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by Doarhus » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:09 pm
by German Holy Roman Empire » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:12 pm
by Doarhus » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:13 pm
German Holy Roman Empire wrote:I’m still unsure about why this bill is needed. It’s my choice wether or not to execute a criminal and I refuse to have to cater to those who break the law.
by Doarhus » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:15 pm
Eternal Lotharia wrote:"It is ironic you say that for this but not for abortion."
by Ru- » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:15 pm
by German Holy Roman Empire » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:19 pm
Doarhus wrote:German Holy Roman Empire wrote:I’m still unsure about why this bill is needed. It’s my choice wether or not to execute a criminal and I refuse to have to cater to those who break the law.
This line of thinking is dangerously limited. It is essentially the same argument pushed by those who support slavery.
"It's my RIGHT to choose whether or not to allow slavery!"
No. Your rights do not extend over the rights of others, even those who have broken the law. Slaves have the right to liberty, and criminals have the right to life. Punishments must allow for rehabilitation, and capital punishment removes that completely.
by Jocospor » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:45 pm
by Cosmopolitan borovan » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:48 pm
by Jocospor » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:50 pm
Jocospor wrote:Now, here's an interesting thought:
What if a member nation condemned an individual to desertion on an inhospitable island for life?
As it stands, this ban on capital punishment cannot be enforced. Against, as are all sensible delegates and member nations.
by Neo-Routhengard » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:52 pm
by Neo Centrosia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:53 pm
by The Earth Systems Alliance » Sun Sep 09, 2018 10:55 pm
Jocospor wrote:Jocospor wrote:Now, here's an interesting thought:
What if a member nation condemned an individual to desertion on an inhospitable island for life?
As it stands, this ban on capital punishment cannot be enforced. Against, as are all sensible delegates and member nations.
Oh, another thought:
This resolution seeks to counteract the right of a nation state to govern freely. Theocracies may well believe that punishment by death is a just course of action, depending on their religious foundations.
by Minuda » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:01 pm
by Sacara » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:03 pm
Great to hear you voted nay!Minuda wrote:-snip-
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by New Bremerton » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:06 pm
by Jocospor » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:07 pm
The Earth Systems Alliance wrote:Jocospor wrote:Oh, another thought:
This resolution seeks to counteract the right of a nation state to govern freely. Theocracies may well believe that punishment by death is a just course of action, depending on their religious foundations.
That's the first time I agree with the CCD
by Sacara » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:09 pm
I would like to commend you on your support to this fight, and your thoughtful dispatch. You articulate your beliefs in a simple, easy to read manner that is rarely seen. Keep up the good work.New Bremerton wrote:IC: Once again, the Republic of New Bremerton would like to reiterate its strong opposition to attempts by the World Assembly to interfere in the inner workings of member states, least of all progressive, liberal democracies such as ourselves that have a high regard for the rights of our fellow human being, including the right of victims and their loved ones to see justice done for crimes committed. As IA themselves have stated, this resolution is perhaps the most divisive in the World Assembly's history. If passed, it will serve only to weaken the legitimacy of the international body and possibly lead to a mass exodus of up to half of all its member states, including New Bremerton. It will leave vulnerable regions at further risk of being invaded by bad actors, and condemnations of some of the worst human rights violators will carry far less weight.
This is nothing less than a tyranny of the majority. As another member state has stated, while the WA does indeed have the legal right to act as a world government, it ought not to do so, as it would go against the spirit of global unity and undermine respect for the rights of minorities, both member states at the international level and minorities residing within the borders of certain, unsavory member states and non-member states.
We are not talking about protecting the rights of pregnant women to have an abortion, or the rights of innocent children to be vaccinated against life-threatening illnesses. We are dealing with the worst of the worst that our species has to offer. Those who commit genocide and mass murder, particularly of defenseless children, simply deserve to die, deterrent or no deterrent. This is about justice above all else. The vast majority of New Bremertonians hold this view. If this resolution passes, we will humbly hold out in the hope that another member state introduces a repeal resolution, of which we would no doubt be voting in favor. If, even then, the WA cannot be saved, then New Bremerton, along with thousands of other member states, will resign our membership with immediate effect.
As yet another member state pointed out, WA delegates hold extensive sway in votes such as these. We urge all member states to contact their regional delegates to urge them to vote against this unprecedented attack on our freedoms and way of life.
For more details, please read our earlier dispatch dated Aug. 14, 2018 and written in response to the repeal of an earlier resolution paving the way for the current one now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1076344
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by German Holy Roman Empire » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:12 pm
by Neo-Routhengard » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:15 pm
New Bremerton wrote:OOC: I only just joined NationStates and the World Assembly very recently, and this happens. How am I supposed to condemn errant dictatorships and liberate oppressed regions now, not to mention endorse and be endorsed by other nations in my region?
