[DEFEATED] Ban on Capital Punishment

[Imperium Anglorum]

The GA's relationship with issues/stats is one based on cheating. The GA remains faithful, but issues/stats continue to cheat on the GA.

Oh, I like this interpretation more. Am I so out of touch? No! It's the Issues that are wrong!

[Kenmoria]

OOC: But capital punishment is an IG policy, is it not? Does this affect the game? Would nations with the capital punishment policy enabled be banned from the WA if this proposal were to become reality?

(OOC: No, nations with capital punishment will not become banned from the WA based on their policies. The WA is available for any nation to join regardless of stats. The only condition is the rule against having multiple nations in the WA. A ban on capital punishment would have no effect on the policy.)

[Stoskavanya]

Is there a reason this proposal includes clause three, acknowledging that we already have a resolution banning that practice, GA #197?

[Kenmoria]

Is there a reason this proposal includes clause three, acknowledging that we already have a resolution banning that practice, GA #197?

(OOC: That resolution only bans extrajudicial transfer where it would involve “denying or violating any of the political or civil rights that are guaranteed to that individual”, which capital punishment may not do in the eyes of some member states.)

[Stoskavanya]

Is there a reason this proposal includes clause three, acknowledging that we already have a resolution banning that practice, GA #197?

(OOC: That resolution only bans extrajudicial transfer where it would involve “denying or violating any of the political or civil rights that are guaranteed to that individual”, which capital punishment may not do in the eyes of some member states.)

But wouldn't the passing of the first two clauses make it such a political right?

[Linux and the X]

This is now at vote.

[The Earth Systems Alliance]

"The Alliance vetoes this resolution as it imposes the views regarding justice on other nations. We condemn it and were it to pass, it would be largely ignored."
~Ambassador Irons

[State of SouthCarolina]

This is a state issue not a G.A. one.

My vote is no.

[Justosia]

The Holy Kingdom of Justosia STRONGLY OPPOSES.

[Kenmoria]

"The Alliance vetoes this resolution as it imposes the views regarding justice on other nations. We condemn it and were it to pass, it would be largely ignored."
~Ambassador Irons

“Noncomplying with any extant GA resolution, once it is passed, will earn a nation a lot of fines, as per the Administrative Compliance Act. Failure to pay these will result in economic sanctions of high severity. So, do us all a favour and report back to your superiors the reasons for compliance. If you really don’t like a resolution, just repeal it or establish a WA puppet state, that’s what my nation did.”

-James Lewitt

[Justosia]

(Is there an actual vote? Link? Or are we voting here?)

[Alemputo]

I already am not a big fan of the World Assembly, mostly because of resolutions like these which get in the way of how I want to run my country. The World Assembly continues creating new resolutions which inhibit my freedom to govern how I wish, including but not limited to freedom of speech and religion which in real life I am not opposed to, but I thought the whole point of the game was to create a nation as I wished, and that if I wanted to deliberately oppress my people I could without the World Assembly telling me that I can’t. Capital punishment is a policy which is achieved through an issue, and so everyone who has that policy and is part of the World Assembly would not be able to have that policy without breaking these international laws. I could easily resign from the WA, but I would be defeating a purpose if the organization, a condemnation of attacking regions and a call to action for those being raided. I wish I could get out of half of the organization, but in order to condemn evil I also have to follow these stupid laws? This is an oppressive law and I hope the vote falls through.

[Happsborough]

Im not in WA however I will offer my opinion for anybody who may care:

Although I am opposed to capital punishment, I would say an outright ban preventing WA member states from enforcing capital punishment is too far and too excessive. If you want, create treaties/regions for that, not policies forcing it on member nations.

[Xvraks]

*Slams his fist into the table and stands*

This is an absolute insult to other nations that have SEEN results from the death penalty.
In Xvraks our crime is damned near nonexistent! Why? Because if you kill someone, WE WILL KILL YOU BACK.

*clears his throat and takes on a more gentle tone*

While I do see that some nations will in fact see the death penalty as barbaric or unnecessary, it is an issue that should be left to each individual nation to decide, not a mandate that all must follow for one person’s sense of justice.

As well as I, Xaphan Vraks, guarantee I will ensure in every way possible my country WILL NOT follow this mandate should it pass. I recommend it be withdrawn, and if not then I Implore you, even if you are against the death penalty, vote against this movement. For how would you feel if I came in and told you you MUST have the death penalty in your nation!? It is absurd and asinine!

[Frisbeeteria]

(Is there an actual vote? Link? Or are we voting here?)

https://www.nationstates.net/page=ga

[Cilef]

I already am not a big fan of the World Assembly, mostly because of resolutions like these which get in the way of how I want to run my country. The World Assembly continues creating new resolutions which inhibit my freedom to govern how I wish, including but not limited to freedom of speech and religion which in real life I am not opposed to, but I thought the whole point of the game was to create a nation as I wished, and that if I wanted to deliberately oppress my people I could without the World Assembly telling me that I can’t. Capital punishment is a policy which is achieved through an issue, and so everyone who has that policy and is part of the World Assembly would not be able to have that policy without breaking these international laws. I could easily resign from the WA, but I would be defeating a purpose if the organization, a condemnation of attacking regions and a call to action for those being raided. I wish I could get out of half of the organization, but in order to condemn evil I also have to follow these stupid laws? This is an oppressive law and I hope the vote falls through.

