[PASSED] Right to Self-defense

[Kiravian WA Mission]

"The Kiravian WA Mission is proud to support this resolution."

[Justosia]

The Holy Kingdom of Justosia is proud to support this resolution for the God given right of self defence.

[Furry Things]

I feel like, in its current state, the proposal is too vague. Against.

[United States of Americanas]

This seems like a forced addition of weapons rights in countries where such rights are not given for religious or safety reasons.

Thou shalt not kill is in the Bible.

I will remain firmly against this and all weapons rights laws.

[Cantonese Union]

The Cantonese Union will not support this resolution as it will force weaponization of the populace in the name of "self-defense".
This proposal also allows individuals to treat the Government's security services as a threat to their family and attack them if, for example, a family member is sentenced to death for committing a severe crime. We hope this resolution does not get passed.
The Cantonese Union recommends other WA member states that support this resolution to invest in Law & Order and stronger weapon controls.

[Kenmoria]

The Cantonese Union will not support this resolution as it will force weaponization of the populace in the name of "self-defense".
This proposal also allows individuals to treat the Government's security services as a threat to their family and attack them if, for example, a family member is sentenced to death for committing a severe crime. We hope this resolution does not get passed.
The Cantonese Union recommends other WA member states that support this resolution to invest in Law & Order and stronger weapon controls.

“I fully agree with this. The proposal doesn’t afford any qualifications on scenarios where’s the idea of self-defence is silly. A police officer shooting a mass murderer about to kill someone, for example, does not necessitate the murderer’s family killing said policeman or woman. Luckily the WA populace appear to recognise this flaw. If the authoring delegation wishes to redo this, adding an exemption for governmental agents acting lawfully would be much appreciated.”

[Illemenia]

The United States of Illemenia will wholeheartedly support this resolution. The right to Life* is a cherished Right that all people have. While I personally abhor guns, I strongly defend the right of anyone who owns one for the safety of themselves and their family. May this resolution pass.

*This is not Pro-Life as in abortion...

[The American Liberation Front]

This seems like a forced addition of weapons rights in countries where such rights are not given for religious or safety reasons.

Thou shalt not kill is in the Bible.

I will remain firmly against this and all weapons rights laws.

I know, because god forbid someone having the most basic rights of self-defense.

[Liberimery]

This seems like a forced addition of weapons rights in countries where such rights are not given for religious or safety reasons.

Thou shalt not kill is in the Bible.

I will remain firmly against this and all weapons rights laws.

Pardon me, ambassador, I am rusty on my Bible, but didn't Jesus Christ violently remove thieves from his father's house? And how do you reckon this rule with the fact that Jesus' disciples chopped off a soldier's ear during the Lord's arrest? After all, he allowed his followers to carry arms for their own defense. His admonishment was because the arrest was legal, not for simply carrying.

[Bears Armed]

Thou shalt not kill is in the Bible.

OOC: A more accurate translation of the original language is actually "Thou shalt not murder". Remember that, according to that same Bible, both God-commanded war against non-believers and the use of capital punishment were considered acceptable actions for the original followers of those commandments.

[Sonderweg]

"The Republic of Sonderweg supports this resolution as it only seeks to strengthen the civil rights of our citizens, as well as create a universal standard of using 'self-defence' as a legal defence in a court of justice, without compromising our nation's current laws regarding gun control. However, we do share the following delegation's concern that:

“The proposal doesn’t afford any qualifications on scenarios where’s the idea of self-defence is silly. A police officer shooting a mass murderer about to kill someone, for example, does not necessitate the murderer’s family killing said policeman or woman. Luckily the WA populace appear to recognise this flaw. If the authoring delegation wishes to redo this, adding an exemption for governmental agents acting lawfully would be much appreciated.”

As such, we would like the author to add an amendment to their resolution (in the event it fails to pass, or in a future resolution) that includes the quoted statement as a basis for 'self-defence' not being an appropriate legal defence. That being said, we will still vote for the resolution in its current form."

[Glyski]

I must vote against. As stated above multiple times, some areas are to vague. For 3b, it states "The force used in response is not excessive with regards to the threat of the situation presented," but who determines what is excessive and what is not? There's a lot of grey lines and I don't feel comfortable at all to vote for this.

Cheers and Good Service,

Glyski Prime Official: Art'hur Snow - WA Member - Eqilism

[Nuclear Wastelands]

"We full heartedly agree with this... the Wastelanders need more weapons... but the raiders..."

[Araraukar]

“The proposal doesn’t afford any qualifications on scenarios where’s the idea of self-defence is silly. A police officer shooting a mass murderer about to kill someone, for example, does not necessitate the murderer’s family killing said policeman or woman.”

"This is why Araraukar's official stance is also against. Though clause three would let our legal system walk all over the proposed resolution, if it passed, we would rather not see it passed in this flawed state."

[Anarcho-Capitalist Democracy]

The United States of Illemenia will wholeheartedly support this resolution. The right to Life* is a cherished Right that all people have. While I personally abhor guns, I strongly defend the right of anyone who owns one for the safety of themselves and their family. May this resolution pass.

*This is not Pro-Life as in abortion...

Agreed. People have a right to defend their own lives from those that want to end them.

[Anarcho-Capitalist Democracy]

The Cantonese Union will not support this resolution as it will force weaponization of the populace in the name of "self-defense".
This proposal also allows individuals to treat the Government's security services as a threat to their family and attack them if, for example, a family member is sentenced to death for committing a severe crime. We hope this resolution does not get passed.
The Cantonese Union recommends other WA member states that support this resolution to invest in Law & Order and stronger weapon controls.

