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by Anima Gentem » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:22 am
by Bria Doc » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:40 am
by Blackledge » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:43 am
by Sacara » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:02 am
I'd say 18-19k for this proposal. There are still two days left, but I'd assume most have voted.Blackledge wrote:Looking how the total vote counts for previous resolutions peaked at 16-17k, I think this may be all she wrote for this proposal unless some vote switches occur.
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by The Palentine » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:07 am
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:50 am
Anima Gentem wrote:I left the WA solely because of issues like this. Of the larger body believing that it knows best for everybody. If I were to vote, I would be against. And here's why. In my glorious country, we don't even have need of a judicial system or jails. All wrongdoers are instead immediately sent into extensive rehab with the sole purpose of re-integrating them into society as high-functioning citizens. They are my own citizens after all, and this leader shouldn't want anything other than the success of his citizens.
However, it is noted that there are a small handful that just simply seem to be beyond the helping hand of rehabilitation. The worst vagrants and those who are intent on wreaking havoc rather than be a contributing citizen. Then what is the alternative for these citizens? Throw them in a cage for life, stripping them of their freedom and autonomy? That sure is a good way to spend a life that some of you give so much arbitrary value to. But no. In my nation, for these individuals who are beyond hope of introducing back into society, the solution is simply a quick and merciful death. It is a shame when it comes to this conclusion, but I view it as the more merciful alternative to letting offending citizens rot, hidden away in dark cells.
So, to re-confirm, if this nation held a seat within the WA, it would vote against this resolution. It is only because this is an issue of such importance that I came to make an argument to sway others to vote against this resolution.
by Leifar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:41 am
As per the quote:Having already presented its rationale in GA 438. (Line 1)
We see no reason why a previously chosen to be against proposal should be brought up once more. Especially after the result of a 74.7% approval, thus revoking and repealing the GA #375 Proposal. We do see that the proposal does prove to be substantial if approved, but once more:
It was already approved in a previous proposal.
As per the quote:Asserting that justice is best served without the death penalty, for it is cruel, condemns certain innocent people to death, and rejects the affirmation that all sapient life is valuable by its very existence. (Line 5)
Some nations within the areas of the World Assembly may see that the punishment of Capital Punishment is given properly. Some have different laws, and as we see it, these people may not entirely use the system of Capital Punishment, and see it as a monstrosity to be removed. Just due to their own thoughts that Capital Punishment should be abolished, does not mean all nations must follow your exact ideal.
Finally, The Rift General Assembly, under current region of war, is currently being downtrodden with Prisoners of War. As such, those who wish for capital punishment should properly be given such. With or without a court process. It shall be their own decision if they wish for death or not. The High General, Commons Governor, nor The Rift World Assembly Council (General Assembly Council OR Security Council) will not be intertwined with the executions of these peoples.
by Thyerata » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:49 am
Having already presented its rationale in GA 4XX,
by Wrapper » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:57 am
Thyerata wrote:Having already presented its rationale in GA 4XX,
In the vigorous debate on the Proposal at hand, I had completely forgotten this. Is it a reference to a pre-existing resolution or...?
by Goldgamia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:04 am
by Prydania » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:14 am
The Palentine wrote:Absolutely against. This is nothing more than another attempt to let members of the Festering Snakepit to feel morally superior to others. Punishment must be cruel and unusual or else it is not punishment. The only benefit I can see about this piece of drek, is the possibility of perverting the intent of the legislation warms the cockles of my blackened soul. I love watching liberal legislation doing the exact opposite of the intent. My Empress is already making contingency plans should this pass.
by Leifar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 11:22 am
Goldgamia wrote:The president quotes
"This would be a terrible idea to impose an outright ban as first, if it is banned and nations are forced to become more friendly towards prisoners, people will start commiting crimes just to get in, also banning it would be comparable to banning the army bordering a totalitarian who wants your nation dead and will do anything for it to happen, we must not ban it, but we should not use awful ways of capital punishment such as beheading or electric chairs, lethal injections would be the best choice as well unless you are dealing with a war criminal or someone along that line. even if the WA does actually mostly vote for banning it, all members who really want to keep it such as myself should ignore and if anyone comes to check, hide all evidence (E.T.C. poisoned needles) and not act suspiciously. any questions or statements anyone wants to tell/ask me you are free to do so"
by Alenburg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:07 pm
by Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:17 pm
Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"
by Stoskavanya » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:19 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"
"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"
by Alenburg » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:22 pm
Separatist Peoples wrote:Alenburg wrote:Alenburg WA ambassador stands up and says:"Our nation,Our border, our rules Alenburg votes against this resolution no nation or organization could interfere with Alenburgian judicial system, if you want to violate the law you must know that this has serious consequences capital punishment for criminals is one of our policies and one of the reasons why Alenburg is the powerful nation that is today-sits down-"
"Then why are you part of a supranational organization?"
by The Palentine » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:24 pm
Prydania wrote:Against.
We feel as if this resolution is a step too far in regards to the sensible limits of WA authority. The debate on the effectiveness or ineffectiveness of capital punishment is best left to national legislators and not the WA GA.
We are saddened that the authoring delegations managed to repeal Crime and Punishment, effectively repealing a fair compromise. Now, with the impending failure of this vote, we are left in the wilderness.
We hope this vote serves to teach a few lessons. That even the most esteemed members of this assembly cannot count on a rubber stamp from the GA. And nor should compromise legislation that serves its purposes well be hastily discarded.The Palentine wrote:Absolutely against. This is nothing more than another attempt to let members of the Festering Snakepit to feel morally superior to others. Punishment must be cruel and unusual or else it is not punishment. The only benefit I can see about this piece of drek, is the possibility of perverting the intent of the legislation warms the cockles of my blackened soul. I love watching liberal legislation doing the exact opposite of the intent. My Empress is already making contingency plans should this pass.
It is truly unfortunate when one finds themselves on the same side of an issue as "diplomats" such as this.
Senator, your views constitute little more then agitation for the sake of it. It makes me wonder if you're even interested in serving as your nation and region's delegate in good faith, or if your nation only bothers to maintain WA membership to throw around insults like a petulant child who's angry they don't get their way.
by Arasi Luvasa » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:25 pm
by Inberdia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:42 pm
by Grenartia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:43 pm
by Elwher » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:48 pm
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:50 pm
Elwher wrote:We of Elwher feel that, as the imposition of capital punishment in no way affects international relations, this should be an internal decision for each nation to make upon consultation with its own citizenry. We find this resolution to be an unjustified attempt by the WA to interfere in the internal politics of member nations and therefore, with no statement on the morality or effectiveness of capital punishment, must vote against this power grab.
by The Sect Meces » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:12 pm
by Neo Centrosia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:21 pm
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