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Janlaand
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Founded: Sep 10, 2017
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Why I'm Against This

Postby Janlaand » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:39 am

This restricts the right of nations to do as they please. While I personally don't support the death penalty except in extreme circumstances, but this restricts the legal rights of member states.

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Basra
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Postby Basra » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:02 pm

Some people truly deserve to die. Psychopaths who kill people and have no remorse, because they have miswired brains, exist. They always will and cannot be fixed. If this passes and there is no repeal I will resign from the WA, this holier-than-thou resolution goes way too far.
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Nu Swabia
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Postby Nu Swabia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:24 pm

This is too severe a curtailment of the principle of sovereignty of the constituent states of the WA. The absolute use of force is the right of the state, and this includes corporeal punishment and executions for severe crimes and inhumanities. This principle has a long set of religious and ethical systems that say capital punishment is appropriate for certain deeds. And furthermore, to declaw the power of the state in this manner is to lessen its power in a myriad of secondary ways, including decreasing confidence in the citizenry and an increase of civil unrest. It is best to simply respect the cultural and legal practices of every state in the WA in regards to capital punishment as they stand now, but I am personally amendable to the discussion and passage of a code or set of guidelines for member states to follow regarding the humane and ethical conduct of capital punishment.

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Postby Oppermenia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:28 pm

What would happen if it were passed?
Would I get kicked from the WA? Would the capital punishment policy get cancelled? What would happen with that?
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:30 pm

Oppermenia wrote:What would happen if it were passed?
Would I get kicked from the WA? Would the capital punishment policy get cancelled? What would happen with that?

No and no. WA resolutions have no effect on issues and certainly cannot eject nations from the WA!
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Postby The Royal Empire of the Lemons » Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:37 pm

"The Royal Empire of the Lemons is against this resolution. We firmly believe it should be up to member states to decide for themselves whether or not to enforce capital punishment for outrageous crimes.
Whilst the peoples of Nation A may favor letting a convicted mass murderer rot in prison for the remainder of their lives, those of Nation B may favor a simple bullet or twenty."
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Postby Weisenbruck » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:06 pm

"The Principality of Weisenbruck opposes this resolution for it is against the interests of our great dictator"

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Inberdia
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Postby Inberdia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:08 pm

Yeah no. While we have banned the death penalty here in Inberdia, the mess that would come out of this would be massive, and most people dont wanna deal with that. Nations should be able to have a choice here.

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Postby The Union of American Territories » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:16 pm

The Federal Republic of The Union of American Territories voted against this resolution. Capital punishment relieves stress and reduces the number of resources used to keep prisoners alive. The idea that capital punishment is unjust or archaic clearly don't understand that certain crimes require certain punishments. A criminal, especially a rapist, deserves a swift death. A child murderer deserves death. A mass murderer deserves death. It is up to the individual nations to ban capital punishment in their respective lands and not the responsibility of the World Assembly to meddle in the matters of national law enforcement.
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Postby Nova Trieste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:27 pm

Gentlemen, how am I suppose to eradicate criminal scum without wasting the taxpayers' money? Let's not waste our pity for the well being of miserable lowlives burden of society.

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Postby Sethtekia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:32 pm

I disagree with the Ban on Capital punishment. What about heinous criminals? What are you going to do with them? Have them forever on the taxpayer dollar to keep them confined? Or to get rid of the problem? Banning Capital Punishment is like banning schools. Its necessary. In fact nations without Capital Punishment are just making monsters forever supported by people who hate them. Its basically asking a mother of a child to pay the state to keep the serial killer who raped and murdered their daughter to keep him fed. Capital Punishment should be swift. Moment they are sentenced to death. They should be given final rites and a chance to repent their sins. And then executed that day.
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Postby Sethtekia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:33 pm

Nova Trieste wrote:Gentlemen, how am I suppose to eradicate criminal scum without wasting the taxpayers' money? Let's not waste our pity for the well being of miserable lowlives burden of society.

Smart man.
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Postby Zone 4 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:42 pm

“We stand with our fellow delegates in opposition to this resolution,” speaks an ethereal voice, “Removing capital punishment is a blatant subversion of justice and will leave innocent civilians everywhere vulnerable to their worst adversaries, those which a mere jail cell can not contain...”

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Thy Clouds
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Postby Thy Clouds » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

Ridiculous proposal, the sovereignty of a nation is excessively important. A nation should be able to decide the best course of action to deal with criminals in a nation, citizens must abide by the laws of the sovereign nation.

Capital punishment is an important policy to have in order to encourage obedience and to make examples of traitors to the state. Citizens should not have to pay for the livelihood of criminals such as paedophiles, murderers and rapists when their taxes can be spent on providing for their health and well-being as well as defending the nation.