I fail to see where it demands that people be weaponized. From what I understand, it simply assures people the God given right to self preservation with the means they have. If it is in a nation where they can have guns then they can have guns and if they can only have kitchen knives then they can use kitchen knives. Nowhere do I see a statement that makes all weapons legal, instead it just says they may use what they have available.

[Anarcho-Capitalist Democracy]

This seems like a forced addition of weapons rights in countries where such rights are not given for religious or safety reasons.

Thou shalt not kill is in the Bible.

I will remain firmly against this and all weapons rights laws.

I fail to see where it demands that people be weaponized. From what I understand, it simply assures people the God given right to self preservation with the means they have. It just says they may use what they have available to defend themselves whether that be a rock or a machine gun, as long as it is not excessive. Also, "Thou shalt not murder" is a more accurate statement. Self defense is not murder.

[Saranidia]

The Holy Kingdom of Justosia is proud to support this resolution for the God given right of self defence.

Interesting. the Islamic Republic of Saranidia also supports the God given right to self-defence because Islam supports it in Quran 22:39-40.


Why would a Muslim nation vote against this after reading that?

[Saranidia]

I must vote against. As stated above multiple times, some areas are to vague. For 3b, it states "The force used in response is not excessive with regards to the threat of the situation presented," but who determines what is excessive and what is not? There's a lot of grey lines and I don't feel comfortable at all to vote for this.

Cheers and Good Service,

Glyski Prime Official: Art'hur Snow - WA Member - Eqilism

National law would be able to define excessive. However they would have to do so in a way that was non-discriminatory with regards to race, gender, religion or colour.

Besides I think it mentions threat to life so excessive would be if they know it is uneccesary.

[Saranidia]

The Cantonese Union will not support this resolution as it will force weaponization of the populace in the name of "self-defense".
This proposal also allows individuals to treat the Government's security services as a threat to their family and attack them if, for example, a family member is sentenced to death for committing a severe crime. We hope this resolution does not get passed.
The Cantonese Union recommends other WA member states that support this resolution to invest in Law & Order and stronger weapon controls.

No it just says they may use weapons normal in that country.

Besides what if a country said security services are never a threat to family even when shooting unarmed black men and occasionally black women?

[Cantonese Union]

The Cantonese Union will not support this resolution as it will force weaponization of the populace in the name of "self-defense".
This proposal also allows individuals to treat the Government's security services as a threat to their family and attack them if, for example, a family member is sentenced to death for committing a severe crime. We hope this resolution does not get passed.
The Cantonese Union recommends other WA member states that support this resolution to invest in Law & Order and stronger weapon controls.

I fail to see where it demands that people be weaponized. From what I understand, it simply assures people the God given right to self preservation with the means they have. If it is in a nation where they can have guns then they can have guns and if they can only have kitchen knives then they can use kitchen knives. Nowhere do I see a statement that makes all weapons legal, instead it just says they may use what they have available.

This proposal legalizes the usage of firearms from the Black Market as tools of self-defense since there is no clause prohibiting the usage of illegally acquired firearms in this proposal. We believe that this would lead to increased weaponization of the populace.
I don't speak for every other country but self-defense isn't banned here, nor is it a crime. We do not need an incredibly vague international law for this, especially since it allows citizens to "defend" themselves from Law Enforcement in scenarios such as trying to evade police after committing a robbery.

[Saranidia]

I fail to see where it demands that people be weaponized. From what I understand, it simply assures people the God given right to self preservation with the means they have. If it is in a nation where they can have guns then they can have guns and if they can only have kitchen knives then they can use kitchen knives. Nowhere do I see a statement that makes all weapons legal, instead it just says they may use what they have available.

This proposal legalizes the usage of firearms from the Black Market as tools of self-defense since there is no clause prohibiting the usage of illegally acquired firearms in this proposal. We believe that this would lead to increased weaponization of the populace.
I don't speak for every other country but self-defense isn't banned here, nor is it a crime. We do not need an incredibly vague international law for this, especially since it allows citizens to "defend" themselves from Law Enforcement in scenarios such as trying to evade police after committing a robbery.

The police officer can also defend themselves however besides it' says defend life.

[Cantonese Union]

This proposal legalizes the usage of firearms from the Black Market as tools of self-defense since there is no clause prohibiting the usage of illegally acquired firearms in this proposal. We believe that this would lead to increased weaponization of the populace.
I don't speak for every other country but self-defense isn't banned here, nor is it a crime. We do not need an incredibly vague international law for this, especially since it allows citizens to "defend" themselves from Law Enforcement in scenarios such as trying to evade police after committing a robbery.

The police officer can also defend themselves however besides it' says defend life.

That is not the point. The point is that it will create incredibly complex legal problems (criminals suing the state and claiming they shot officers in self-defense), increase crime, increase illegal gun ownership...

It is not our problem that an alarming amount of World Assembly member states seriously think that implementing vague self-defense laws is something we should all do.

[Saranidia]

The police officer can also defend themselves however besides it' says defend life.

That is not the point. The point is that it will create incredibly complex legal problems (criminals suing the state and claiming they shot officers in self-defense), increase crime, increase illegal gun ownership...

It is not our problem that an alarming amount of World Assembly member states seriously think that implementing vague self-defense laws is something we should all do.

The alternative is unchecked power of both powerful criminals and the state.
It's an affirmative defence.
We, Saranidians judge people based on their actions not whether they are a state official or not.
As for illegal gun ownership it's not as if prosecuting someone for self-defence is going to stop them buying illegal guns is it now?

[Tinhampton]

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: The Tinhamptonian delegation, that is myself and best mates, are supporting this resolution - not despite the fact we have it, but because everybody else should do so. Given that nobody deserves to be stabbed to death whilst telling the local police help desk operator about some guy stabbing them to death, it would make sense for them to actually do something more useful about him instead!