[DEFEATED] Condemn The League Of Conservative Nations

[The Lord Pepe]

i used to be a member of theres and all of the claims crimson states are true

[Quebecshire]

i used to be a member of theres and all of the claims crimson states are true

Yet there is still zero provided evidence, both in and out of the resolution.

[Mordheimar]

Fellow delegates, I am appalled by this resolution. If comrade Crimsonfield has an issue with the LCN then he needs to deal with it in some way other than tactless accusations against them brought before this august body. Due to a lack of any proof the nation of Mordheim shall vote against this resolution. We also suggest some form of sanctions against anyone bring such baseless resolutions before this assembly.

Putting sanctions on submitting a proposal to the GA or the SC would be a direct threat to its democracy.
We have the Security Council Secretariat to decide whether or not a proposal is legal, and a proposal needs a certain number of approvals before it is being brought to vote to keep stupid proposals away.

I agree that the author has not provided any evidence backing up the accusations (even after I personally asked him to do so on Discord), but punishing him is just absolutely wrong.

My apologies comrade. The ways of the World Assembly are still somewhat strange to us. As to the testimony that these allegations are true, Why has no evidence been presented to this voting body? Simply saying something is so does not make it true. Mordheim is willing to listen to any verifiable proof that is provided. Otherwise we shall remain in objection to this resolution.

[Quebecshire]

Putting sanctions on submitting a proposal to the GA or the SC would be a direct threat to its democracy.
We have the Security Council Secretariat to decide whether or not a proposal is legal, and a proposal needs a certain number of approvals before it is being brought to vote to keep stupid proposals away.

I agree that the author has not provided any evidence backing up the accusations (even after I personally asked him to do so on Discord), but punishing him is just absolutely wrong.

My apologies comrade. The ways of the World Assembly are still somewhat strange to us.

I would like to thank you for your initiative and commentary on the proposal. You are free to telegram me for any further inquiry or concerns about our region and the false allegations being brought against us.

[Neo Singapura]

This is just utter garbage. The LCN is not a raider organization or an intolerant region. I hardly see the point of all this. The author was some guy who broke their laws. I have been there in a previous nation, Slightly old fashinoned in morals, but I hardly call that any reason to condemn them.

[The Strong And Brave]

Condemn The League of Conservative Nations: Opinion of Archdiocese of Carolingia
An honest opinion on a current SC proposal.
We demand evidence for both sides, as the argument is lacking in this.
Crimsonfield has stated that The League of Conservative Nations has a hunger for powers and destruction, has taken part in infiltration of other regions through recruitment telegrams with the purpose of destabilizing them, and that “countless regions have fallen” due to The League of Conservative Nations.
Although, no evidence of this has been shown.

Quebecshire, a LCN Consul, responded to this with a full reversal of the accusations, saying that in fact The United Conservative Nations were doing all of these actions and producing propoganda. Crimsonfield responded to this with more accusations and unrelated issues. With countless regions still waiting for evidence Carolingia reinforces these demands with the promise of supporting The League of Conservative Nations.

Just a note, I am saying this on behalf of Giant Redwood. He is busy but stated every point in this, practically writing it.

[Quebecshire]

Condemn @the League of Conservative Nations: Opinion of Archdiocese of @Carolingia
An honest opinion on a current SC proposal.
We demand evidence for both sides, as the argument is lacking in this.
@Crimsonfield has stated that @the League of Conservative Nations has a hunger for powers and destruction, has taken part in infiltration of other regions through recruitment telegrams with the purpose of destabilizing them, and that “countless regions have fallen” due to @the League of Conservative Nations.
Although, no evidence of this has been shown.

@Quebecshire, a LCN Consul, responded to this with a full reversal of the accusations, saying that in fact @The United Conservative Nations were doing all of these actions and producing propoganda. @Crimsonfield responded to this with more accusations and unrelated issues. With countless regions still waiting for evidence Carolingia reinforces these demands with the promise of supporting @The League of Conservative Nations.

Just a note, I am saying this on behalf of Great Redwood. He is busy but stated every point in this, practically writing it.

You can find evidence to our claims (or evidence to their lack of valid claims) in our official governing documents (1/2) and in previous statements in this thread (regarding the party leader stating the claims about me forcing modification were false), as well as in the fact that we are being called undemocratic and our elections are ongoing (3).

1 - https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1011381 (This will explain the process and procedures of the Consulate system, note the fact that the aforementioned "Leader" in the resolution who supposedly picks the Consulate simply does not exist as a position.)
2 - https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1011380 (This will explain the process and procedures of the democratically elected Citizens' Assembly and those who lead it.)
3 - https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=122691 (This simply shows that we have a multiparty ongoing legislative election and invalidates their claims that we are not a region with a democratic system.)

The LCN State thanks you for commenting on this thread and providing your commentary into the situation.

[State of SouthCarolina]

This spat between two regions is hardly worth the time of the S.C. Since both regions are insignificant to United We Stand and our point has been entered into record, we courteously abstain.

[SABDR]

Is this a copypasta

[HerpDeDerp]

I feel like there is most likely a political grudge against the region, which is not a reason to condemn them.

[The Ruby Ravens]

The simple fact that I received a telegram begging me to vote For is more than enough reason for me to vote Against... Also, I agree with just about everyone else that this is a petty issue that really shouldn't have even come to a vote...

