Imperium Anglorum wrote:The words 'reasonable measures' do not appear in the submission.
Sorry. "reasonable precautions" do appear however.
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by Kenmoria » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:34 am
by Erithaca » Fri Jun 01, 2018 6:46 am
Kenmoria wrote:"Kenmoria is a nation with a strong belief in the free market. However, due to the relative lack of particularly crippling measures, we are FOR this proposal."
by A Bright Future » Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:40 pm
by Araraukar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:30 am
Erithaca wrote:Sorry. "reasonable precautions" do appear however.
Preventing Desertification
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.
Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture
The General Assembly,
Shocked at the process of desertification, which causes the loss of bodies of water as well as vegetation and wildlife,
Noting that these in turn cause famine and drought,
Understanding that a major cause of desertification is removal of vegetation,
Hereby,
1. Mandates member nations take reasonable precautions and enact reasonable regulations to reduce excessive removal of vegetation for purposes relating to agriculture and otherwise.
2. Encourages member nations to educate those involved, especially agricultural workers, on desertification.
3. Strongly encourages member nations to take part in reforestation and construction of shelter belts, woodlots and windbreaks.
4. Mandates that the WAEC shall oversee efforts against desertification and ensure that:
a) efforts are feasible, not harmful and approved by the local community and government,
b) reforestation is planned and maintained,
c) grazing is managed to prevent overgrazing,
d) water is conserved, collected and distributed in an orderly and fair manner in areas affected by desertification,
e) records are kept of areas at risk of or undergoing desertification, along with the status of any efforts against desertification.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 2:33 am
Araraukar wrote:Erithaca wrote:Sorry. "reasonable precautions" do appear however.
OOC: Reasonable precautions =/= reasonable measures. Also, your proposal text in this thread lies about about your AoE. See the text below. I sincerely question the chosen AoE and how exactly is it supposed to be accurate. I'd like your reply before drafting up a challenge.Preventing Desertification
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.
Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture
The General Assembly,
Shocked at the process of desertification, which causes the loss of bodies of water as well as vegetation and wildlife,
Noting that these in turn cause famine and drought,
Understanding that a major cause of desertification is removal of vegetation,
Hereby,
1. Mandates member nations take reasonable precautions and enact reasonable regulations to reduce excessive removal of vegetation for purposes relating to agriculture and otherwise.
2. Encourages member nations to educate those involved, especially agricultural workers, on desertification.
3. Strongly encourages member nations to take part in reforestation and construction of shelter belts, woodlots and windbreaks.
4. Mandates that the WAEC shall oversee efforts against desertification and ensure that:
a) efforts are feasible, not harmful and approved by the local community and government,
b) reforestation is planned and maintained,
c) grazing is managed to prevent overgrazing,
d) water is conserved, collected and distributed in an orderly and fair manner in areas affected by desertification,
e) records are kept of areas at risk of or undergoing desertification, along with the status of any efforts against desertification.
by Merni » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:48 am
Erithaca wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: Reasonable precautions =/= reasonable measures. Also, your proposal text in this thread lies about about your AoE. See the text below. I sincerely question the chosen AoE and how exactly is it supposed to be accurate. I'd like your reply before drafting up a challenge.Preventing Desertification
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.
Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture
The General Assembly,
Shocked at the process of desertification, which causes the loss of bodies of water as well as vegetation and wildlife,
Noting that these in turn cause famine and drought,
Understanding that a major cause of desertification is removal of vegetation,
Hereby,
1. Mandates member nations take reasonable precautions and enact reasonable regulations to reduce excessive removal of vegetation for purposes relating to agriculture and otherwise.
2. Encourages member nations to educate those involved, especially agricultural workers, on desertification.
3. Strongly encourages member nations to take part in reforestation and construction of shelter belts, woodlots and windbreaks.
4. Mandates that the WAEC shall oversee efforts against desertification and ensure that:
a) efforts are feasible, not harmful and approved by the local community and government,
b) reforestation is planned and maintained,
c) grazing is managed to prevent overgrazing,
d) water is conserved, collected and distributed in an orderly and fair manner in areas affected by desertification,
e) records are kept of areas at risk of or undergoing desertification, along with the status of any efforts against desertification.
