[PASSED] Liberate Boston

[Gul Paultoph]

Guess I count as the closest to a native bar BONOG (who was just ejected). I'm for the lib for the record.

[Aresin]

I am a newly immigrated native and I am vehemently against this liberation!

[Kurnugia]

That TI involvement means a spoilt raid, is reason enough for me. The OP claims it btw.


Lenly had given them a chance that only the TI stuff is on their record. All that it would have taken, is a simple banjection. But apparently having the influence intact for a raid that would have been doomed anyway due to TI's involvement, is more important than to have somewhat of an image. I guess everyone has its own priority.

Stop with flaming The Invaders.I will ask for you to be banned if it happens again.

Sorry if you don't like my opinions but they are true. TI is usually a reason why a liberation passes. as such the raid is doomed due to the impossibility of having a PW

Secondly, I was talking about how TDP seems to value a raid more than having a somewhat good image in the broader community. For the afformentioned reasons, a raid that is doomed anyway. Which makes it a series of serious mistakes.

Thirdly, working with TI is never a good look.

[Apostate]

They are accurate accusations. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=969050 Any response other than a re-founding by a beneficent sort that is active enough to repel the hypocritical "defenders" or the virulent "raiders" will fail. The password, or lack of one, will result in continued wrestling and eventual death of a region I do care about (since I was born and raised there, it started as a completely innocent project of mine, after responding to a recruitment telegram when I started the game, from Merridel. It was boring there.

Being born somewhere RL does not give you automatic rights to a region named after that place, Apostate from Kaiserreich. Likewise, it does not give you a right to kick out native nations that were already in the region long before you appeared. Not to mention the fact that you were receiving help from other independents, and the screenshot Siege posted reveals your true intentions for Boston. You can stop lying now bub, we don't believe you.

Edit: Also, I'm almost absolutely certain now that if we hadn't acted when we did to free Boston from your delegacy it would've been turned into a kreich trophy long before now.

Your conclusions are invalid. I do not masquerade as something that I am not. I understand that is very difficult for you specifically, and other of your pals to understand, but what you see is what you get.

This resolution remains reminiscent of a poor draft by a first time author and is invalid on the face of it; no Nazi or Fascist forces ever existed in the region, and as the person coordinating the pile from Kaiserreich, I can attest to that of my fellow Kaiserreich members.

[Terra Voltera]

Being born somewhere RL does not give you automatic rights to a region named after that place, Apostate from Kaiserreich. Likewise, it does not give you a right to kick out native nations that were already in the region long before you appeared. Not to mention the fact that you were receiving help from other independents, and the screenshot Siege posted reveals your true intentions for Boston. You can stop lying now bub, we don't believe you.

Edit: Also, I'm almost absolutely certain now that if we hadn't acted when we did to free Boston from your delegacy it would've been turned into a kreich trophy long before now.

Your conclusions are invalid. I do not masquerade as something that I am not. I understand that is very difficult for you specifically, and other of your pals to understand, but what you see is what you get.

This resolution remains reminiscent of a poor draft by a first time author and is invalid on the face of it; no Nazi or Fascist forces ever existed in the region, and as the person coordinating the pile from Kaiserreich, I can attest to that of my fellow Kaiserreich members.

Whether kreich is, or is not, Nazi has been debated in many other threads and has been proven time and again. As to the screenshot, yeah that pretty much proves that you're lying out of your backside. And I take it that your last comment means kreich forces are still in the region? Nice to know. Also, first time author? Poorly written draft? Yeah, you made me laugh there.

[Kurnugia]

Yeah, you made me laugh there.

The only thing that is bad, is that it should be interregionally. since "nation" refers to a player. Nitpick though

[Apostate]

Your conclusions are invalid. I do not masquerade as something that I am not. I understand that is very difficult for you specifically, and other of your pals to understand, but what you see is what you get.

This resolution remains reminiscent of a poor draft by a first time author and is invalid on the face of it; no Nazi or Fascist forces ever existed in the region, and as the person coordinating the pile from Kaiserreich, I can attest to that of my fellow Kaiserreich members.

