[DEFEATED] Ban on Capital Punishment

[Jocospor]

"Even when every moral and scientific standard states that the person can not be reintegrated into society without harming it?" Michel Nicole Demetrius interjected, folding his hands. "Even when the person stated might break out of prison even against the toughest guard and lay waste to cities in record time? Well if you agree so, I would like to exile one of the only people I sentenced to the death row into your nation. You will know what I mean."

"The fuck kind of security do you have, ambassador, that one death row criminal can lay waste to multiple cities? Exaggeration doesn't behoove you."

Ah the esteemed General Secretariat, articulate as ever.

[Sciongrad]

"The fuck kind of security do you have, ambassador, that one death row criminal can lay waste to multiple cities? Exaggeration doesn't behoove you."

Ah the esteemed General Secretariat, articulate as ever.

OOC: Jocospor's argument is most vulnerable to which one of the following objections?

(C) The argument rejects the truth of an opposing argument by attacking a personal trait of the speaker.

[Gospel Power]

*Slobodan Alexandrovich stands*

"We are strongly against this resolution, we must to keep order and Discpline, this Ban will not stop us,
Only the death penalty keeps law and order".

[Arasi Luvasa]

"Really, only the death penalty keeps law and order!? I believe you have more pressing issues then, and the death penalty may be fueling that problem."

[Sacara]

"Really, only the death penalty keeps law and order!? I believe you have more pressing issues then, and the death penalty may be fueling that problem."

This is not an issue that the World Assembly needs to act on. Rather than attacking member states that utilize capital punishment, the General Assembly should focus it's efforts on more important issues. The issue of capital punishment should be left up to each individual nation, not to be decided as a body on an international scale.

[Gospel Power]

"Really, only the death penalty keeps law and order!? I believe you have more pressing issues then, and the death penalty may be fueling that problem."

Well, you can not have the death penalty, but I need to have it, they will not force me or other nations to change it

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Duly noted I have voted for on the matter, but I believe the importance of the issue is overstated. If a legal system is fair it takes years for the death penalty to be applied if underfunded. If the legal system is based on speed but sty has fairness and funded well, would it matter

[New Tussia]

"Simple, this is enforcing a vast capital punishment ban on all sorts of states, Fascist ones, Communist Ones, Monarchies, Anarchies even...We cannot tolerate this and we very much appreciate the World Assembly but this is a step too far."

Yeah. Capital punishment is a violation of human rights.

So... if the Zodiac Killer was caught, he shouldn't be executed?

[Tarsonis]

Yeah. Capital punishment is a violation of human rights.

So... if the Zodiac Killer was caught, he shouldn't be executed?

That's the general idea.

[Ryanius]

I am dismayed at the fact that capital punishment is being supported. I would like to adress a few things about this vote:

1. The #1 thing I am concerned about is that capital punishment promotes punitive punishment. Instead of trying to rehabilitate prisoners, capital punishment tries to terrify people into not committing crimes under fear of death. While this is sucssesful sometimes, it also is evil and manipulative.

2. This is NOT a power grab by imperium anglorum. Why would anyone think that? Imperium anglorum is trying to destroy an evil law that should have never existed. In fact, I would say that by rejecting this law, the confederation of Corrupt Dictatorships is trying to keep their citizens under control by keeping capital punishment.

Thanks,
Ryanius

[Kenmoria]

"Really, only the death penalty keeps law and order!? I believe you have more pressing issues then, and the death penalty may be fueling that problem."

Well, you can not have the death penalty, but I need to have it, they will not force me or other nations to change it

(OOC: Yes, ‘they’ will. There exists the Administrative Compliance Act which imposes fines on nations that are not in compliance with extant GA resolutions. If those are not paid, these will progress to sanctions. Also, it’s considered poor roleplaying and irritating to noncomply with resolutions without at least considering the effects this would have on your nation.)

[Tinhampton]

Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

"An invasion will be met with a nuclear strike. Don't try it!"

-Ambassador Booker O'Brian

OOC: IA, as usual, was being sarcastic there...

