no international laws governing capital punishment. This will not stand. Should this resolution fail, the assembly should do what is just and strike down GA #438 as well."

OOC: Can't repeal repeals, though it might be funny if we could.
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Postby Eternal Lotharia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:40 pm

Xanthal wrote:
Hamstan wrote:"I, Oscar Hamer, representative of the Confederacy of Hamstan, here in the presence of these witnesses, do hereby state Hamstan's intentions to draft a repeal for GA #438, therefore rescinding GA #375 back into international law, believing that both the resolution at vote, as well as GA #438, violate national sovereignty. With the passing of GA #438, there are now no international laws governing capital punishment. This will not stand. Should this resolution fail, the assembly should do what is just and strike down GA #438 as well."

OOC: Can't repeal repeals, though it might be funny if we could.

OOC: "Repeal the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal of the repeal(X1000)...of the "Repeal all Repeals".
Hamstan wrote:"I, Oscar Hamer, representative of the Confederacy of Hamstan, here in the presence of these witnesses, do hereby state Hamstan's intentions to draft a repeal for GA #438, therefore rescinding GA #375 back into international law, believing that both the resolution at vote, as well as GA #438, violate national sovereignty. With the passing of GA #438, there are now no international laws governing capital punishment. This will not stand. Should this resolution fail, the assembly should do what is just and strike down GA #438 as well."

OOC: I actually intend to repeal one of those.
I could author it, you could co-author.
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Postby Hamstan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:44 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I could author it, you could co-author.

OOC: first off, dang it, didn't know we could't repeal repeals. Second off, yeah, we need to get something like that resi back, because if this fails (and it looks like it will) we need a law on the issue of capital punishment regardless. I will gladly co-author
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Postby Inquisitiors » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:01 pm

There are several different ways a representative or diplomatic attaché from a foreign nature can argue this proposal. For and against arguments are strong, which is probably why the votes tend to be closer than usual. I do believe that a question this proposal raises is important and existential to the very nature of the World Assembly

Question: Does an all encompassing proposal regulating and ultimately banning the use of capital punishment in every nation violate the independence and sovereignty of the nations apart of the WA?

I believe that this is a nations rights v. World Assembly governing body rights issue and I do believe it is dangerous to allow a possible slim majority to govern the other 48 percent or so that may ultimately decide against this proposal. I will be voting no, but not necessarily because of the moralistic or emotional arguments presented today, but because this is too broad of a proposal that leaves no room for nation choice.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:32 pm

West Phoenicia wrote:"Humane?" Ambassador Baroness Margarita Too-Rak exhales.

"I find myself shaking my head at those nations who are voting yes for the ban and uttering the word humane. The victims become meaningless in many of their eyes as they choose to sympathize with the criminal and not the victim. How did it get to that point where we start worrying about the feelings of the convicted and demand if a nation enforces capital punishment it be done humanely?

Its capital punishment, not a day at the local amusement park nor is is prolonged torture. Its swift justice because they broke the law and committed a heinous act. And the right to capital punishment enforcement or banning it should be held in the hands of each nation.

A young child is brutally raped? But we should care more about the rapists feelings and to ensure his death by lethal injection, hanging, gulliotone is as painless as possible. World Assembly what about that victims pain that you now overlook?

A man who commits domestic violence on his wife and one day goes to far and beats his wife to death for the simple reason that dinner was not on the table when he got home from work. He beat her so bad her own parents could not recognize her at the morgue. World Assembly, what about the victims pain that you choose to ignore by voting yes to the ban and stripping sovereign nations of their right of law to punish the offender.

World Assembly, where is the justice for the 12 church members shot dead by militant lesbian atheist ( name withheld) whose bigotry and hate led her to shoot 12 innocent people than brag about it on social media.

World Assembly, don't strip away our rights to capital punishment!

Think of the victims right to justice!
Just like in the bombing of a gay night club in a rural area of West Phoenicia by a terrorist organization known as The Puritian Collective that murdered 25 gay people enjoying a night out at a nightclub, including in that was a young man who planned to marry his life partner the next day.
Or the bombing of a primary school that left 10 dead children or the bombing of the aged care facility, that killed 30 staff and residents. Some child wont get to see their nanna now. A husband of a nurse who worked there, wont get to see his wife's face again, nor will her children.
No thoughts seem to cross the minds of some liberal ambassadors who only care about the guilty party.
The deaths of these women and children and men of every colour, creed and race are entitled to justice. Their deaths were inhumane. Think about them for a change.

The list is endless. So people who talk of ensuring that the perpetrators of these crimes is snuffed out humanely, seem to only ever care about their rights and not of the poor victims who were taken away before their time. World Assembly ambassadors, some of you may not agree with capital punishment, that is fine, ban it in your own nation but don't strip away the rights of other nations who seek further justice for the victims.

"I sympathize with the victims. It is a tragedy to see if someone is brutally killed or raped. There is no sense to it. Someone who has caused much pain and grief to the victim shouldn't be in that person's life and deserves to be put away, although it is unlikely to be resolved easily. Capital punishment should not be seen as gratification nor revenge. And the state should not execute the criminal based on the idea of committing the act itself but if it does help the victim and if the person identified maliciously did it.