This proposal is an attack on all nations which practice the granting of the death penalty in order to keep society safe. The government of Thy Clouds and many likely will simply not give in to building prisons and jails, it's a waste of money to the tax payer when instead of flooding our nation, dismantling the environment with iron cells we can simply remove the criminals from existence, never to harm any innocent civilian again.

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Postby Nova Trieste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:54 pm

Sethtekia wrote:
Nova Trieste wrote:Gentlemen, how am I suppose to eradicate criminal scum without wasting the taxpayers' money? Let's not waste our pity for the well being of miserable lowlives burden of society.

Smart man.

What can I say good sir, great minds think alike.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:01 pm

“As this has now reached vote, the Kenmorian delegation announces its vote FOR this proposal, we view it as a necessary measure to prevent the inevitable execution of innocents and systematic injustice present with the death penalty. Though there are many nations won’t like this measure, perhaps claiming this interferes with their sovereignty, I recall that ‘Prevention of Torture’ had hundreds of nations voting against, under their supposed sovereignty to do whatever they liked to the convicted.

I also must remind all the delegations present in this chamber of the Administrative Compliance Act, which will impose strong fines on any noncompliant member state, with sanctions if those are not paid. There is simply no excuse for wilfully ignoring the statues of an international organisation that one has chosen to join.

I still preferred the shorter version though.”
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PaleoAmerica
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Postby PaleoAmerica » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:05 pm

"This is outrageous that the WA would try to outright ban a valid legal penalty. If you don't like the death penalty, then campaign to abolish it within your borders. Don't enforce your values onto us. I vote with the majority of the PaleoAmerican people, and they are against this resolution."

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Postby The Earth Systems Alliance » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:07 pm

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Theurgia
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Postby Theurgia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:17 pm

"This proposal is a flagrant violation of national sovereignty. Theurgia condemns this proposal as an attack on our cultural and religious heritage of public execution by fire. We will not stand idly by and allow other nations to infringe upon our religious freedoms and cultural traditions. The crime rate in Theurgia is exceptionally low thanks to the policy of Truth by Fire, and we will not allow this WA proposal to threaten the social cohesion and peace of our citizenry."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:17 pm

Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm

"I wonder, those claiming that the death penalty is a valid punishment, do you have the same opinion of torture? Some ancient societies certainly did. Perhaps you have the same opinion of amputation, which was also viewed as a valid punishment for crime historically. Exile was a less common alternative,though I am honestly surprised that I have not heard that topic breached yet."
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Postby United Free States of America » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:07 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:The Ambassador Yun Junmai stands up.

"We fiercely reject this resolution, and encourage everyone who rejects this to not stand for this if it is passed. We propose that if this is passed, action is taken to show we are not going to stand for this."

Such as?

We will note that our resolution is shorter than your argument.


The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:11 pm

The Freehold of Ephyra rejects this proposition outright. We do not and shall not bend to another nation's self-interested sense of justice.

The permanent removal of the most violent elements of society at no long-term cost to the state is an effective and desirable solution.

If passed, we shall consider it void, and reject all implementation of the bill in the Freehold.

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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:14 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:"I wonder, those claiming that the death penalty is a valid punishment, do you have the same opinion of torture? Some ancient societies certainly did. Perhaps you have the same opinion of amputation, which was also viewed as a valid punishment for crime historically. Exile was a less common alternative,though I am honestly surprised that I have not heard that topic breached yet."


Torture serves no effective purpose in the removal of societal threats. Capital punishment does. Torture is primarily an information extracting method, but is a taxing and inefficient means of execution.

Amputation does serve benefits with regards to certain crimes such as the removal of hands for theft or castration for rapists, but this does not prevent the capacity of crime, and for crimes not warranting death, incarceration and potential rehabilitation suffices.

Exile is in the modern day largely ineffective as those criminals that might be subject to it could not simply freely cross a border into a neighbouring state.

These methods do not stand on equivalent planes and the rationalisation of one is not indicative that the others must also be considered.

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Postby Sethtekia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:15 pm

Sethtekia's official statement on the matter is no matter the law. We will not bow nor adhere to this abhorant abuse of power. In fact if this passes. Sethtekia will commence mass executions of its prisons to spite the World Assembly. We dare any nation to come against as we will ensure mutual destruction. Capital punishment is the harshest form of punishment and we strongly stand upon the principles it allows. To better the world. The World Assembly must see this blantant abuse of its power. For this the blood will be on your hands. Our Great Nation has already commenced the arrests and executions of those for this within our borders. Regardless of their nationality.
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