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San Macalin
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Postby San Macalin » Wed May 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Incoherent and poorly written.
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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Wed May 23, 2018 9:22 pm

For further proof that this condemnation is sponsored by violently intolerant Fascists who are attempting to use this august Council to victimise an innocent region, check out the following quote from the RMB of The Iron Fortress, from it's member Order of Crusaders

Both Nations voting against Condemn The Communist Bloc have been ejected. Our main message is anti-communism, and if they voted against our region, FOR COMMUNISM, then they are traitors.


With such proof, ask yourselves, who are the intolerant ones here, The Communist Bloc? Or that region which ejects it's members for daring to vote differently on a resolution while hypocritically condemning others for a suppression of free expression that they do not engage in?


Yet more reason why this ridiculous proposal ought to be consigned to the garbage heap of history. The Leftist Assembly stands firmly against the victimisation of innocent regions by fascist opportunists.
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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Wed May 23, 2018 9:23 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Karathi wrote:literally acting like a child putting his fingers in his ears "not listening!!!!111"


Oh look, a nation that resides in a region that calls itself "a dedicated Fascist region" has come to defend a proposal written by a member of a region that calls itself "the interlock for the Fascist movement on NationStates".

Seriously, are there any non-fascists vocally supporting this proposal? Anyone?

It should not be shocking that only those with ulterior motives support this joke of a proposal.
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Adjacenta
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Postby Adjacenta » Wed May 23, 2018 11:50 pm

This has to be a joke. So much contradiction.

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Postby Alcohol-Related Misconduct » Thu May 24, 2018 1:08 am

Cedoria wrote:For further proof that this condemnation is sponsored by violently intolerant Fascists


Isn't that a little hypocritical of you Ceddy?

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Triangle And Square
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Postby Triangle And Square » Thu May 24, 2018 2:27 am

TNP's viewpoint on this:

The proposed condemnation of The Communist Bloc is a poorly written and fairly biased attempt at idelological revenge. The proposal does not substantiate its various presented arguments, but rather presents statements with what can reasonably be assessed as a confirmation bias. While we do not condone any malicious or anti-democratic acts by any region within the greater NS community, the content of this condemnation does not stand on its own to justify its passing.

Due to the reasons stated above, the Ministry of WA Affairs recommends a vote Against this condemnation.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu May 24, 2018 3:26 am

Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
Cedoria wrote:For further proof that this condemnation is sponsored by violently intolerant Fascists


Isn't that a little hypocritical of you Ceddy?


Oh, I remember you from when you argued in support of repealing Liberate Kaiserreich (very poorly).
Now you're in here, and a member of "the interlock for the Fascist movement on NationStates". What a surprise.

Also I doubt you're on a pet name basis with Cedoria, so cut it out.
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Postby Comlogical » Thu May 24, 2018 4:38 am

Hey look, someone made me a sponsor on that dispatch regarding "Liberate The Conservative Christians" lol

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Postby Federatsiya » Thu May 24, 2018 4:41 am

Comlogical wrote:Hey look, someone made me a sponsor on that dispatch regarding "Liberate The Conservative Christians" lol



Eh, they don't like people talking about it. Stalked the RMB, full on.

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 4:46 am

Xekland wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Are we seriously turning this into another Antifa circlejerk?


What's wrong with Antifa? My grandpappy fought a war to stamp out fascism. While part of the reason he did so was to prevent me from having to fight another one later on, I'm perfectly willing to do so.

Wow. You must be soooo brave and virtuous, willing to beat up those EVIL people that disagree with you. It’s not like fascism is an ill defined smear word, and a justification to be violent against people you dislike.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
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Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Alcohol-Related Misconduct » Thu May 24, 2018 4:52 am

RiderSyl wrote:Also I doubt you're on a pet name basis with Cedoria, so cut it out.


Don't tell me how to live my life

(Also, it's not so much that I am a member of/for anything. I just hate commies.)

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 4:57 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
Isn't that a little hypocritical of you Ceddy?


Oh, I remember you from when you argued in support of repealing Liberate Kaiserreich (very poorly).
Now you're in here, and a member of "the interlock for the Fascist movement on NationStates". What a surprise.

Also I doubt you're on a pet name basis with Cedoria, so cut it out.

As a card carrying communist, I also argued in support of repealing liberate KR, and I can assure you, this arrogance and ideological crusading will end up hurting everyone.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Alcohol-Related Misconduct » Thu May 24, 2018 5:05 am

West Leas Oros wrote:this arrogance and ideological crusading will end up hurting everyone.


What do you mean "will end up"?

The hurt has been done, the hurt was started by the regressive leftists. Of course this is retaliation. Of course it was inevitable. Of course everyone's going to get hurt. This is exactly what I said would happen at the start of this mess. But if this corrupt, tyranny by majority, left-wing, SJW echo chamber wants to fight, I'm not just gonna close my eyes and think of England.

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 5:09 am

Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:this arrogance and ideological crusading will end up hurting everyone.


What do you mean "will end up"?

The hurt has been done, the hurt was started by the regressive leftists. Of course this is retaliation. Of course it was inevitable. Of course everyone's going to get hurt. This is exactly what I said would happen at the start of this mess. But if this corrupt, tyranny by majority, left-wing, SJW echo chamber wants to fight, I'm not just gonna close my eyes and think of England.