Do I believe that the capital punishment issue is likely not an international issue? Yes but examining what I think on it for my nation and for what is ultimately right, it is probably justified. If someone has done a great deal of pain, he needs to be put away. But I just don't think I can rely on the judges to be able to make the decision. A great crime is committed and you're looking at the death penalty. Let's say it is a mass shooting of a crowd in a concert at night where it happened right at a hotel and all he was thinking of was to waste away his anger. The evidence was given and he is found guilty. And what sentence do you give him? The public wants death. It isn't right to give it like that as if you're feeding the crowd what it wants, but I think there's a silent tragedy in condemning the person to death. If you imprison him to life, all the people can just hope and get back to their own lives. In another case where someone ends up raping multiple children without a conscience, and he is given the sentence, it is easier to give him the death penalty. Acting on this, this resolution should not pass but you are really relying on the justice system to be able to make the right decision and I am not comfortable to know what's right.

Naturally, a great government official who used to live in the ghettos expressed his thoughts trying to persuade me to vote for this resolution. He said how all the people in the neighborhood was influenced by gang violence and it was really terrible. However, one man Rudolph Torrez a prominent ranking gang member, was respected and liked by his son and the official happened to know the son's sister, dealt drugs and killed people. He was caught and found guilty. The son did not like what he did but he knew he was the father anyway. But when he was sentenced to death for the state was conservative, it really much impacted the gang and on the family. If he was just sent to prison, then the family could be able to still visit him, but it left a mark on it and that's why he wanted me to vote yes.

But I see how it is just too complicated. You end a convicted criminal's life to make it go away. Earlier I have said that I am for life for the person that the person should not be ended his life because I don't think the state should be involved in a judging that person's will to live even if it involved terrible things and that there is too much stakes involved with the potential mistakes and flaws of inequity of representation between demographics of people. But it might be better this way. There will be trauma and emotional grief and it's not necessarily what you want to go through but you will do it no matter what."

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Postby Dramancass » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:28 pm

The Empire of Dramancass appeals to all member nations of the World Assembly to reject this proposed ban on capital punishment. It is the hope of Emperor Jadus and the people of Dramancass that the member nations of the World Assembly shall see reason and recognize this resolution as a clear violation against national sovereignty, and an attempt by certain member nations to impose their personal convictions (religious or otherwise) on the World Assembly in its entirety. If this resolution is passed, the Empire of Dramancass shall withdrawal from the World Assembly in protest. Our Supreme Majesty, Emperor Jadus, petitions all member nations who value sovereignty and independence to follow suit should this resolution be passed.

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Postby Thyerata » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:02 am

Xanthal wrote:
Hamstan wrote:"I, Oscar Hamer, representative of the Confederacy of Hamstan, here in the presence of these witnesses, do hereby state Hamstan's intentions to draft a repeal for GA #438, therefore rescinding GA #375 back into international law, believing that both the resolution at vote, as well as GA #438, violate national sovereignty. With the passing of GA #438, there are now no international laws governing capital punishment. This will not stand. Should this resolution fail, the assembly should do what is just and strike down GA #438 as well."

OOC: Can't repeal repeals, though it might be funny if we could.


OOC: I thought you could. The thing that you can't do is repeal a resolution to revive the resolution it repealed - once something's repealed, it's gone.
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Postby The Palentine » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:34 am

Dramancass wrote:The Empire of Dramancass appeals to all member nations of the World Assembly to reject this proposed ban on capital punishment. It is the hope of Emperor Jadus and the people of Dramancass that the member nations of the World Assembly shall see reason and recognize this resolution as a clear violation against national sovereignty, and an attempt by certain member nations to impose their personal convictions (religious or otherwise) on the World Assembly in its entirety. If this resolution is passed, the Empire of Dramancass shall withdrawal from the World Assembly in protest. Our Supreme Majesty, Emperor Jadus, petitions all member nations who value sovereignty and independence to follow suit should this resolution be passed.

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Postby The Earth Systems Alliance » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:54 am

"Why is this still being debated?",sighs Ambassador Irons.
"The Capital Punishment is a necessity and those nations who dare call others who practice it "barbarians" they are mere pretenders whose criminals are still running lose and are afraid to arrest them cause "muh feelings"."says the Ambassador, ironically.
"Some lives need to be taken, because these people are irredeemable. They are traitors, rapists, murderers. One may wonder, when does this end. I answer them when there is no more crime, when people can live without fear and not lose their parents to some thug with a gun. I have read stories on other nations that don't have the Capital Punishment, and it sickens me that those people are ruled by indecision and cowardice. The Capital Punishment serves as a means of example. That if a citizen breaks the law by committing one of the aforementioned crimes, neither the state nor the honest tax payer will house them in a prison cell."
He cracks a little smile
"When Earth united under the Alliance, monarchs and corrupt officials tried to stop this. When they were revealed, the world uproared. The monarchs and the corrupt officials were presented before a court. Some said we should execute them, that their greed and lust cost the lives of millions. Instead, we put them to work. They built with their own hands roads, homes, bridges. And they begged for the Capital Punishment. They redeemed themselves, so we granted it to them. Now, the Alliance has come a long way from being a corrupt state. There were those of the royals who didn't work. They were killed, they served their purpose as messengers. They were criminals, traitors of the people and the Republic. And they were treated as such. They had become a threat, and they were dealt with. To those nations that support the Ban, I tell this: your will is weak, because it can't take a strong decision against criminals. But when a deviant, for example, rapes and kills your family, will you still be pro-ban?"
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Postby The Sect Meces » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:00 am

