by Erithaca » Thu May 24, 2018 3:28 pm
by Sougra » Thu May 24, 2018 3:32 pm
by Erithaca » Thu May 24, 2018 3:34 pm
Sougra wrote:If I remember correctly, "urges" is not enough tot actually create a meaningful piece of WA legislation and is against WA guidelines. It has to actually make the countries do something, perhaps using the word "mandate" would help.
by Sougra » Thu May 24, 2018 3:38 pm
Erithaca wrote:You are probably correct. Do you have any idea as to what this proposal should do?
by Erithaca » Thu May 24, 2018 3:59 pm
Sougra wrote:Erithaca wrote:You are probably correct. Do you have any idea as to what this proposal should do?
Well, what's the primary reason for desertification? Add a part in there that would make it so that member nations have to minimize whatever causes desertification. There's a WA organization that deals with environmental concerns, so perhaps you could put them in charge of overseeing reforestation efforts, although I'm unsure if that's in their jurisdiction or not.
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu May 24, 2018 4:11 pm
by Erithaca » Fri May 25, 2018 4:00 am
Imperium Anglorum wrote:"Mandates that member nations take all possible steps to prevent removal of vegetation by tillage for agriculture, overgrazing and deforestation in areas susceptible to desertification." – No. I'm fundamentally against mandates, insofar as you can deal with these issues by Pigouvian taxation.
by Separatist Peoples » Fri May 25, 2018 5:21 am
Erithaca wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:"Mandates that member nations take all possible steps to prevent removal of vegetation by tillage for agriculture, overgrazing and deforestation in areas susceptible to desertification." – No. I'm fundamentally against mandates, insofar as you can deal with these issues by Pigouvian taxation.
All possible steps could include taxation.
by Wallenburg » Fri May 25, 2018 6:32 am
Erithaca wrote:Strength: Mild
Category: Environmental
The General Assembly,
Shocked at the process of desertification, which causes the loss of bodies of water as well as vegetation and wildlife,
Noting that these in turn cause famine and drought,
Understanding that a major cause of desertification is removal of vegetation,
Hereby,
1. Mandates that member nations take all reasonable steps to prevent removal of vegetation by tillage for agriculture, overgrazing and deforestation in areas susceptible to desertification.
2. Encourages member nations to educate those involved, especially agricultural workers, on overgrazing and soil management.
3. Strongly encourages member nations to take part in reforestation and construction of shelter belts, woodlots and windbreaks.
4. Mandates that the WAEC shall oversee efforts against desertification and ensure that:
a) efforts are feasible, not harmful and approved by the local community,
b) reforestation is planned and maintained,
c) grazing is managed to prevent overgrazing,
d) water is conserved, collected and distributed in an orderly and fair manner in areas affected by desertification,
e) records are kept of areas at risk of or undergoing desertification, along with the status of any efforts against desertification.
by Erithaca » Fri May 25, 2018 6:44 am
by United Massachusetts » Fri May 25, 2018 6:49 am
"By reasonable, one refers to plausible. I have to agree with Wallenburg that it would appear that Clause One bans farming, or at least regulates it into non-existence. We would propose an alternative wording for the clause:Erithaca wrote:In clause 1, it does say, "take all reasonable steps". Banning farming is unreasonable.
The UN runs programs of education for farmers on desertification. This is more the case in developing nations. I will change " overgrazing and soil management" to "desertification".
I will add member states to those consulted.
Thanks for the help Wallenburg!
Mandates member nations take reasonable precautions and enact reasonable regulations to reduce excessive removal of vegetation for purposes relating to agriculture and otherwise in areas prone to desertification,
by Erithaca » Fri May 25, 2018 6:50 am
United Massachusetts wrote:"By reasonable, one refers to plausible. I have to agree with Wallenburg that it would appear that Clause One bans farming, or at least regulates it into non-existence. We would propose an alternative wording for the clause:Erithaca wrote:In clause 1, it does say, "take all reasonable steps". Banning farming is unreasonable.
The UN runs programs of education for farmers on desertification. This is more the case in developing nations. I will change " overgrazing and soil management" to "desertification".
I will add member states to those consulted.
Thanks for the help Wallenburg!Mandates member nations take reasonable precautions and enact reasonable regulations to reduce excessive removal of vegetation for purposes relating to agriculture and otherwise,
More comments will be offered later today."
by The Grinning Business » Fri May 25, 2018 9:19 am
by Merni » Mon May 28, 2018 9:15 am
The Grinning Business wrote:"We, here in The Grinning Business, directly oppose this. How is our commerce meant to operate with such a thing active?"
by Erithaca » Mon May 28, 2018 10:13 am
The Grinning Business wrote:"We, here in The Grinning Business, directly oppose this. How is our commerce meant to operate with such a thing active?"
by Jebslund » Mon May 28, 2018 2:32 pm
United Massachusetts wrote:"By reasonable, one refers to plausible. I have to agree with Wallenburg that it would appear that Clause One bans farming, or at least regulates it into non-existence. We would propose an alternative wording for the clause:Erithaca wrote:In clause 1, it does say, "take all reasonable steps". Banning farming is unreasonable.
The UN runs programs of education for farmers on desertification. This is more the case in developing nations. I will change " overgrazing and soil management" to "desertification".
I will add member states to those consulted.
Thanks for the help Wallenburg!
by Araraukar » Tue May 29, 2018 3:41 pm
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Erithaca » Thu May 31, 2018 3:29 am
Araraukar wrote:"Just one question. Would this ban restoring the natural state of land, when the natural state was desert or semi-desert?"OOC: Like, say, in parts of RL California, removing things that were planted and watered (because they don't flourish in that climate without watering) by humans, to restore the natural desert flora?
by Erithaca » Thu May 31, 2018 9:07 am
Snowman wrote:Support. Always love to see reasonable proposed changes balancing environment & the agricultural industry. Maybe capitalize your points after A. B. C. etc
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu May 31, 2018 9:17 am
Erithaca wrote:Araraukar wrote:"Just one question. Would this ban restoring the natural state of land, when the natural state was desert or semi-desert?"OOC: Like, say, in parts of RL California, removing things that were planted and watered (because they don't flourish in that climate without watering) by humans, to restore the natural desert flora?
No. It prevents certain areas becoming deserts.
by Erithaca » Thu May 31, 2018 1:43 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Erithaca wrote:No. It prevents certain areas becoming deserts.
That doesn’t answer the question. Ara asked whether désertification in general is banned, which you seem to answer affirmatively. But some areas have been artificially greened. Insofar as restoring those areas would increase the amount of desert, this proposal stops that.
by Wallenburg » Thu May 31, 2018 2:44 pm
Erithaca wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:That doesn’t answer the question. Ara asked whether désertification in general is banned, which you seem to answer affirmatively. But some areas have been artificially greened. Insofar as restoring those areas would increase the amount of desert, this proposal stops that.
Would restoring be allowed under "reasonable measures"?
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu May 31, 2018 3:19 pm
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