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Anima Gentem
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Postby Anima Gentem » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:22 am

I left the WA solely because of issues like this. Of the larger body believing that it knows best for everybody. If I were to vote, I would be against. And here's why. In my glorious country, we don't even have need of a judicial system or jails. All wrongdoers are instead immediately sent into extensive rehab with the sole purpose of re-integrating them into society as high-functioning citizens. They are my own citizens after all, and this leader shouldn't want anything other than the success of his citizens.

However, it is noted that there are a small handful that just simply seem to be beyond the helping hand of rehabilitation. The worst vagrants and those who are intent on wreaking havoc rather than be a contributing citizen. Then what is the alternative for these citizens? Throw them in a cage for life, stripping them of their freedom and autonomy? That sure is a good way to spend a life that some of you give so much arbitrary value to. But no. In my nation, for these individuals who are beyond hope of introducing back into society, the solution is simply a quick and merciful death. It is a shame when it comes to this conclusion, but I view it as the more merciful alternative to letting offending citizens rot, hidden away in dark cells.

So, to re-confirm, if this nation held a seat within the WA, it would vote against this resolution. It is only because this is an issue of such importance that I came to make an argument to sway others to vote against this resolution.
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Bria Doc
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Postby Bria Doc » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:40 am

The Democratic Republic of Bria Doc opposes this proposal. The duty of the criminal justice system is, first and foremost, to ensure the safety of all citizens. There are those in society who, even when incarcerated, pose a danger to others, be it guards, fellow inmates, or innocent citizens should they somehow re-enter society. In such cases, it is the duty of the courts to institute a death penalty to ensure such dangers are eliminated. It is the position of this nation that this so-called "punishment" should be left up to the individual governments of the world should they deem it necessary as a means of protecting others from potential danger.

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Postby Blackledge » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:43 am

Looking how the total vote counts for previous resolutions peaked at 16-17k, I think this may be all she wrote for this proposal unless some vote switches occur.
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Postby Sacara » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:02 am

Blackledge wrote:Looking how the total vote counts for previous resolutions peaked at 16-17k, I think this may be all she wrote for this proposal unless some vote switches occur.
I'd say 18-19k for this proposal. There are still two days left, but I'd assume most have voted.
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Postby The Palentine » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:07 am

Absolutely against. This is nothing more than another attempt to let members of the Festering Snakepit to feel morally superior to others. Punishment must be cruel and unusual or else it is not punishment. The only benefit I can see about this piece of drek, is the possibility of perverting the intent of the legislation warms the cockles of my blackened soul. I love watching liberal legislation doing the exact opposite of the intent. My Empress is already making contingency plans should this pass. One is making capital murder a offence that is a mandatory life sentence of life with no parole, and hard labor. If the murdering bastard gets to live why should his or her life be made easy. The suggestion of pardoning the murderers, revoking their citizenship, and giving them a one way plane ticket to the nations authoring this travesty also seems like a fine idea, since they seem to love murderers and convicts in general.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:50 am

Anima Gentem wrote:I left the WA solely because of issues like this. Of the larger body believing that it knows best for everybody. If I were to vote, I would be against. And here's why. In my glorious country, we don't even have need of a judicial system or jails. All wrongdoers are instead immediately sent into extensive rehab with the sole purpose of re-integrating them into society as high-functioning citizens. They are my own citizens after all, and this leader shouldn't want anything other than the success of his citizens.

However, it is noted that there are a small handful that just simply seem to be beyond the helping hand of rehabilitation. The worst vagrants and those who are intent on wreaking havoc rather than be a contributing citizen. Then what is the alternative for these citizens? Throw them in a cage for life, stripping them of their freedom and autonomy? That sure is a good way to spend a life that some of you give so much arbitrary value to. But no. In my nation, for these individuals who are beyond hope of introducing back into society, the solution is simply a quick and merciful death. It is a shame when it comes to this conclusion, but I view it as the more merciful alternative to letting offending citizens rot, hidden away in dark cells.

So, to re-confirm, if this nation held a seat within the WA, it would vote against this resolution. It is only because this is an issue of such importance that I came to make an argument to sway others to vote against this resolution.

Mind that if any harsh punishment for life or death penalty there might be a minority in who might be rehabilitated. The majority are just not worth saving.