[Quebecshire]

The simple fact that I received a telegram begging me to vote For is more than enough reason for me to vote Against... Also, I agree with just about everyone else that this is a petty issue that really shouldn't have even come to a vote...

I myself also received one of those API telegrams being used to campaign. The telegram was poorly formatted and was filled with nothing but pure rhetoric not backed by evidence nor logic. If you want officially sanctioned information regarding the League of Conservative Nations, I invite you and anyone else reading this to visit our regional forum thread where you can find basic information, news updates regarding our region events (such as ongoing elections and planned sessions for the democratically elected legislative, despite the resolution and telegram slandering our region as lacking in democracy), and links relating to our governmental system and those who lead it. The LCN has come to take the World Assembly much more serious in our direct official governance, and we hope in the future that proposals such as this do not make it to the formal vote.

[Quebecshire]

I feel like there is most likely a political grudge against the region, which is not a reason to condemn them.

The founder of the United Conservative Nations, Nagarno, has had trouble with the LCN and many other regions (the Great Conservative Alliance, the Newest Republic, the Kingdom of Westminister - mostly now defunct regions) in the past. Several times he has been found in direct violation of LCN law (be it inciting Consuls to go against their Charter through attempted manipulation, using puppets to attempt to create division between LCN citizens, photoshopping telegrams (rather poorly and with the wrong font) to attempt to create instability, and attempting to infringe upon the sovereignty and integrity of our elections) and he continues to carry a vendetta against our region, and his region is radically taught to hate the LCN. This condemnation, in its poorly written, rushed, and false form is simply an extension of that hatred which comes from no valid source.

If you wish for information on the allegations I have made here, you may contact myself or Spode Humbled Minions, as we probably possess the most documented evidence regarding Nagarno and his past (and present) aggressive and unpleasant deeds.

[Zanthion]

This proposal, in my opinion, was made of spite towards the LCN and is not worthy of SC approval. I don't even know how this reached quorum without someone denouncing this. Against.

[United Massachusetts]

How humourous.

[Quebecshire]

This proposal, in my opinion, was made of spite towards the LCN and is not worthy of SC approval. I don't even know how this reached quorum without someone denouncing this. Against.

Plenty of people denounced this, however, to reach quorum one only needs 6% of the delegate population, and the author ran a telegram campaign, thus getting them that far.

However, your statements are accurate and the LCN thanks you for your additions to this discussion.

[Cosmopolitan borovan]

This proposal, in my opinion, was made of spite towards the LCN and is not worthy of SC approval. I don't even know how this reached quorum without someone denouncing this. Against.

Plenty of people denounced this, however, to reach quorum one only needs 6% of the delegate population, and the author ran a telegram campaign, thus getting them that far.

However, your statements are accurate and the LCN thanks you for your additions to this discussion.

Our delegation condemns the nation for bringing this proposal up and for currying their way for it to a vote.

[Hessere]

Plenty of people denounced this, however, to reach quorum one only needs 6% of the delegate population, and the author ran a telegram campaign, thus getting them that far.

However, your statements are accurate and the LCN thanks you for your additions to this discussion.

Our delegation condemns the nation for bringing this proposal up and for currying their way for it to a vote.

At least it's not a full-blown proposal

[Zealasia]

Vague allegations, most of which allude to internal politics and a private spat. This proposal is a waste of the SC's time. Firmly against.

[Central Asian Republics]

I don't get it, do delegates just vote for absurdly redundant proposals for shits and giggles?

[Quebecshire]

I don't get it, do delegates just vote for absurdly redundant proposals for shits and giggles?

Well, let's discuss the ingredients for this proposal.

• One region Founded and led by someone convicted of breaking LCN Law several times with a longstanding anti-LCN vendetta.
• One delegate easily influenced by his "King" to publish this proposal.
• A string of API telegrams getting smaller delegates to approve, only needing 6% thereof.
• One new resolution up to vote for the World Assembly.
• The very large majority of the World Assembly rejecting the proposal in the vote as things have gone thus far.

In essence, this proposal is nothing but pure propaganda set at slandering the Fourth Republic of the League of Conservative Nations, a region which (despite being accused of being undemocratic in this resolution) just finished its elections resulting in the formation of a coalition government. All of the points in this resolution have been refuted, both by myself and by many other LCNers who are absolutely sick and tired of the obnoxious slander and heaps of lies coming from the UCN.

[Kolm]

This resolution provides absolutely no evidence supporting the "string of threats" even existing. How did this get into quorum? Against.

[Luziland]

voting against, for the same reasons that many before have already mentioned.

[Albertstadt]

Voting No. I could recite everyone else who also voted "No."

Come on, let the two of them bicker and fight all they want. I am sorry I spent the time even reading it and commenting.

[The Earth Systems Alliance]

I do not understand the claim that the esteemed region has the word Conservative on its title. It is an ad absurdum claim. In addition, last time I checked, conservatism is a form of democracy in which its members prefer slow or none reforms. How does one by condemning a democratic region send a message to other "slightly" authoritarian ones? There is lack of evidence dear chap, at least from my point of view.

For better or worse, we are voting against this resolution.

Yours with respect, The Earth Systems Alliance