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Caracasus
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Postby Caracasus » Wed May 23, 2018 6:58 am

Eh, I started out in The Communist Bloc, and while I've not been a resident there for a few years now, the place I remember bears zero resemblance to these baseless accusations. It was (and I assume still broadly is) a decent region with some nice people in it. Aside from a couple of standard spats that you'd find on any RMB, it was a pretty relaxed environment. I even remember (and this would have been quite a while ago now) a reasonably lengthy conversation regarding religion and revolutionary theology - rather discounting the whole "stifles religion" aspect.

Apart from the sentences that quite literally make no sense (I think you mean attributes, not contributes in #4) none of the points hold water if you were to do something as simple as check out the target region - something I'd urge folks to do. They're a decent bunch really. The formatting, content and lack of basic proofreading leaves me amazed this made it to vote.

Quite frankly if the author's region has set itself up as some sort of NS bastion against the red menace and this is the best that can be put together, we might as well break out the red flags and save up some labour vouchers for party supplies.
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Postby New Ex Patria » Wed May 23, 2018 7:30 am

If this resolution even attempted to make valid and evidence-backed points, maybe it would be taken a little more seriously. However, I am just sat here wondering how a resolution of this quality even got near quorum...
Violent Mob wrote:#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

I don't remember the last time I had my thoughts suppressed by TCB. :blink:
Violent Mob wrote:#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Haha... what? Mind providing any sort of backing whatsoever for this?

You know, just reading through this resolution, it's clear that the author and the resolution's supporters are simply using this as a scapegoat for RL communism, and y'know, TCB hasn't actually committed any atrocities against civil rights, political freedoms or personal liberties. I'm sure it's also been noticed this resolution is authored by a member of a fascist region... ah well.
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Postby Agarntrop » Wed May 23, 2018 7:53 am

I would vote for this but I found this:

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism


Which simply isn't true so I'm voting against.

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Postby Cedoria » Wed May 23, 2018 8:08 am

Comlogical wrote:Hey, look at this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1031476

Literally rofl'ing at this rn

And anyone who thinks Barry is a Socialist has never read one of his books, or heard him elaborate on his political positions before.
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Postby Cedoria » Wed May 23, 2018 8:11 am

Caracasus wrote:Eh, I started out in The Communist Bloc, and while I've not been a resident there for a few years now, the place I remember bears zero resemblance to these baseless accusations. It was (and I assume still broadly is) a decent region with some nice people in it. Aside from a couple of standard spats that you'd find on any RMB, it was a pretty relaxed environment. I even remember (and this would have been quite a while ago now) a reasonably lengthy conversation regarding religion and revolutionary theology - rather discounting the whole "stifles religion" aspect.

Apart from the sentences that quite literally make no sense (I think you mean attributes, not contributes in #4) none of the points hold water if you were to do something as simple as check out the target region - something I'd urge folks to do. They're a decent bunch really. The formatting, content and lack of basic proofreading leaves me amazed this made it to vote.

Quite frankly if the author's region has set itself up as some sort of NS bastion against the red menace and this is the best that can be put together, we might as well break out the red flags and save up some labour vouchers for party supplies.

I concur with the sentiments of my dear comrade Caracasus. Anybody who thinks the stupid accusations made in this proposal have proof should look at TCB's RMB. Whatever our learned WA friends think of their political position, they are easily one of the more open Leftist regions on this site (far more open than I would be if I were them, certainly)>

Just a few days ago a couple of members of the Iron Fortress shifted into the region for an hour or so trying to troll them with the threat of this proposal passing, instead of banning or suppressing, TCB argued vigorously against the claims, and rebutted the slanderous attempts to accuse them by iron-fisted Fascists. I saw this first-hand when defending them from the Fascists on their RMB. That incident alone should convince any waverers that this Condemnation is a waste of this esteemed Assembly's time.


Good news is it appears to be in a situation where it's being shot down in flames at the vote, that's good.
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Postby Ithreland » Wed May 23, 2018 8:26 am

Violent Mob wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly (emphasis mine)


My region isn't specifically religious, but a number of us within it are. We would prefer that your stupidity inanity not involve us.
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Postby Ransium » Wed May 23, 2018 9:22 am

Ithreland wrote:
Violent Mob wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:



My region isn't specifically religious, but a number of us within it are. We would prefer that your stupidity inanity not involve us.


Attack the quality of the resolution all you want, but personal attacks on the author, striked or not, bring you into flaming territory. Let’s all stay away from there please.
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Postby Marksista » Wed May 23, 2018 10:35 am

This is just anti-leftist propaganda.
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Postby Taviana SSR » Wed May 23, 2018 10:36 am

Never shall this imperialist legislation be forced upon us!!! If it should pass, we together with our region will leave the reactionary WA.
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Postby Caracasus » Wed May 23, 2018 10:39 am

Marksista wrote:This is just anti-leftist propaganda.


It is.

Taviana SSR wrote:Never shall this imperialist legislation be forced upon us!!! If it should pass, we together with our region will leave the reactionary WA.


It won't.