The delegation of the rejected realms has just voted against and the margin is at 1400. With the small delegates and individuals being against its increasing certain its against

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Postby Leifar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:41 am

The Rift World Assembly Council - General Assembly


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We, the delegates of The Rift, the city overseen by the Commons Governor, GARNET ROSE. With the representation of the leader of The Rift World Assembly Council's General Assembly, DEKHAN PERHEI. We of The Rift's General Assembly officially respond to the World Assembly's proposal of BAN ON CAPITAL PUNISHMENT with the vote of AGAINST. We see fit of the reasons listed below that we vote AGAINST this proposal.

As per the quote:

Having already presented its rationale in GA 438. (Line 1)


We see no reason why a previously chosen to be against proposal should be brought up once more. Especially after the result of a 74.7% approval, thus revoking and repealing the GA #375 Proposal. We do see that the proposal does prove to be substantial if approved, but once more:
It was already approved in a previous proposal.


As per the quote:

Asserting that justice is best served without the death penalty, for it is cruel, condemns certain innocent people to death, and rejects the affirmation that all sapient life is valuable by its very existence. (Line 5)


Some nations within the areas of the World Assembly may see that the punishment of Capital Punishment is given properly. Some have different laws, and as we see it, these people may not entirely use the system of Capital Punishment, and see it as a monstrosity to be removed. Just due to their own thoughts that Capital Punishment should be abolished, does not mean all nations must follow your exact ideal.


Finally, The Rift General Assembly, under current region of war, is currently being downtrodden with Prisoners of War. As such, those who wish for capital punishment should properly be given such. With or without a court process. It shall be their own decision if they wish for death or not. The High General, Commons Governor, nor The Rift World Assembly Council (General Assembly Council OR Security Council) will not be intertwined with the executions of these peoples.


As such, we provide you with these reasoning of the denial of this act, and hope that other nations within the World Assembly, more importantly, the General Assembly, respect these decisions.


Garnet Rose
Commons Governor of the Federation of Leifar

Dekhan Perhei
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Postby Thyerata » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:49 am

Having already presented its rationale in GA 4XX,


In the vigorous debate on the Proposal at hand, I had completely forgotten this. Is it a reference to a pre-existing resolution or...?
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:57 am

Thyerata wrote:
Having already presented its rationale in GA 4XX,


In the vigorous debate on the Proposal at hand, I had completely forgotten this. Is it a reference to a pre-existing resolution or...?

The submitted version refers to "GA 438", the repeal of Crime and Punishment. The author should update the OP to reflect this.

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Postby Goldgamia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:04 am

The president quotes

"This would be a terrible idea to impose an outright ban as first, if it is banned and nations are forced to become more friendly towards prisoners, people will start commiting crimes just to get in, also banning it would be comparable to banning the army bordering a totalitarian who wants your nation dead and will do anything for it to happen, we must not ban it, but we should not use awful ways of capital punishment such as beheading or electric chairs, lethal injections would be the best choice as well unless you are dealing with a war criminal or someone along that line. even if the WA does actually mostly vote for banning it, all members who really want to keep it such as myself should ignore and if anyone comes to check, hide all evidence (E.T.C. poisoned needles) and not act suspiciously. any questions or statements anyone wants to tell/ask me you are free to do so"
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Postby Prydania » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:14 am

Against.

We feel as if this resolution is a step too far in regards to the sensible limits of WA authority. The debate on the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of capital punishment is best left to national legislators and not the WA GA.
We are saddened that the authoring delegations managed to repeal Crime and Punishment, effectively repealing a fair compromise. Now, with the impending failure of this vote, we are left in the wilderness.

We hope this vote serves to teach a few lessons. That even the most esteemed members of this assembly cannot count on a rubber stamp from the GA. And nor should compromise legislation that serves its purposes well be hastily discarded.

The Palentine wrote:Absolutely against. This is nothing more than another attempt to let members of the Festering Snakepit to feel morally superior to others. Punishment must be cruel and unusual or else it is not punishment. The only benefit I can see about this piece of drek, is the possibility of perverting the intent of the legislation warms the cockles of my blackened soul. I love watching liberal legislation doing the exact opposite of the intent. My Empress is already making contingency plans should this pass.

