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This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

I also tried and failed to do what our friendly local mangrove just did (by about 45 seconds). These were the comments I made on the resolution:

The formatting of it makes baby mangroves cry.

This doesn’t mention oppression of normal liberals and pragmatic centrists.

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

1: Citation needed.

2: Citation needed.

3: This needs considerably more evidence.

4: More nonsense

5: More nonsense

Here the formatting of the resolution inexplicably changes, so that's a drafting problem not to be overlooked, but I'll carry on.

- What evidence is there of rights abuse? Simply saying it exists doesn't mean it does.

- If you don't think there is hope of debate, go look at their RMB. There are far more liberals and non Communists in TCB then there are in MY region.

- Possibly true on the rightist point, but if the Security Council needs to endorse such a dodgy proposal to do it, it's probably not worth it.

- Not a good reason for condemnation

- By condemning a region for no reason that is apparent beyond the fact that it declares itself Communist, thus engaging in the politics of silencing free thought and expression.

- Wording is clumsy, this is an unproven allegation and completely irrelevant. Many regions are internally dictatorial on NS (and TCB probably doesn't even qualify), what has TCB done here to earn a condemnation that the others haven't?

- Evidence of this rights violation should be provided if this shambolic and stupid attempt at a condemnation is to have even a hope of passing.

- None of the final list of things have any evidence provided for them. The last two lines are again, differently formatted for no discernable reason.



In short, this is the worst attempt at a resolution I have ever seen debated by this Council, and that's saying a lot. I'm sure my fellow WA members will vote it down like the miserable steaming sack of manure it is.

Tinhampton wrote:I also tried and failed to do what our friendly local mangrove just did (by about 45 seconds). These were the comments I made on the resolution:

This resolution hereby cond---erm, will be at vote between the 23rd and 27th of May. Nota bene: It was submitted by a nation dwelling in The Iron Fortress, self-proclaimed headquarters "for the Fascist movement on NationStates and the struggle against the Communist plague." I personally find this resolution less a condemnation of TCB from "this august body" as a condemnation of Communism itself from TIR.

In other words, it's a badly written piece of political propaganda endorsed by an out-and-out Fascist movement masquerading as a resolution.


Seriously, not even a shred of evidence is provided here that would make this condemnation worthwhile, and half the allegations are things most regions on NS will do anyway, to some extent, without condemnation. How low the Fascists of NS must stoop in their attempt to use the Security Council to victimise their enemies.

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

Well me, being a democratic communist nation here on the website, find this very misleading. I had already discussed this in a factbook and had talked about what was wrong with it. And speaking of it being misleading, a lot of this stuff is quite wrong. We had never contributed to the fall of peaceful nations, we are just as peaceful as everyone else, with our region being a mix of random banter and RPing. We have never supported terrorism on such a large scale, and some of our nations are democratic, as well as the region, being able to vote for our own leaders. However, the reason being why they want to condemn us is something personal about them which I will not say for privacy reasons. So, just like some other people here saying how this is utter nonsense, I completely agree with all of you. Of course, this is just my opinion. So you may agree or disagree with me as much as you may like.

Ransium wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

Overwhelming Opinion!? Seriously!? This is only the fascist regions, with underdeveloped claims nonetheless, who are saying these things.

The Autonomous Region of Helsinki wrote:

Ransium wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:

Overwhelming Opinion!? Seriously!? This is only the fascist regions, with underdeveloped claims nonetheless, who are saying these things.

I have a sneaking feeling that the overwhelming opinion of the World Assembly will be revealed when it votes down en masse this ludicrously stupid proposal.

Cedoria wrote:

The Autonomous Region of Helsinki wrote:Overwhelming Opinion!? Seriously!? This is only the fascist regions, with underdeveloped claims nonetheless, who are saying these things.

I have a sneaking feeling that the overwhelming opinion of the World Assembly will be revealed when it votes down en masse this ludicrously stupid proposal.

That I agree with. These claims are just weak, and unproven during my time in TCB.

My day has come

Malk Reich wrote:My day has come

Your day?