OOC: You can always play a nation that isn't a member of the WA. Joining it is, like parallels in real life, sacrificing some freedom of governance in return for being part of an international organisation. Many players have multiple nations, as long as no more than one is in the WA there's nothing to stop you from having a sock puppet or two - and nothing to stop a non-WA nation from posting as a third-party observer with no vote in threads

*Slams his fist into the table and stands*

This is an absolute insult to other nations that have SEEN results from the death penalty.
In Xvraks our crime is damned near nonexistent! Why? Because if you kill someone, WE WILL KILL YOU BACK.

*clears his throat and takes on a more gentle tone*

While I do see that some nations will in fact see the death penalty as barbaric or unnecessary, it is an issue that should be left to each individual nation to decide, not a mandate that all must follow for one person’s sense of justice.

As well as I, Xaphan Vraks, guarantee I will ensure in every way possible my country WILL NOT follow this mandate should it pass. I recommend it be withdrawn, and if not then I Implore you, even if you are against the death penalty, vote against this movement. For how would you feel if I came in and told you you MUST have the death penalty in your nation!? It is absurd and asinine!

Ambassador, you do recall the recently passed Administrative Compliance Act? We look forward to your compliance in the event of this resolution succeeding. That aside, "should be left to each individual nation" sounds to me like no argument at all for or against this proposal - come now, provide a robust defence of the death penalty, win some hearts and minds.

[Quantipapa]

We really shouldn't ban capital punishment.

[Oppermenia]

There are a lot of nations in the WA that practice capital punishment, so it would be very messy to outright ban it.

[Quantipapa]

There are a lot of nations in the WA that practice capital punishment, so it would be very messy to outright ban it.

time for some natsov

[Kenmoria]

There are a lot of nations in the WA that practice capital punishment, so it would be very messy to outright ban it.

There were a lot of nations that supported abortion or banned circumcision, but the WA exists to make difficult decisions that may not be liked by all members.

[Slavonia and Srijem]

Big NO, this matter should be left member states to decide if they want it or not, after all WA is not any type of a country to ban it in all its states.

[Vocren Nat]

“I must say that my nation fully supports this resolution. It eliminates the barbarism present in many legal systems and allows life to flourish instead of being stifled. Killing him won’t bring the dead man back, after all.”

[Wallenburg]

"As I am sure the authoring delegation already knows, many member states consider capital punishment essential to the just punishment of heinous crimes. To prohibit the execution of monstrous war criminals and heartless traitors is to tacitly approve of their crimes, and to invite further illegal behavior of that degree. Wallenburg is against this abhorrent attempt to yet again impose the author's backward 'morals' on the World Assembly and its members."

[Unia Saul]

For me, it sounds like interfering in the penal code. What's next? Maybe you will start to set up judges and maybe immediately a uniform plan for all the Member States. Personally, I am against the death penalty, but you should not impose your ideology on others. Im against those resolution.

[Malsti]

While we are not opposed to the morality of the death penalty as such, believing that there are some crimes so abhorrent that in a trully just world the perpetrator would not walk under the same sun as us, Malsti's World Asssembly office must note that we so not live in a just world.

Far too often we have seen the death penalty used not as a punishment, but as a threat to a suspect for whom the prosecution does not have enough credible evidence to prosecute. Confess, the prosecutor says, and we will not pursue the death penalty. Cowed by the prospect of death carried out by the state, we wonder how many innocents languish in prison cells.

We also note that the death penalty, when enacted, is carried out disproportionately against those who have less financial resources than others. In a world where in many nations legal expertise comes at a price there can be no guaruntee that the penalty of death will ever be applied fairly. While the same may be said of any penalty, we believe the death penalty, final as it is, offers no chance for restitution. An apology means nothing to a corpse.

There is no greater potential for abuse of state power than the death penalty and there is no greater, more terrifying instance of a state exersising ultimate power over the individual than execution. Even the victim of a killer has some hope, some scant chance that they may escape, that someone may come to their aid. For someone sentenced to die by the hand of the state at a set time there is no such hope.

We believe therefore that the death penalty can never be infaliable, that it infringes on a fundamental level the rights of a person - namely the right to live - and as such represents a gross overreach of government. We believe it encourages lazy police work and pushes justice systems towards corruption in the form of confessions extracted under duress and that it disproportionately effects the most vulnerable members of a given society.

We are proud to lend our vote to the World Assembly's efforts to end this barbaric practise, and thank both Imperium Anglorium and United Massachusets for their efforts in consigning this most shameful chapter of humanity to the history books.