It is truly unfortunate when one finds themselves on the same side of an issue as "diplomats" such as this.
Senator, your views constitute little more then agitation for the sake of it. It makes me wonder if you're even interested in serving as your nation and region's delegate in good faith, or if your nation only bothers to maintain WA membership to throw around insults like a petulant child who's angry they don't get their way.
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Postby Leifar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:22 am

Goldgamia wrote:The president quotes

"This would be a terrible idea to impose an outright ban as first, if it is banned and nations are forced to become more friendly towards prisoners, people will start commiting crimes just to get in, also banning it would be comparable to banning the army bordering a totalitarian who wants your nation dead and will do anything for it to happen, we must not ban it, but we should not use awful ways of capital punishment such as beheading or electric chairs, lethal injections would be the best choice as well unless you are dealing with a war criminal or someone along that line. even if the WA does actually mostly vote for banning it, all members who really want to keep it such as myself should ignore and if anyone comes to check, hide all evidence (E.T.C. poisoned needles) and not act suspiciously. any questions or statements anyone wants to tell/ask me you are free to do so"


And such the reason for our vote against it. Here at The Rift, we must focus on what civilians will do if we chose an action. And we must do something if the World Assembly chooses the "bad action".

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Alenburg
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Postby Alenburg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:07 pm

Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:17 pm

Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"

"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"

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Postby Stoskavanya » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:19 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"

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Postby Alenburg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:22 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"

"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"

Cause my country as any others deserves international representation

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Postby The Palentine » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:24 pm

Prydania wrote:Against.

We feel as if this resolution is a step too far in regards to the sensible limits of WA authority. The debate on the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of capital punishment is best left to national legislators and not the WA GA.
We are saddened that the authoring delegations managed to repeal Crime and Punishment, effectively repealing a fair compromise. Now, with the impending failure of this vote, we are left in the wilderness.

We hope this vote serves to teach a few lessons. That even the most esteemed members of this assembly cannot count on a rubber stamp from the GA. And nor should compromise legislation that serves its purposes well be hastily discarded.

The Palentine wrote:Absolutely against. This is nothing more than another attempt to let members of the Festering Snakepit to feel morally superior to others. Punishment must be cruel and unusual or else it is not punishment. The only benefit I can see about this piece of drek, is the possibility of perverting the intent of the legislation warms the cockles of my blackened soul. I love watching liberal legislation doing the exact opposite of the intent. My Empress is already making contingency plans should this pass.

It is truly unfortunate when one finds themselves on the same side of an issue as "diplomats" such as this.
Senator, your views constitute little more then agitation for the sake of it. It makes me wonder if you're even interested in serving as your nation and region's delegate in good faith, or if your nation only bothers to maintain WA membership to throw around insults like a petulant child who's angry they don't get their way.


The phrase "Kiss my ass!" comes to mind, but that would be undiplomatic. I've been involved with the Festering Snakepit for pretty much 13 years, Spanky. I don't believe I need to justify my remaining a member to you or anybody else. As for throwing around insults, this is nothing in comparison to the Abortion Legality Convention debate, or the Gay Rights debate. So my advice to you would be to chill out and have a popsicle.
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Postby Inberdia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:42 pm

Alenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"

Cause my country as any others deserves international representation

If you want international representation in this organization, you will have to abide by the laws passed by it. If your nation truly values "our nation our border our rules", then leave the WA. I'm sure you can find international representation through something like, say, a region?

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Postby Grenartia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:43 pm

Alenburg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"

Cause my country as any others deserves international representation


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Postby Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:48 pm

We of Elwher feel that, as the imposition of capital punishment in no way affects international relations, this should be an internal decision for each nation to make upon consultation with its own citizenry. We find this resolution to be an unjustified attempt by the WA to interfere in the internal politics of member nations and therefore, with no statement on the morality or effectiveness of capital punishment, must vote against this power grab.
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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:50 pm

Elwher wrote:We of Elwher feel that, as the imposition of capital punishment in no way affects international relations, this should be an internal decision for each nation to make upon consultation with its own citizenry. We find this resolution to be an unjustified attempt by the WA to interfere in the internal politics of member nations and therefore, with no statement on the morality or effectiveness of capital punishment, must vote against this power grab.

It was addressed in the repeal resolution and imperium sent out telegram how it did not change the crime rate

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Postby The Sect Meces » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:12 pm

Has the division upon this topic really gone down to petty insults?

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For gods sake people.
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Postby Neo Centrosia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:21 pm

I mean, it is a VERY controversial issue and gameplay/roleplay restrictive for other players.
Of course some people are going to get overly heated. (Unnecessarily so...)

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