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I am shocked to find out that on this moment, a majority is apparently in favour of capital punishment.

I would be OOCly in favour of this resolution - and even most of Tinhampton would be against on the grounds that they don't have the death penalty - but remain stoicly against ICly.

[Nova Trieste]

We are all human beings. We all have our flaws. We all make mistakes. The death penalty will not correct that.
Even more so, if someone is executed for a crime they didn't commit, the government has innocent blood on their hands (and should therefore be executed? Where will this end? With the last man standing?)

There are also innocents condemned to life sentences. Should we ban prisons as well?

[Jocospor]

Ah the esteemed General Secretariat, articulate as ever.

OOC: Jocospor's argument is most vulnerable to which one of the following objections?

(C) The argument rejects the truth of an opposing argument by attacking a personal trait of the speaker.

On the contrary, we couldn't care less about the argument

[Gospel Power]

Well, you can not have the death penalty, but I need to have it, they will not force me or other nations to change it

(OOC: Yes, ‘they’ will. There exists the Administrative Compliance Act which imposes fines on nations that are not in compliance with extant GA resolutions. If those are not paid, these will progress to sanctions. Also, it’s considered poor roleplaying and irritating to noncomply with resolutions without at least considering the effects this would have on your nation.)

Now I understand why many people and many leaders, like Menta Lee il, are not members in the WA, The WA is good place when it come to gain influence, but a bad place when it come to resolutions, like this one, it literally will force all the other 49% who are members and DON'T want to get rid of the death penalty policy to get rid off this policy, boy, it's funny, that's why I don't like democracy

"Democracy has nothing to do with the right choices. It has to do with the popular choices".
~ Bchara Karam

"Democracy is nothing more then a Mob rule, where fifty one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty nine".

~ Thomas Jefferson

[Blackledge]

Yeah. Capital punishment is a violation of human rights.

So... if the Zodiac Killer was caught, he shouldn't be executed?

You won't get far debating an opinion-based resolution with its author.

[Nunavutialand]

"The Free State of Nunavutialand strongly condemns this proposal as a violation of the sovereignty of states that approve the use of capital punishment thanks to its strong deterrent of criminals from performing heinous crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism and other crimes.
The Free State regulates the use of capital punishment to only those who cannot be rehabilitated. The Prison Service takes all measures to help convicted criminals serving their sentences to adapt to the real world. Consequently, in Nunavutialand, judges cannot hand out the death sentence on the first trial without approval from the Justice Minister. Only 4 people have been given the death sentence instantly in Nunavutialand since 1949, when the Capital Punishment Regulation Act was passed by the Raqui Vahut.
Furthermore, this proposal could be amended by regulating the use of capital punishment rather than banning it outright, in a way similar to Nunavutialand's laws.

Only then will it have the backing of Nunavutialand, and at this time, in this proposal's current idiotic state, we will not support it and have no plans to amend that stance."
-Zekut Latas, Nunavutian Delegate at the World Assembly


"Should this resolution pass, I will have no problem with replacing capital punishment with sending criminals - who would otherwise be sentenced to death - to the at-this-time disused former prison colony on the island of Bikida, where I trust that the elements of nature will adeptly replace our current laws regarding capital punishments. However, as Minister of Justice, it is my duty to uphold justice, and leaving convicts on abandoned islands is not appropriately repaying their debt to whomever they have caused harm to. I trust that the member states of the World Assembly will oppose this valiantly."
-Sita Belet, Minister of Justice

[Tarsonis]

"The Free State of Nunavutialand strongly condemns this proposal as a violation of the sovereignty of states that approve the use of capital punishment thanks to its strong deterrent of criminals from performing heinous crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism and other crimes.
The Free State regulates the use of capital punishment to only those who cannot be rehabilitated. The Prison Service takes all measures to help convicted criminals serving their sentences to adapt to the real world. Consequently, in Nunavutialand, judges cannot hand out the death sentence on the first trial without approval from the Justice Minister. Only 4 people have been given the death sentence instantly in Nunavutialand since 1949, when the Capital Punishment Regulation Act was passed by the Raqui Vahut.
Furthermore, this proposal could be amended by regulating the use of capital punishment rather than banning it outright, in a way similar to Nunavutialand's laws.