Whether kreich is, or is not, Nazi has been debated in many other threads and has been proven time and again. As to the screenshot, yeah that pretty much proves that you're lying out of your backside. And I take it that your last comment means kreich forces are still in the region? Nice to know. Also, first time author? Poorly written draft? Yeah, you made me laugh there.

Selective “processing” must be another of your struggles. All Kaiserreich personnel were ordered out. One or two were even kicked, that did not get online quickly enough. We left due to the obsessive, ignorant, and opportunistic pot shots our region was taking.

I do not know nor care who that person is with the screen shot. I am sure if I did speak to them it was of an inconsequential nature. And we are all familiar with doctored and “selective” propaganda that has been used against Kaiserreich in the past, in your desperation to personally label us Nazi. Oddly enough, “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Seems to fit your politics as well as your approach to gameplay.

I am don’t commenting in this thread, Kaiserreich is not present in Boston, and only was for a very short while. The End. Bad. Liberation.

[Kurnugia]

Could we stop debating about KR being nazis or not? or atleast have a seperate thread on it? What was to said was said in iirc 4 different thread.

[Reploid Productions]

Stop with flaming The Invaders.I will ask for you to be banned if it happens again.

Not how that works. Kurnugia's post is not flaming or otherwise breaking the site rules. Threatening a user to "do/stop $thing or else I'mma get the mods to ban you" however, is a violation called "mods-as-weapons." Criticizing The Invaders for their policies or who they associate with is fair game so long as it's relevant to the topic at hand.

[North Saitama]

I approve on the grounds of liberating an invaded region, but object to its wording, which implies ideological intent, rather than intent to respond to invaders. Let's not repeat La Navasse's little crusade, okay?

[Kurnugia]

I approve on the grounds of liberating an invaded region, but object to its wording, which implies ideological intent, rather than intent to respond to invaders. Let's not repeat La Navasse's little crusade, okay?

everything in the SC is ideological.

[Unitary Frontiers]

Oh you've got to be kidding me, can you SJW Feminazi's leave please, stop trying to bring Political Correctness to a hobby we all love. If someones a Nazi let them be a Nazi, stop suppressing peoples viewpoint if it's not physically hurting you.

[Prydania]

Oh you've got to be kidding me, can you SJW Feminazi's leave please, stop trying to bring Political Correctness to a hobby we all love. If someones a Nazi let them be a Nazi, stop suppressing peoples viewpoint if it's not physically hurting you.

If someone is a Nazi they will want to hurt me. It's inherent in their ideology. So how about no?

[Reploid Productions]

you SJW Feminazi's leave

Stop that. You can argue against the proposal in question without stooping to pure flamebaity bitching about the Security Council doing exactly what it's designed to do: enable the World Assembly nations to express the organization's opinions toward regions, nations, and the conduct of regional delegates.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

Oh you've got to be kidding me, can you SJW Feminazi's leave please, stop trying to bring Political Correctness to a hobby we all love. If someones a Nazi let them be a Nazi, stop suppressing peoples viewpoint if it's not physically hurting you.

If someone is a Nazi they will want to hurt me. It's inherent in their ideology. So how about no?

Nazism is already banned by rules. So hateful ideology or swasticas is not present but if its role play or history it's tolerated.

[Kurnugia]

Oh you've got to be kidding me, can you SJW Feminazi's leave please, stop trying to bring Political Correctness to a hobby we all love. If someones a Nazi let them be a Nazi, stop suppressing peoples viewpoint if it's not physically hurting you.

hmmm. But I have fun to play cat and mouse over and over again! So... Stop trying to bring free speech to a hobby many of us love. If someone has paticular viewpoint, doesnt mean I can tell him how bad his ideology is. It's afterall not freedom of consequences. esp. if you are talking about a browsergame.

[Kurnugia]

If someone is a Nazi they will want to hurt me. It's inherent in their ideology. So how about no?

Nazism is already banned by rules. So hateful ideology or swasticas is not present but if its role play or history it's tolerated.

Now to be a bit more serious: Not really. If offsite.evidence is not allowed, nazis can redirect other players to certain mediums and say their hateful views there. As for symbolism... I also have to disagree with this though it's like playing whack-a-mole when talking about symbols. When you ban third reich symbolism, they inevtiably dodge to the black sun, dragon's eye and so on.

