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Sethtekia
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Postby Sethtekia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:33 pm

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Smart man.
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Zone 4
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Postby Zone 4 » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:42 pm

“We stand with our fellow delegates in opposition to this resolution,” speaks an ethereal voice, “Removing capital punishment is a blatant subversion of justice and will leave innocent civilians everywhere vulnerable to their worst adversaries, those which a mere jail cell can not contain...”

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Thy Clouds
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Postby Thy Clouds » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:50 pm

Ridiculous proposal, the sovereignty of a nation is excessively important. A nation should be able to decide the best course of action to deal with criminals in a nation, citizens must abide by the laws of the sovereign nation.

Capital punishment is an important policy to have in order to encourage obedience and to make examples of traitors to the state. Citizens should not have to pay for the livelihood of criminals such as paedophiles, murderers and rapists when their taxes can be spent on providing for their health and well-being as well as defending the nation.

This proposal is an attack on all nations which practice the granting of the death penalty in order to keep society safe. The government of Thy Clouds and many likely will simply not give in to building prisons and jails, it's a waste of money to the tax payer when instead of flooding our nation, dismantling the environment with iron cells we can simply remove the criminals from existence, never to harm any innocent civilian again.

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Postby Nova Trieste » Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:54 pm

Sethtekia wrote:
Nova Trieste wrote:Gentlemen, how am I suppose to eradicate criminal scum without wasting the taxpayers' money? Let's not waste our pity for the well being of miserable lowlives burden of society.

Smart man.

What can I say good sir, great minds think alike.

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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:01 pm

“As this has now reached vote, the Kenmorian delegation announces its vote FOR this proposal, we view it as a necessary measure to prevent the inevitable execution of innocents and systematic injustice present with the death penalty. Though there are many nations won’t like this measure, perhaps claiming this interferes with their sovereignty, I recall that ‘Prevention of Torture’ had hundreds of nations voting against, under their supposed sovereignty to do whatever they liked to the convicted.

I also must remind all the delegations present in this chamber of the Administrative Compliance Act, which will impose strong fines on any noncompliant member state, with sanctions if those are not paid. There is simply no excuse for wilfully ignoring the statues of an international organisation that one has chosen to join.

I still preferred the shorter version though.”
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Postby PaleoAmerica » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:05 pm

"This is outrageous that the WA would try to outright ban a valid legal penalty. If you don't like the death penalty, then campaign to abolish it within your borders. Don't enforce your values onto us. I vote with the majority of the PaleoAmerican people, and they are against this resolution."

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Postby The Earth Systems Alliance » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:07 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
The Earth Systems Alliance wrote:"The Alliance vetoes this resolution as it imposes the views regarding justice on other nations. We condemn it and were it to pass, it would be largely ignored."
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Postby Theurgia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:17 pm

"This proposal is a flagrant violation of national sovereignty. Theurgia condemns this proposal as an attack on our cultural and religious heritage of public execution by fire. We will not stand idly by and allow other nations to infringe upon our religious freedoms and cultural traditions. The crime rate in Theurgia is exceptionally low thanks to the policy of Truth by Fire, and we will not allow this WA proposal to threaten the social cohesion and peace of our citizenry."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:17 pm

Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:31 pm

"I wonder, those claiming that the death penalty is a valid punishment, do you have the same opinion of torture? Some ancient societies certainly did. Perhaps you have the same opinion of amputation, which was also viewed as a valid punishment for crime historically. Exile was a less common alternative,though I am honestly surprised that I have not heard that topic breached yet."
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Postby United Free States of America » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:07 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:The Ambassador Yun Junmai stands up.

"We fiercely reject this resolution, and encourage everyone who rejects this to not stand for this if it is passed. We propose that if this is passed, action is taken to show we are not going to stand for this."

Such as?

We will note that our resolution is shorter than your argument.


The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:11 pm

The Freehold of Ephyra rejects this proposition outright. We do not and shall not bend to another nation's self-interested sense of justice.

The permanent removal of the most violent elements of society at no long-term cost to the state is an effective and desirable solution.

If passed, we shall consider it void, and reject all implementation of the bill in the Freehold.
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:14 pm

Arasi Luvasa wrote:"I wonder, those claiming that the death penalty is a valid punishment, do you have the same opinion of torture? Some ancient societies certainly did. Perhaps you have the same opinion of amputation, which was also viewed as a valid punishment for crime historically. Exile was a less common alternative,though I am honestly surprised that I have not heard that topic breached yet."


Torture serves no effective purpose in the removal of societal threats. Capital punishment does. Torture is primarily an information extracting method, but is a taxing and inefficient means of execution.

Amputation does serve benefits with regards to certain crimes such as the removal of hands for theft or castration for rapists, but this does not prevent the capacity of crime, and for crimes not warranting death, incarceration and potential rehabilitation suffices.

Exile is in the modern day largely ineffective as those criminals that might be subject to it could not simply freely cross a border into a neighbouring state.