Bonjour,

I would like to note that I am not a Fascist. I am a Constitutional Monarchist. I have sat idly by for years watching TBS and the Red Fleet destroy noble regions, democratic regions, centrist regions, and rightist regions. Simply put, along with the North Korean Peoples Army and the MT Army ( about whom I am in the process of writing about) TBC and The Red Fleet's actions will not be tolerated. NS cannot simply standby while this nonsense goes on.

Au Revoir,
Violent Mob

Violent Mob wrote:Bonjour,

I would like to note that I am not a Fascist. I am a Constitutional Monarchist. I have sat idly by for years watching TBS and the Red Fleet destroy noble regions, democratic regions, centrist regions, and rightist regions. Simply put, along with the North Korean Peoples Army and the MT Army ( about whom I am in the process of writing about) TBC and The Red Fleet's actions will not be tolerated. NS cannot simply standby while this nonsense goes on.

Au Revoir,
Violent Mob

The Communist Bloc is not presently part of The Red Fleet I don't think. Nor is it presently aligned with The Internationale or it's affiliate regions. Practically the only region which is aligned politically with TRF members that has any diplomatic relationship with The Communist Bloc at all is my own.


Those other regions and organisations you mention are not the subject of this condemnation. I strongly recommend withdrawing this ludicrous proposal so as to avoid the embarassment of it being voted down, and focusing your effort on more worthy pursuits.


Also, you've still presented no evidence to verify your claim that TCB has done any of the things you accuse them of.

Cedoria wrote:

Violent Mob wrote:Bonjour,

I would like to note that I am not a Fascist. I am a Constitutional Monarchist. I have sat idly by for years watching TBS and the Red Fleet destroy noble regions, democratic regions, centrist regions, and rightist regions. Simply put, along with the North Korean Peoples Army and the MT Army ( about whom I am in the process of writing about) TBC and The Red Fleet's actions will not be tolerated. NS cannot simply standby while this nonsense goes on.

Au Revoir,
Violent Mob

The Communist Bloc is not presently part of The Red Fleet I don't think. Nor is it presently aligned with The Internationale or it's affiliate regions. Practically the only region which is aligned politically with TRF members that has any diplomatic relationship with The Communist Bloc at all is my own.


Those other regions and organisations you mention are not the subject of this condemnation. I strongly recommend withdrawing this ludicrous proposal so as to avoid the embarassment of it being voted down, and focusing your effort on more worthy pursuits.


Also, you've still presented no evidence to verify your claim that TCB has done any of the things you accuse them of.

There is no embarrassment. We have already won. Who cares of the proposal does not pass. The mere act of over 120 delegates approving it, including some of the original game regions, shows that NS knows the truth. The red blindfold is off. Welcome world, to t he Dawn

Violent Mob wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
The Communist Bloc is not presently part of The Red Fleet I don't think. Nor is it presently aligned with The Internationale or it's affiliate regions. Practically the only region which is aligned politically with TRF members that has any diplomatic relationship with The Communist Bloc at all is my own.


Those other regions and organisations you mention are not the subject of this condemnation. I strongly recommend withdrawing this ludicrous proposal so as to avoid the embarassment of it being voted down, and focusing your effort on more worthy pursuits.


Also, you've still presented no evidence to verify your claim that TCB has done any of the things you accuse them of.

There is no embarrassment. We have already won. Who cares of the proposal does not pass. The mere act of over 120 delegates approving it, including some of the original game regions, shows that NS knows the truth. The red blindfold is off. Welcome world, to t he Dawn

Ha, yeah, right. Keep dreaming buddy. In the meantime, I think your tune will change when this abomination of a proposal gets massively voted down for the junk that it is...


Also, plenty of Delegates approve proposals for all kinds of reasons, it doesn't mean it's good. We had one a while back that got approved for Quorum simply because it was so badly written and the proposer such a spammer that people wanted the pleasure of sending a message by voting it down in a landslide.

Cedoria wrote:

Violent Mob wrote:There is no embarrassment. We have already won. Who cares of the proposal does not pass. The mere act of over 120 delegates approving it, including some of the original game regions, shows that NS knows the truth. The red blindfold is off. Welcome world, to t he Dawn

Ha, yeah, right. Keep dreaming buddy. In the meantime, I think your tune will change when this abomination of a proposal gets massively voted down for the junk that it is...