So imo, nazism/fascism and other hateful views are still legal on this site.

[Hehateu]

Stop with flaming The Invaders.I will ask for you to be banned if it happens again.

Not how that works. Kurnugia's post is not flaming or otherwise breaking the site rules. Threatening a user to "do/stop $thing or else I'mma get the mods to ban you" however, is a violation called "mods-as-weapons." Criticizing The Invaders for their policies or who they associate with is fair game so long as it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I am a world assembly nation. I have a voice. I have a right not to be criticized. You just threatened me.I demand you delete your post. I will not stand for Nazis such as yourself masqurading as a proper nation.

[Terra Voltera]

Not how that works. Kurnugia's post is not flaming or otherwise breaking the site rules. Threatening a user to "do/stop $thing or else I'mma get the mods to ban you" however, is a violation called "mods-as-weapons." Criticizing The Invaders for their policies or who they associate with is fair game so long as it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I am a world assembly nation. I have a voice. I have a right not to be criticized. You just threatened me.I demand you delete your post. I will not stand for Nazis such as yourself masqurading as a proper nation.

Wow, not a smart thing to do.

[KingMaker]

Observing that at this current time Boston is under occupation by a coalition of regions, including at least one Nazi/Fascist region and one internationally blacklisted region;

So When you say internationally Blacklisted Region. What does it mean ? Where is that list and who has created that list ?

Can we have a look ? Since you used word such as internationally Blacklisted which means it should be in public view for all to see. If you meant WA has a blacklist of regions. As WA member and delegate I demand that you direct me to that list. If it's your personal blacklist then it doesn't make a international blacklist. Another word Do not use any word like "International" unilaterally. Thank you

[Almonaster Nuevo]

Guess I count as the closest to a native bar BONOG (who was just ejected). I'm for the lib for the record.

Thank you. You have just clinched my vote, and I'll try to get you Canada's.

[Kurnugia]

Observing that at this current time Boston is under occupation by a coalition of regions, including at least one Nazi/Fascist region and one internationally blacklisted region;

So When you say internationally Blacklisted Region. What does it mean ? Where is that list and who has created that list ?

Can we have a look ? Since you used word such as internationally Blacklisted which means it should be in public view for all to see. If you meant WA has a blacklist of regions. As WA member and delegate I demand that you direct me to that list. If it's your personal blacklist then it doesn't make a international blacklist. Another word Do not use any word like "International" unilaterally. Thank you

Well, mostly all major and renown GP powers.

[Jebslund]

Not how that works. Kurnugia's post is not flaming or otherwise breaking the site rules. Threatening a user to "do/stop $thing or else I'mma get the mods to ban you" however, is a violation called "mods-as-weapons." Criticizing The Invaders for their policies or who they associate with is fair game so long as it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I am a world assembly nation. I have a voice. I have a right not to be criticized. You just threatened me.I demand you delete your post. I will not stand for Nazis such as yourself masqurading as a proper nation.

"Nowhere in the 433 General Assembly resolutions are WA nations given the right to not be criticised. Perhaps the Hehateu delegation would like to review said resolutions for an actual view of said rights?"

[OOC: Dude, you realise you're talking to a mod, right?]

[Old Hope]

Normally I'd ask why this invasion force doesn't get removed but with the current Lazarus operations defenders, imperialists, independents have committed most of their troops there... even some raiders have.
I support this as temporary measure.

[KingMaker]

Not how that works. Kurnugia's post is not flaming or otherwise breaking the site rules. Threatening a user to "do/stop $thing or else I'mma get the mods to ban you" however, is a violation called "mods-as-weapons." Criticizing The Invaders for their policies or who they associate with is fair game so long as it's relevant to the topic at hand.

I am a world assembly nation. I have a voice. I have a right not to be criticized. You just threatened me.I demand you delete your post. I will not stand for Nazis such as yourself masqurading as a proper nation.

@Hehateu, Don't fight with Terra Voltera. He is part of the moderator (Admin). So you will never win against them. If you talk about WA then you must know that NationStates website or WA is not democratic at all ). the website own by someone and there are people here with special privileges. Who can pretty much do anything they please. So I think it's time you know the truth and stop crying ) bro. Good luck.