Further to points raised by Cedoria - it's well worth checking out and comparing the constitution and RMB rules of The Communist Bloc to those of the Iron Fortress - the region this condemnation originated from. Compare those two and figure out which one resembles the authoritarian hellscape painted by this resolution the most.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 23, 2018 10:40 am

Cedoria wrote:
Comlogical wrote:Hey, look at this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1031476

Literally rofl'ing at this rn

And anyone who thinks Barry is a Socialist has never read one of his books, or heard him elaborate on his political positions before.

So, who else here has actually read Jennifer Government?
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 23, 2018 10:42 am

Taviana SSR wrote:Never shall this imperialist legislation be forced upon us!!! If it should pass, we together with our region will leave the reactionary WA.

WA? Reactionary? You Stalinists are hilarious.
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Postby Hessere » Wed May 23, 2018 10:43 am

Agarntrop wrote:I would vote for this but I found this:

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism


Which simply isn't true so I'm voting against.

Plus a slew of other reasons if you payed attention to some of the more notable replies on this thread :P
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Postby Marksista » Wed May 23, 2018 10:56 am

I find it very laughable that someone from The Iron Fortress, a Fascist region, is attempting to condemn TCB on the basis that they're all Communists, despite the fact that TCB houses many different types of leftists.

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Postby Joushiki Nante Iranai » Wed May 23, 2018 11:11 am

Apparently, the person putting this up to vote is a Fascist. How ironic.

However, what's even more ironic is the fact they say:
This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
While also saying:
Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions
And finally:
Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

I am clearly Against this resolution.
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Postby West Leas Oros » Wed May 23, 2018 11:29 am

Joushiki Nante Iranai wrote:Apparently, the person putting this up to vote is a Fascist. How ironic.

However, what's even more ironic is the fact they say:
This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
While also saying:
Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions
And finally:
Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

I am clearly Against this resolution.

Are we seriously turning this into another Antifa circlejerk?
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Postby Razzle Dazzle » Wed May 23, 2018 12:15 pm

New Ex Patria wrote:I don't remember the last time I had my thoughts suppressed by TCB. :blink:

Well, of course not. If they suppressed your thoughts, your memories of it would also be suppressed. Obviously :p
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Ex-Nation

Postby Krennia » Wed May 23, 2018 1:06 pm

We oppose this resolution
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Postby Dio Infinito » Wed May 23, 2018 1:08 pm

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Postby Krennia » Wed May 23, 2018 1:39 pm

Violent Mob it’s funny to see one undemocratic Communist nation accuse an undemocratic Communist bloc of abuse of human rights & crimes against humanity. We vote against

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Postby Xekland » Wed May 23, 2018 5:12 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Joushiki Nante Iranai wrote:Apparently, the person putting this up to vote is a Fascist. How ironic.

However, what's even more ironic is the fact they say: While also saying: And finally:
I am clearly Against this resolution.

Are we seriously turning this into another Antifa circlejerk?


What's wrong with Antifa? My grandpappy fought a war to stamp out fascism. While part of the reason he did so was to prevent me from having to fight another one later on, I'm perfectly willing to do so.
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Postby Karathi » Wed May 23, 2018 5:13 pm

Cedoria wrote:
HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc


1: Citation needed.

2: Citation needed.

3: This needs considerably more evidence.

4: More nonsense

5: More nonsense

Here the formatting of the resolution inexplicably changes, so that's a drafting problem not to be overlooked, but I'll carry on.

- What evidence is there of rights abuse? Simply saying it exists doesn't mean it does.

- If you don't think there is hope of debate, go look at their RMB. There are far more liberals and non Communists in TCB then there are in MY region.

- Possibly true on the rightist point, but if the Security Council needs to endorse such a dodgy proposal to do it, it's probably not worth it.

- Not a good reason for condemnation

- By condemning a region for no reason that is apparent beyond the fact that it declares itself Communist, thus engaging in the politics of silencing free thought and expression.

- Wording is clumsy, this is an unproven allegation and completely irrelevant. Many regions are internally dictatorial on NS (and TCB probably doesn't even qualify), what has TCB done here to earn a condemnation that the others haven't?

- Evidence of this rights violation should be provided if this shambolic and stupid attempt at a condemnation is to have even a hope of passing.

- None of the final list of things have any evidence provided for them. The last two lines are again, differently formatted for no discernable reason.



In short, this is the worst attempt at a resolution I have ever seen debated by this Council, and that's saying a lot. I'm sure my fellow WA members will vote it down like the miserable steaming sack of manure it is.


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Postby Shaktirajya » Wed May 23, 2018 6:05 pm

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote AGAINST this resolution on the grounds that it hinders free-speech and the free-flow of ideas. Note that despite the leftist orientation of Our nation, We have also voted against the condemnation of 'National-Socialist' and Fascist regions for the same reasons.

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Postby RiderSyl » Wed May 23, 2018 6:09 pm

Karathi wrote:literally acting like a child putting his fingers in his ears "not listening!!!!111"


Oh look, a nation that resides in a region that calls itself "a dedicated Fascist region" has come to defend a proposal written by a member of a region that calls itself "the interlock for the Fascist movement on NationStates".

Seriously, are there any non-fascists vocally supporting this proposal? Anyone?
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