Also, plenty of Delegates approve proposals for all kinds of reasons, it doesn't mean it's good. We had one a while back that got approved for Quorum simply because it was so badly written and the proposer such a spammer that people wanted the pleasure of sending a message by voting it down in a landslide.

Denial if both a river in Egypt and your state of mind.

Violent Mob wrote:

Cedoria wrote:
Ha, yeah, right. Keep dreaming buddy. In the meantime, I think your tune will change when this abomination of a proposal gets massively voted down for the junk that it is...


Also, plenty of Delegates approve proposals for all kinds of reasons, it doesn't mean it's good. We had one a while back that got approved for Quorum simply because it was so badly written and the proposer such a spammer that people wanted the pleasure of sending a message by voting it down in a landslide.

Denial if both a river in Egypt and your state of mind.

Yeah. OK.

In the meantime, provide some evidence for your claims in this resolution, and I'll debate them. That's what I'm here for, not to trade petty taunts. Otherwise, you can admit this resolution is a waste of everybody's time and go home. If this proposal is the best the Fascists of NS can do, then frankly it's no wonder they're losing this fight.

Violent Mob, I can switch you to OP of this thread if you’d like.

Ransium wrote:Violent Mob, I can switch you to OP of this thread if you’d like.

Go ahead

This proposal is adorable.

Violent Mob wrote:There is no embarrassment. We have already won. Who cares of [sic] the proposal does not pass. The mere act of over 120 delegates approving it, including some of the original game regions, shows that NS knows the truth. The red blindfold is off. Welcome world, to t he Dawn

Getting 120 delegates to vote for a proposal doesn't mean that, as you broadly put it, that "NS knows the truth". That's a little more than 6% of all current delegates, You still got 94% of the delegates, plus the individual nations assuming said nations aren't banjected for picking the "wrong" option. Many resolutions that get in quorum are shot down or barely pass when being voted on.

Also, which delegates from the original game regions approved it?



Now, for my criticism of the resolution itself. Much of it is unsupported considering you didn't give the proposal time to have a draft thread to be debated upon, especially on these allegations.

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

"Overwhelming opinion". What? This hasn't even been put through the actual vote, the true illustration of opinion of the World Assembly, when you typed this.

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

Source?

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

How ironic considering the clause RIGHT AFTER this one and a few others.

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

Seriously? Now this proposal has become the de facto condemnation and declaration of an ideology as being "undemocratic" and "in-humane". And you give TCB shiny role as "the Thought Police of NationStates".

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

Source? (Also "contributes"?)

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Source?

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Source?

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

So, is this why you didn't make a draft thread?

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

What did I read? I'm confused... It's 10pm ;-;

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Depends on the validity of clause #5.

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

And you do so by using the World Assembly to silence free thought and expression with the "undemocratic and in-humane ideology" clause. Not that this attack on free thought is a first, we've had "Liberate KR" and "Liberate Nazi Europa" both doing the same.

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

If violating freedom of thought and right of expression is enough to condemn a region, then I better write one for you now.

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

And what harm can you prove?

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

Soooooourrrrrrrrceeeee?

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

This is some unorthodox proposal formatting. In fact, the entire proposal format is unorthodox. Maybe merge all these "hereby condemns" clauses into one. I feel it would make it more impactful.
Either way, all of these need their sources. "This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own" is hypocritical.

I don't know if any of these claims might be obvious to the woke of you in NS politics, but frankly, I don't know much about TCB, or communist regions in general.

My vote will solely be determined by whether TCB wants this or not. Choose wisely

Benevolent Thomas wrote:My vote will solely be determined by whether TCB wants this or not. Choose wisely

They don't. I know the community in question. They are also not presently affiliated with TRF or any other large Leftist military organisation here on NS. My own region has much closer ties with TRF then TCB has had for a long time.

Violent Mob wrote:

Ransium wrote:Violent Mob, I can switch you to OP of this thread if you’d like.

Go ahead

Done.