The Earth Systems Alliance wrote:"Why is this still being debated?",sighs Ambassador Irons.
"The Capital Punishment is a necessity and those nations who dare call others who practice it "barbarians" they are mere pretenders whose criminals are still running lose and are afraid to arrest them cause "muh feelings"."says the Ambassador, ironically.
"Some lives need to be taken, because these people are irredeemable. They are traitors, rapists, murderers. One may wonder, when does this end. I answer them when there is no more crime, when people can live without fear and not lose their parents to some thug with a gun. I have read stories on other nations that don't have the Capital Punishment, and it sickens me that those people are ruled by indecision and cowardice. The Capital Punishment serves as a means of example. That if a citizen breaks the law by committing one of the aforementioned crimes, neither the state nor the honest tax payer will house them in a prison cell."
He cracks a little smile
"When Earth united under the Alliance, monarchs and corrupt officials tried to stop this. When they were revealed, the world uproared. The monarchs and the corrupt officials were presented before a court. Some said we should execute them, that their greed and lust cost the lives of millions. Instead, we put them to work. They built with their own hands roads, homes, bridges. And they begged for the Capital Punishment. They redeemed themselves, so we granted it to them. Now, the Alliance has come a long way from being a corrupt state. There were those of the royals who didn't work. They were killed, they served their purpose as messengers. They were criminals, traitors of the people and the Republic. And they were treated as such. They had become a threat, and they were dealt with. To those nations that support the Ban, I tell this: your will is weak, because it can't take a strong decision against criminals. But when a deviant, for example, rapes and kills your family, will you still be pro-ban?"


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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:41 am

The Sect Meces wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:OOC: GAR#9 does. So does the Patient Rights Act.


OOC: Crap you're right.

OOC: in the future, assume I am presumptively right.

Thyerata wrote:
Xanthal wrote:OOC: Can't repeal repeals, though it might be funny if we could.


OOC: I thought you could. The thing that you can't do is repeal a resolution to revive the resolution it repealed - once something's repealed, it's gone.


Ooc: it's not just illegal, its mechanically impossible. Try to find the repeal button on a repeal.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:55 am

The Earth Systems Alliance wrote:"Why is this still being debated?",sighs Ambassador Irons.
"The Capital Punishment is a necessity and those nations who dare call others who practice it "barbarians" they are mere pretenders whose criminals are still running lose and are afraid to arrest them cause "muh feelings"."says the Ambassador, ironically.
"Some lives need to be taken, because these people are irredeemable. They are traitors, rapists, murderers. One may wonder, when does this end. I answer them when there is no more crime, when people can live without fear and not lose their parents to some thug with a gun. I have read stories on other nations that don't have the Capital Punishment, and it sickens me that those people are ruled by indecision and cowardice.


"I am sorry, but what criminals? Our criminals are all imprisoned unless you are insinuating that you have a very low bar before individuals are convicted. We simply realize that capital punishment does little to deter crime but also abhor the infringement of the most basic of human rights. We are not God and therefore we cannot know, without error, whether an individual is actually guilty. By your own words you have suggested you are more than happy to kill many innocents just to ensure that you kill off what you perceive to be the most heinous of crimes. Ad we have made no suggestion that we hesitate to arrest individuals, that is simply a fabrication on your part with so substantive foundation. Being unwilling to kill a man is very different from being unwilling to take him off the streets to rehabilitate him and protect other citizens." The archbishop says glaring at the ambassador. "Besides crime will almost certainly always exist, or at least until the end-of-days. Our unwillingness to execute however is not cowardice or indecision. We have chosen to value human rights and by that merit we cannot take another life as a punitive measure, this notably is different from killing an individual to save a life that is being directly threatened at that very second. We are not against the second of these situations, merely the first. Furthermore it sickens us that you are so bloodthirsty that you cannot see the value in protecting the innocent from execution. Regardless of the strength of your court system, there will undoubtedly be innocents who fall through the cracks and you show no regard for these lives or the people who were close to that innocent."
Ambassador Ariela Galadriel Maria Mirase
37 year old Arch-bishop of the Arasi Christian Church (also the youngest ever arch-bishop and fifth woman in the church hierarchy). An attractive but stern woman with a strict adherence to religious and moral ethical codes, also somewhat of an optimist. She was recently appointed to the position following the election of Adrian Midnight to the position of Patriarch.

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