Only then will it have the backing of Nunavutialand, and at this time, in this proposal's current idiotic state, we will not support it and have no plans to amend that stance."
-Zekut Latas, Nunavutian Delegate at the World Assembly

Doesn't sound like much of a deterrent if you ask me.

[Deosdora]

"Human rights are something earned. Not given. To have human rights, you must first live as a human. Therefore there is nothing human in murder, rape, and other serious cases, thus rendering their human rights void and rendering them no different than animals. Rights were created to protect you on the account that you do not breach the basic human rights of others. We kill animals by the millions every day. Why not kill the true beasts in human skin for a better future. In line with this statement, The Holy Empire of Deosdora is sickened and does not agree on this proposition."

[Arcturus Novus]

"The Arcturan Federation is of the opinion that capital punishment does not bring justice, only more needless death. We shall vote in favor of this proposal."

[Tarsonis]

"Human rights are something earned. Not given. To have human rights, you must first live as a human. Therefore there is nothing human in murder, rape, and other serious cases, thus rendering their human rights void and rendering them no different than animals. Rights were created to protect you on the account that you do not breach the basic human rights of others. We kill animals by the millions every day. Why not kill the true beasts in human skin for a better future."

Sounds like you need a refresher on what a right is.

[Sacara]

"The Arcturan Federation is of the opinion that capital punishment does not bring justice, only more needless death. We shall vote in favor of this proposal."

"While I respect your passion on this issue, Ambassador, the World Assembly should not regulate this on a international scale. Many nations differ in belief from your own and it is unfair to force a set a foreign values on them. The issue of capital punishment should be left for each and every individual nation to decide - not for the World Assembly as a whole."

[Nunavutialand]

"The Free State of Nunavutialand strongly condemns this proposal as a violation of the sovereignty of states that approve the use of capital punishment thanks to its strong deterrent of criminals from performing heinous crimes such as murder, rape, terrorism and other crimes.
The Free State regulates the use of capital punishment to only those who cannot be rehabilitated. The Prison Service takes all measures to help convicted criminals serving their sentences to adapt to the real world. Consequently, in Nunavutialand, judges cannot hand out the death sentence on the first trial without approval from the Justice Minister. Only 4 people have been given the death sentence instantly in Nunavutialand since 1949, when the Capital Punishment Regulation Act was passed by the Raqui Vahut.
Furthermore, this proposal could be amended by regulating the use of capital punishment rather than banning it outright, in a way similar to Nunavutialand's laws.

Only then will it have the backing of Nunavutialand, and at this time, in this proposal's current idiotic state, we will not support it and have no plans to amend that stance."
-Zekut Latas, Nunavutian Delegate at the World Assembly

Doesn't sound like much of a deterrent if you ask me.

We would prefer to deter crime rather than deal with it after it occurs. Capital punishment is a quite robust deterrent in Nunavutialand.

[Deosdora]

"Human rights are something earned. Not given. To have human rights, you must first live as a human. Therefore there is nothing human in murder, rape, and other serious cases, thus rendering their human rights void and rendering them no different than animals. Rights were created to protect you on the account that you do not breach the basic human rights of others. We kill animals by the millions every day. Why not kill the true beasts in human skin for a better future."

Sounds like you need a refresher on what a right is.

"Then please, do pray tell, what are rights?"

[Nunavutialand]

"The Arcturan Federation is of the opinion that capital punishment does not bring justice, only more needless death. We shall vote in favor of this proposal."

"We advise you to rethink your position on the basis that laws regarding capital punishment are up to the state to decide rather than a supranational organisation such as the World Assembly. Your nation may be of the opinion that it is a barbaric punishment, and we respect your right to an opinion. However in Nunavutialand, sentiment is strongly in support of the death penalty and thus it is authorised.
Were a man to murder your own mother in front of you, would you not want that man to die?"