[PASSED] Liberate Boston

[Unibot III]

Here's some additions and revisions....

The Security Council,

Noting that Boston has been troubled with invasions routinely since its founder ceased to exist;

Observing that at this time Boston is under occupation by a coalition of regions, including at least one Nazi/Fascist region and one internationally blacklisted region; leading this coalition is The Dictatorial Paradise which promotes itself as a region for "all oppressive, authoritarian and autocratic nations;"

Understanding that given the sheer forces that the occupation has amassed in Boston, the intent to commit regional destruction appears highly probable - especially as the potential to do so grows daily;

Believing that no region deserves to become a wasteland trophy of Nazi ideology, fascist or invader propaganda;

Determined that the international community should do everything in its power to prevent innocent regions, like Boston, from becoming trophies of fascists, Nazis, or their collaborators;

Hereby liberates Boston.

But I've seen you've submitted now, so good luck. I hope you can reach quorum soon. It's more important that this goes to vote soon.

[Aresin]

Hey, you guys've got us all wrong here! We're just taking a nice Summer vacation to historic Boston! Of course it is an armed vacation, but can you blame us? This is Boston after all.

[Conquerus]

What have we got here? Another liberation? If you guys are done in The Monarchist Entente, why don't you take Boston by force? Surely you can defeat a region barely 2 months old without whining to the W.A!

[Kurnugia]

What have we got here? Another liberation? If you guys are done in The Monarchist Entente, why don't you take Boston by force? Surely you can defeat a region barely 2 months old without whining to the W.A!

hmmm salt

Play the game my dude. Foreign reputation is essential for any org.

[All Wild Things]

First, should we give raiders notoriety by making them the subject of one of only around 260 Security Council resolutions? All because we don't want them to add one to the thousands of trophy regions? To me, this is disproportionate, and a little like rewarding them with a “condemnation”, with them having done nothing in particular to deserve it.
Second, the proposal does nothing to benefit the region. Boston's fledgling community was destroyed about seven months ago, apparently by a joint force of TITO, and the Grey Wardens.
Denied a community, the future of Boston is now to be either trophy or warzone. Both options are bad. I don't believe that the OP deserves an SC badge for creating a warzone, and I don't believe the raiders deserve the notoriety for this raid. I'm against this proposal.
I've telegrammed Stratagem (the person who built Boston's only community) to ask their opinion.

[Terra Voltera]

First, should we give raiders notoriety by making them the subject of one of only around 260 Security Council resolutions? All because we don't want them to add one to the thousands of trophy regions? To me, this is disproportionate, and a little like rewarding them with a “condemnation”, with them having done nothing in particular to deserve it.
Second, the proposal does nothing to benefit the region. Boston's fledgling community was destroyed about seven months ago, apparently by a joint force of TITO, and the Grey Wardens.
Denied a community, the future of Boston is now to be either trophy or warzone. Both options are bad. I don't believe that the OP deserves an SC badge for creating a warzone, and I don't believe the raiders deserve the notoriety for this raid. I'm against this proposal.
I've telegrammed Stratagem (the person who built Boston's only community) to ask their opinion.

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

[All Wild Things]

First, should we give raiders notoriety by making them the subject of one of only around 260 Security Council resolutions? All because we don't want them to add one to the thousands of trophy regions? To me, this is disproportionate, and a little like rewarding them with a “condemnation”, with them having done nothing in particular to deserve it.
Second, the proposal does nothing to benefit the region. Boston's fledgling community was destroyed about seven months ago, apparently by a joint force of TITO, and the Grey Wardens.
Denied a community, the future of Boston is now to be either trophy or warzone. Both options are bad. I don't believe that the OP deserves an SC badge for creating a warzone, and I don't believe the raiders deserve the notoriety for this raid. I'm against this proposal.
I've telegrammed Stratagem (the person who built Boston's only community) to ask their opinion.

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

My first point still stands. The choice is between warzone and trophy.

As to "wild accusations", it's pretty clear from the RMB that they did indeed create a community. It's also pretty clear that the community got destroyed.