I’m saying that this merciless raiding, unfair censorship, and all that, despite already causing problems, will eventually come back to haunt those that originally supported it. This crusade is little more than an ideological witch hunt, akin to McCarthyism. And I will not let that happen.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Alcohol-Related Misconduct » Thu May 24, 2018 5:13 am

West Leas Oros wrote:This crusade is little more than an ideological witch hunt


Yes, and my advice is grab a pitchfork because it's only going to get worse.

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 5:15 am

Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:This crusade is little more than an ideological witch hunt


Yes, and my advice is grab a pitchfork because it's only going to get worse.

I’m trying to raise an army to fight against the likes of the fleet that shall not be named and the Marinara Terrorist Army. So far, the red fascists are winning.
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Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Thu May 24, 2018 7:24 am

Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
Cedoria wrote:For further proof that this condemnation is sponsored by violently intolerant Fascists


Isn't that a little hypocritical of you Ceddy?

I don't see why, I didn't banject the player in my region who argued for a vote in favour of the resolution. My position and that of my region has been transparent and open in this debate from the start. Your pals in The Iron Fortress can't say the same.
In real life I am a libertarian socialist/democratic socialist
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Likes: Freedom of speech, Freedom of Expression, Direct Democracy, Worker Owned Cooperatives, Secularism, Anti-Theism, Freedom of civil disobediance, Libertarian Socialism, Social equity for minorities.

Dislikes: Neo-Conservatism, Neo-Liberalism, Stalinism, Capitalism, American Exceptionalism, Most world leaders, Religious bigotry, Despots of virtually any kind, Imperialism, Putinism, Economic Inequality, Identity Politics, Fascism and assorted far-right movements.

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Cedoria
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Postby Cedoria » Thu May 24, 2018 7:27 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:
Yes, and my advice is grab a pitchfork because it's only going to get worse.

I’m trying to raise an army to fight against the likes of the fleet that shall not be named and the Marinara Terrorist Army. So far, the red fascists are winning.

Perhaps consider discussing something relevant to the resolution, like, you know, TCB? Who are not part of The Red Fleet or MT Army.
In real life I am a libertarian socialist/democratic socialist
★Comrade of the Commonwealth of Socialist States (CSS)★
Likes: Freedom of speech, Freedom of Expression, Direct Democracy, Worker Owned Cooperatives, Secularism, Anti-Theism, Freedom of civil disobediance, Libertarian Socialism, Social equity for minorities.

Dislikes: Neo-Conservatism, Neo-Liberalism, Stalinism, Capitalism, American Exceptionalism, Most world leaders, Religious bigotry, Despots of virtually any kind, Imperialism, Putinism, Economic Inequality, Identity Politics, Fascism and assorted far-right movements.

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West Leas Oros
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Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 7:56 am

Cedoria wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:I’m trying to raise an army to fight against the likes of the fleet that shall not be named and the Marinara Terrorist Army. So far, the red fascists are winning.

Perhaps consider discussing something relevant to the resolution, like, you know, TCB? Who are not part of The Red Fleet or MT Army.

I know they aren’t a part of those bastardized “communists” TCB is worthy of a commendation. Heck, they deserve TRF’s commendation. TCB should be the representative for NS Communists, as they deserve to represent our ideology more than a bunch of merciless raiders.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Toshavo
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Postby Toshavo » Thu May 24, 2018 11:13 am

It appears even the freedom of speech and ideology does not matter to the WA, eh? How did this even get pass?
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Thu May 24, 2018 11:14 am

Toshavo wrote:It appears even the freedom of speech and ideology does not matter to the WA, eh? How did this even get pass?

You only just realized that? This ideological crusading has been going on for a while now.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Nakayo
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Ex-Nation

Postby Nakayo » Thu May 24, 2018 1:24 pm

This issue looks like it got enough votes to pass before anyone had time to check if it was a legal proposal.

Or it is just the ugliest loophole I have ever seen.

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Nakayo
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Postby Nakayo » Thu May 24, 2018 2:26 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1031476

This dispatch proves the stupidity of The Iron Fortress. Is it possible to condemn regions for telling lies?

Tip for The Iron Fortress: Do your research next time. The sudden change in votes for the liberation was due to the withdrawal of native support.
The only native nation left in the region that was to be liberated made an agreement, making the WA-resolution unnecessary.

And if you don't like this 'political website', just f*ck off man.

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Coaequales
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Absolutely Ridiculous

Postby Coaequales » Thu May 24, 2018 2:35 pm

Can we not turn the WA into a "condemn people who's politics I don't like" council? This proposal was obviously written by a pathetic right-winger who's mad he can't insult minorities on TCB RMB.
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Nakayo
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Postby Nakayo » Thu May 24, 2018 2:46 pm

Coaequales wrote:Can we not turn the WA into a "condemn people who's politics I don't like" council? This proposal was obviously written by a pathetic right-winger who's mad he can't insult minorities on TCB RMB.


I was just joking. It is indeed obvious and it makes me wish the security council got a new kind of resolution to fight this kind of almost-trolling.

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