These methods do not stand on equivalent planes and the rationalisation of one is not indicative that the others must also be considered.
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Postby Sethtekia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:15 pm

Sethtekia's official statement on the matter is no matter the law. We will not bow nor adhere to this abhorant abuse of power. In fact if this passes. Sethtekia will commence mass executions of its prisons to spite the World Assembly. We dare any nation to come against as we will ensure mutual destruction. Capital punishment is the harshest form of punishment and we strongly stand upon the principles it allows. To better the world. The World Assembly must see this blantant abuse of its power. For this the blood will be on your hands. Our Great Nation has already commenced the arrests and executions of those for this within our borders. Regardless of their nationality.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:43 pm

United Free States of America wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Such as?

We will note that our resolution is shorter than your argument.


The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

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Postby Kustonia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:52 pm

The WA's attempt at getting rid of criminal punishment is completely and utterly absurd. A nation is able to punish criminality however it sees fit, without the interference from an intolerable, usurping authority.

The people of a nation choose to punish criminals according to their culture and way of life. The WA has become a corrupt, unrepresentative authority that will eventually be stopped with force if necessary.

I would advise everyone with common sense to vote AGAINST this preposterous proposal.
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Postby The Union of American Territories » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:55 pm

The people of The Federal Republic of The Union of American Territories are outraged by this! If this resolution is passed, it will show that this bloated, globalist band of privileged bureaucrats that don't understand what a sovereign nation is! We shall not be bullied by you or anyone else! End with this attack on our sovereignty, or you will make an enemy out of us!

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Outer Lake
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Postby Outer Lake » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:57 pm

"This is a step too far on how countries should dictate criminal punishment. Capital punishment will continue in Outer Lake, but it will still depend on the severity of those crimes. Heinous crimes such as murder, rape, etc., will be dealt with capital punishment. If one decides that it's perfectly fine to take a life, their life shall be taken as well."

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Postby Ramelia » Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:59 pm

"As before, the Ramelic delegation gives complete support. Capital punishment is an inhumane, murderous way of dealing with criminal acts. This is quite enough for us to support, not even considering its at best unproven deterrent ability. The worst criminals should not get the last laugh as the nation becomes the murderer. It is upsetting that so many states would maintain noncompliance with such an important Resolution, should this be passed, and we urge an affirmative vote for other states."

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Postby Arasi Luvasa » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:07 pm

"I would argue that capital punishment lies in the same vein as those other forms of punishment, archaic remnants of the past that many cling to because they have a sense of entitlement." The archbishop says while checking her nails. "No nation or person should have power over life and death, particularly seeing as we do have dictatorship and corrupt governments among our ranks. These particularly should not be permitted to enforce capital punishment, but an all out ban is better."

"Your grace, you do remember that only member states of the World Assembly are beholden to it's strictures yes?" Asks one of the hand, a young male (perhaps in his late teens or early twenties) with fiery red hair asks the ambassador.

"Yes I am aware" She responds, almost dismissively, before looking up. "If the resolution is passed, those who don't like it should just leave the Assembly. Nothing is forcing you to stay. If you value your national sovereignty so much, why are you part of an organisation that openly limits that sovereignty?"
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Postby Unibot III » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:10 pm

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Postby Hessere » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:28 pm

The ambassador returns after his "vacation" to see a full bloodbath on the GA grounds. "God knows where this is gonna go, but it's gonna be fun to watch." He listens in on some of the arguments being made. "Now, I don't recall this proposal ever being about national sovereignty or whatnot, proposals you don't like will inevitably come to vote, that's the trade off of this place. Give a better argument for once."
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Postby Ruskland-Preuben » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:53 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
United Free States of America wrote:
The United Free States of America Strongly rejects this resolution and if passed shall take swift military action against the World Assembly. I strongly suggest that you don't want a Kinetic bombardment on your Capital?

"That's a nice threat, but frankly none of us care."

“If that is so, then why do your group sanction him? This only shows hypocrisy. And I can already predict the “But WA!” counter argument, don’t, It’ll make you look like a fool.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Hessere wrote:The ambassador returns after his "vacation" to see a full bloodbath on the GA grounds. "God knows where this is gonna go, but it's gonna be fun to watch." He listens in on some of the arguments being made. "Now, I don't recall this proposal ever being about national sovereignty or whatnot, proposals you don't like will inevitably come to vote, that's the trade off of this place. Give a better argument for once."

“I suppose a world government with full power is being implied? And besides, some dude will inevitably just do a repeal and we’ll vote for and it’ll go over and over again.”
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Ruskland-Preuben wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Great. The fucking witch hunters have arrived. We should invade them all and civilise them.

“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Compliance is mandatory. Your claims are false. Try again.

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Postby Ruskland-Preuben » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:57 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Ruskland-Preuben wrote:“Look at that! First blood! Or should I say first threat? Either way, we vote NO, the only form of death penalty in our state is religious sacrifice, and that’s just being euthanized in an ornate chamber. Maybe we should try Aztec style...”

Compliance is mandatory. Your claims are false. Try again.

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