Stratagem may well have had the aim of refounding as a trophy, I'm not in a position to argue that point. And it's nice to know that you helped out a Bostonian nation. I'm sure it worked out really well for them.

So, warzone and notoriety for raiders, or lame trophy?

[Kurnugia]

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

My first point still stands. The choice is between warzone and trophy.

As to "wild accusations", it's pretty clear from the RMB that they did indeed create a community. It's also pretty clear that the community got destroyed.

Stratagem may well have had the aim of refounding as a trophy, I'm not in a position to argue that point. And it's nice to know that you helped out a Bostonian nation. I'm sure it worked out really well for them.

So, warzone and notoriety for raiders, or lame trophy?

notoriety isn't a positive thing. So... the former. With this, TDP is branded as a region that has no qualms whatsoever to work with OOC toxic and nazi regions.

EDIT: Inherently a positive thing

[All Wild Things]

notoriety isn't a positive thing. So... the former. With this, TDP is branded as a region that has no qualms whatsoever to work with OOC toxic and nazi regions.

EDIT: Inherently a positive thing

Interesting. So what do you think the raiders best move is now? If they pulled out of Boston voluntarily, the resolution would no longer be needed, and might not pass. Would they still get labelled as toxic? Or would that buy them a second chance?

[Kurnugia]

notoriety isn't a positive thing. So... the former. With this, TDP is branded as a region that has no qualms whatsoever to work with OOC toxic and nazi regions.

EDIT: Inherently a positive thing

Interesting. So what do you think the raiders best move is now? If they pulled out of Boston voluntarily, the resolution would no longer be needed, and might not pass. Would they still get labelled as toxic? Or would that buy them a second chance?

Interesting proposed course of action. There would be some goodwill on my side. Since they are perhaps not as fluent in GP as most here are. I would be willing. Yes. However, ultimately, this is something GP as a whole would decide upon.

[Those Guys with a lot of fire arms]

My nation and it region would like to support you in anyway we can! Please message me so we can remove those that hold boston!

[Niceguy National Socialist]

Determined that the international community should do everything in its power to prevent innocent regions from becoming trophies of fascists, nazis, or their collaborators;

does that mean that guilty regions deserve it?
Aside from preteen virtue signalling, is there any substance to this proposal?

please stick to the guide when in doubt
http://z1.ifrm.com/2511/127/0/f5019796/algorithim.png

[Aresin]

My nation and it region would like to support you in anyway we can! Please message me so we can remove those that hold boston!

Those that hold Boston are liberators! We came to that horrendous slum in order to boot out a so-called "democratic" leader! To truly support Boston, you should vote "No" and join in our occupation for freedom!

[Hessere]

...And this thread already degenerated into, whatever this is. I still see The Invaders lack any sense of respect or dignity any time a liberation comes to vote. I'll just be here taking a shot every time a mod has to step in to stop it from getting worse

[New Ex Patria]

First, should we give raiders notoriety by making them the subject of one of only around 260 Security Council resolutions? All because we don't want them to add one to the thousands of trophy regions? To me, this is disproportionate, and a little like rewarding them with a “condemnation”, with them having done nothing in particular to deserve it.
Second, the proposal does nothing to benefit the region. Boston's fledgling community was destroyed about seven months ago, apparently by a joint force of TITO, and the Grey Wardens.
Denied a community, the future of Boston is now to be either trophy or warzone. Both options are bad. I don't believe that the OP deserves an SC badge for creating a warzone, and I don't believe the raiders deserve the notoriety for this raid. I'm against this proposal.
I've telegrammed Stratagem (the person who built Boston's only community) to ask their opinion.

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

I know it might not be as relevant now, but reading this made me remember something...

[Apostate]

Why yes I have. I’m not going to waste influence banning pilers, but I will ask them to leave.

If they leave before I submit the proposal, ill remove the Nazi content. If not, that will stay a part of the proposal. I'm looking to submit this tonight, so make it snappy lol.

They left. They being us. And yet your proposal continues. More socialist propaganda against our Imperialist region. We are neither Nazi nor Fascist as a region.

The piling was a spontaneous act of raider support.

We have withdrawn, and a shame that a fellow raiding group caved to the sheep so quickly.