What is an AoE? If the text here is different from the text on the WA, I will change it. I am not trying to fool anybody. Are you going to make a legality challenge?
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:57 am
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:32 am
Auralia wrote:What kind of role is the WAEC playing here? Advisory or regulatory?
Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly
by Auralia » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:40 am
by Araraukar » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:48 am
Erithaca wrote:The AoE is Environmental, both here on the forum and on the WA.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:47 am
Auralia wrote:Erithaca wrote:In the resolution, the word is "oversee". This suggests either advisory and regulatory, when appropriate.
Another important word is "ensure", which is even stronger.
If indeed the WAEC is playing a regulatory role, then its mandate and powers should be clearly defined and limited. This is not presently the case. At the moment the resolution suggests that the WAEC can freely regulate desertification efforts (a) and forestation (b), as well as aspects of agriculture (c) and water usage (d). I think this is far too much unchecked power for an international administrative agency.
Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly
oversight(Control), noun management, superintendence, supervision, watchful care
to watch or organize a job or an activity to make certain that it is being done correctly:
Araraukar wrote:Erithaca wrote:The AoE is Environmental, both here on the forum and on the WA.
OOC: Environmental is the category. The AoE you have submitted under is Agricultural. Could you please explain to me exactly how does the proposal hinder agriculture? (Or, at least, how does it hinder agriculture more than it hinders any other industry?)
EDIT: Also what ^Auralia said.
by Kenmoria » Sat Jun 02, 2018 9:32 am
Erithaca wrote:Araraukar wrote:OOC: Environmental is the category. The AoE you have submitted under is Agricultural. Could you please explain to me exactly how does the proposal hinder agriculture? (Or, at least, how does it hinder agriculture more than it hinders any other industry?)
EDIT: Also what ^Auralia said.
Out of all the categories, it hinders agriculture the most. While it still will help agriculture greatly by preventing arable land turning into sand, it might have some negative impacts on agriculture. In 4c and possibly 4d, agriculture could be temporarily hindered. By controlling grazing, some farms working with grazing animals could have their business slowed.
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:04 am
Kenmoria wrote:Erithaca wrote:
Out of all the categories, it hinders agriculture the most. While it still will help agriculture greatly by preventing arable land turning into sand, it might have some negative impacts on agriculture. In 4c and possibly 4d, agriculture could be temporarily hindered. By controlling grazing, some farms working with grazing animals could have their business slowed.
(OOC: One could also argue that one of the biggest of desertification is harvesting resources, which would make this proposal more "manufacturing". I would put this as "all businesses" instead, as there are only slight, subjective differences in how different industries will be affected by the mandates.)
by Zone 71 » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:45 pm
Erithaca wrote:Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: One could also argue that one of the biggest of desertification is harvesting resources, which would make this proposal more "manufacturing". I would put this as "all businesses" instead, as there are only slight, subjective differences in how different industries will be affected by the mandates.)
I do not think that it would be worth deleting the proposal and trying to regain 110 approvals because of an AoE. If the proposal fails at vote and I propose it again, which I probably won't, I will change the AoE. Thanks for all the help!
by Erithaca » Sat Jun 02, 2018 3:58 pm
Zone 71 wrote:Erithaca wrote:I do not think that it would be worth deleting the proposal and trying to regain 110 approvals because of an AoE. If the proposal fails at vote and I propose it again, which I probably won't, I will change the AoE. Thanks for all the help!
I must agree with the God of Grammar. I believe that submitting a proposal with an unsuitable AoE would mean having the bill be declared illegal. And this proposal would be more appropriately set under the "All businesses" category, as it does, in some respects, extend influence to several industries beyond agriculture. I would strongly recommend that you consult GenSec about this issue and withdraw this proposal if necessary.
EDIT: I just realized that three members of GenSec deemed this proposal legal. Please disregard my commentary.
by Araraukar » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:26 am
Erithaca wrote:Are you going to make a legality challenge?
Zone 71 wrote:EDIT: I just realized that three members of GenSec deemed this proposal legal. Please disregard my commentary.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
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