IC: Once again, the Republic of New Bremerton would like to reiterate its strong opposition to attempts by the World Assembly to interfere in the inner workings of member states, least of all progressive, liberal democracies such as ourselves that have a high regard for the rights of our fellow human being, including the right of victims and their loved ones to see justice done for crimes committed. As IA themselves have stated, this resolution is perhaps the most divisive in the World Assembly's history. If passed, it will serve only to weaken the legitimacy of the international body and possibly lead to a mass exodus of up to half of all its member states, including New Bremerton. It will leave vulnerable regions at further risk of being invaded by bad actors, and condemnations of some of the worst human rights violators will carry far less weight.
This is nothing less than a tyranny of the majority. As another member state has stated, while the WA does indeed have the legal right to act as a world government, it ought not to do so, as it would go against the spirit of global unity and undermine respect for the rights of minorities, both member states at the international level and minorities residing within the borders of certain, unsavory member states and non-member states.
We are not talking about protecting the rights of pregnant women to have an abortion, or the rights of innocent children to be vaccinated against life-threatening illnesses. We are dealing with the worst of the worst that our species has to offer. Those who commit genocide and mass murder, particularly of defenseless children, simply deserve to die, deterrent or no deterrent. This is about justice above all else. The vast majority of New Bremertonians hold this view. If this resolution passes, we will humbly hold out in the hope that another member state introduces a repeal resolution, of which we would no doubt be voting in favor. If, even then, the WA cannot be saved, then New Bremerton, along with thousands of other member states, will resign our membership with immediate effect.
As yet another member state pointed out, WA delegates hold extensive sway in votes such as these. We urge all member states to contact their regional delegates to urge them to vote against this unprecedented attack on our freedoms and way of life.
For more details, please read our earlier dispatch dated Aug. 14, 2018 and written in response to the repeal of an earlier resolution paving the way for the current one now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1076344
by Minuda » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:21 pm
Neo-Routhengard wrote:New Bremerton wrote:OOC: I only just joined NationStates and the World Assembly very recently, and this happens. How am I supposed to condemn errant dictatorships and liberate oppressed regions now, not to mention endorse and be endorsed by other nations in my region?
IC: Once again, the Republic of New Bremerton would like to reiterate its strong opposition to attempts by the World Assembly to interfere in the inner workings of member states, least of all progressive, liberal democracies such as ourselves that have a high regard for the rights of our fellow human being, including the right of victims and their loved ones to see justice done for crimes committed. As IA themselves have stated, this resolution is perhaps the most divisive in the World Assembly's history. If passed, it will serve only to weaken the legitimacy of the international body and possibly lead to a mass exodus of up to half of all its member states, including New Bremerton. It will leave vulnerable regions at further risk of being invaded by bad actors, and condemnations of some of the worst human rights violators will carry far less weight.
This is nothing less than a tyranny of the majority. As another member state has stated, while the WA does indeed have the legal right to act as a world government, it ought not to do so, as it would go against the spirit of global unity and undermine respect for the rights of minorities, both member states at the international level and minorities residing within the borders of certain, unsavory member states and non-member states.
We are not talking about protecting the rights of pregnant women to have an abortion, or the rights of innocent children to be vaccinated against life-threatening illnesses. We are dealing with the worst of the worst that our species has to offer. Those who commit genocide and mass murder, particularly of defenseless children, simply deserve to die, deterrent or no deterrent. This is about justice above all else. The vast majority of New Bremertonians hold this view. If this resolution passes, we will humbly hold out in the hope that another member state introduces a repeal resolution, of which we would no doubt be voting in favor. If, even then, the WA cannot be saved, then New Bremerton, along with thousands of other member states, will resign our membership with immediate effect.
As yet another member state pointed out, WA delegates hold extensive sway in votes such as these. We urge all member states to contact their regional delegates to urge them to vote against this unprecedented attack on our freedoms and way of life.
For more details, please read our earlier dispatch dated Aug. 14, 2018 and written in response to the repeal of an earlier resolution paving the way for the current one now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1076344
That, I heartily agree of. And another thing, if this measure is passed, I will try to extradite a handful of my death row criminals in the nations who agreed for the proposal. They would see why King Michel II Nicole for all his leniency in dealing punishments decided to execute them. They are, like, Marvel villains in both their strength and atrocity.
by Lanion Mon » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:23 pm
by The Earth Systems Alliance » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:24 pm
by Kyoki Chudoku » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:27 pm
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