[Stratagem]

First, should we give raiders notoriety by making them the subject of one of only around 260 Security Council resolutions? All because we don't want them to add one to the thousands of trophy regions? To me, this is disproportionate, and a little like rewarding them with a “condemnation”, with them having done nothing in particular to deserve it.
Second, the proposal does nothing to benefit the region. Boston's fledgling community was destroyed about seven months ago, apparently by a joint force of TITO, and the Grey Wardens.
Denied a community, the future of Boston is now to be either trophy or warzone. Both options are bad. I don't believe that the OP deserves an SC badge for creating a warzone, and I don't believe the raiders deserve the notoriety for this raid. I'm against this proposal.
I've telegrammed Stratagem (the person who built Boston's only community) to ask their opinion.

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

They are accurate accusations. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=969050 Any response other than a re-founding by a beneficent sort that is active enough to repel the hypocritical "defenders" or the virulent "raiders" will fail. The password, or lack of one, will result in continued wrestling and eventual death of a region I do care about (since I was born and raised there, it started as a completely innocent project of mine, after responding to a recruitment telegram when I started the game, from Merridel. It was boring there.

Edit: And no, I am not Apostate. I am barely active anymore, and just saw the email from All Wild Things.

[Terra Voltera]

Did you know that Stratagem was in the independent military of Merridel, a military willing to attack other regions and make them trophies? Stratagem was also receiving help from members of Europeia's military, which is why we acted to kick her out. We were approached by one of the people who had nations in Boston and asked us to save the region from Stratagem, so why don't you learn the while story before throwing out wild accusations?

They are accurate accusations. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=969050 Any response other than a re-founding by a beneficent sort that is active enough to repel the hypocritical "defenders" or the virulent "raiders" will fail. The password, or lack of one, will result in continued wrestling and eventual death of a region I do care about (since I was born and raised there, it started as a completely innocent project of mine, after responding to a recruitment telegram when I started the game, from Merridel. It was boring there.

Being born somewhere RL does not give you automatic rights to a region named after that place, Apostate from Kaiserreich. Likewise, it does not give you a right to kick out native nations that were already in the region long before you appeared. Not to mention the fact that you were receiving help from other independents, and the screenshot Siege posted reveals your true intentions for Boston. You can stop lying now bub, we don't believe you.

Edit: Also, I'm almost absolutely certain now that if we hadn't acted when we did to free Boston from your delegacy it would've been turned into a kreich trophy long before now.

[Hehateu]

You're liberation means nothing as usual.

[Aresin]

...And this thread already degenerated into, whatever this is. I still see The Invaders lack any sense of respect or dignity any time a liberation comes to vote. I'll just be here taking a shot every time a mod has to step in to stop it from getting worse

You lack a spine.

And you've crossed over from gameplay banter into the realm of personal attacks. *** Warned for flaming ***

Hmmmmm

[Almonaster Nuevo]

I'll ask my usual question : Is there any native support for this?

[Kurnugia]

I'll ask my usual question : Is there any native support for this?

That TI involvement means a spoilt raid, is reason enough for me. The OP claims it btw.

We have withdrawn, and a shame that a fellow raiding group caved to the sheep so quickly.

Lenly had given them a chance that only the TI stuff is on their record. All that it would have taken, is a simple banjection. But apparently having the influence intact for a raid that would have been doomed anyway due to TI's involvement, is more important than to have somewhat of an image. I guess everyone has its own priority.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

I don't see it in the OP.

[Hehateu]

I'll ask my usual question : Is there any native support for this?

That TI involvement means a spoilt raid, is reason enough for me. The OP claims it btw.

We have withdrawn, and a shame that a fellow raiding group caved to the sheep so quickly.

Lenly had given them a chance that only the TI stuff is on their record. All that it would have taken, is a simple banjection. But apparently having the influence intact for a raid that would have been doomed anyway due to TI's involvement, is more important than to have somewhat of an image. I guess everyone has its own priority.

Stop with flaming The Invaders.I will ask for you to be banned if it happens again.

[Gul Paultoph]

Guess I count as the closest to a native bar BONOG (who was just ejected). I'm for the lib for the record.