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Cedoria
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cedoria » Fri May 25, 2018 5:19 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:
It's not corrupt, of course it's tyranny by majority, most of NS is left-wing, "SJW" means nothing anymore, the SC is far from an echo chamber, the SC isn't fighting you by voting down this garbage, and leave England out of this.

1. While not corrupt, several extremist communists have been currying favor in the WA
2. I have no problem with leftists on NS, but a certain group called the NS Left, a coalition of terrorists.
3. SJW may be misused, but their overall ideals are similar to those championed by the NS Left
4. Actually, no. The SC shows a clear bias. La Nav’s Neoliberation debacle proves the SC is politically charged.
5. True, but what does it say when regions with unpopular opinions are liberated on ideological grounds? How is this different? It’s not even a liberation, but we can apparently only condemn ideologies you disagree.



1: All people of all ideologies try to get the WA to align with them, in the Security Council especially. There is nothing abnormal or wrong about it, and this proposal is certainly an attempt by Fascists to do that.
2: Personal opinion, and not relevant to this thread.
3: Irrelevant.
4: Of course it is politically charged, it's meant to be, but the difference is only between those who succeed and those who fail. For now at least, the Security Council has inclined to favour groups like TRF and their goals as opposed to groups like The Iron Fortress. I happen to think that's the right course, but others can and do disagree and try to change it.
5: Condemnations are meant to be for regions that do things the SC might condemnable, not mere ideological grounds. TCB's condemnation attempt is quite explicitly motivated purely by ideology. Liberate KR and Nazi Europa at least had grounds that could be clearly articulated by their proponents, and evidence to support those positions, neither of which exists here. I opposed the 'Condemn Iron Fortress' proposal recently drawn up because I don't think they're important enough to be worth it (irritating though they are in wasting the Council's time with this joke of a proposal). Usually pure ideology alone is not good grounds for a Condemnation, and this useless garbage of a Resolution is a particularly grotesque example of what happens when it gets into Quorum.
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Cedoria
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cedoria » Fri May 25, 2018 5:19 am

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cedoria wrote:
I don't see why The Red Fleet should be prevented from attacking violent Fascist regions. But this is not an argument relevant to The Communist Bloc and this thread, since they are not a member, and not particularly friendly with The Red Fleet anyway. I've certainly got my issues with some members of some regions who align with TRF, no question about that, but they also do much good work that I support. One needn't throw out the good along with the bad.

Discuss TRF and our relations with them in another thread if you wish however, as this is veering wildly off topic.

While I would very much love to debate why you are wrong about TRF, you are right, this is wildly off topic.

Happy to debate you about it, but let's start a thread in Gameplay or somewhere else if you like.
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Postby Ransium » Fri May 25, 2018 6:25 am

I realize the proposal is written so as to invite this, but Alcohol Related Misconduct and others, if you want to discuss RL communism or RL politics take it to General.
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Postby Barrenjastan » Fri May 25, 2018 7:19 am

Death to communists!

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Postby Gospel Power » Fri May 25, 2018 7:22 am

But this a Nice place, I don't heard that they force people to be communists, if this ban purpose is only to ban this region because of ideology differences that is sad
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri May 25, 2018 8:08 am

Gospel Power wrote:But this a Nice place, I don't heard that they force people to be communists, if this ban purpose is only to ban this region because of ideology differences that is sad

The Security Council cannot ban anything. It can only Commend, Condemn and Liberate regions (and C&C nations), all three of which give their recipients shiny badges and nothing more (except for Liberations, which remove Delegate-imposed passwords.)
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Postby Tara Taranilor Romani » Fri May 25, 2018 8:12 am

You forgot the corruption present in that "democratic region"
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Postby Nakayo » Fri May 25, 2018 9:25 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Alcohol-Related Misconduct wrote:one of you say "that's not real communism"


Again, I never said that. Let's replace communism with something else that has different versions, to sum up how absurd you've acted here:

Me: "There are actually different versions of the iPhone."
You: "You're saying it's not a real iPhone!"
Me: "... no, I'm not. There are just different versions."
You: "How can you say that's not a real iPhone?"
Other people: "That's not what they said. You're just making stuff up."
You: "This is a game! One of you said it's not a real iPhone, and now I'm being accused of making things up!"

I don't why you couldn't process a simple comment of mine, but because you couldn't, this whole mess has happened.
So thanks for that.


Give up, the guy is called Alcohol-Related Misconduct. Let him rot in his skull.

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Postby West Leas Oros » Fri May 25, 2018 9:26 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:But this a Nice place, I don't heard that they force people to be communists, if this ban purpose is only to ban this region because of ideology differences that is sad

The Security Council cannot ban anything. It can only Commend, Condemn and Liberate regions (and C&C nations), all three of which give their recipients shiny badges and nothing more (except for Liberations, which remove Delegate-imposed passwords.)

A liberation is somewhat of a ban, but I find it more similar to a coup de etat
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Postby Atrides » Fri May 25, 2018 2:45 pm

People love to call each other "fascist".

The word have lost so much of it's original meaning that if true fascism returns nobody will even care.

And if you disagree with me you are a fascist! I have the right opinion, who have not my opinion is a nazi, fascist scum and must be silent in the name of the freedom for the people!
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Mother Knows Best State

Postby RiderSyl » Fri May 25, 2018 4:14 pm

Atrides wrote:People love to call each other "fascist".

The word have lost so much of it's original meaning that if true fascism returns nobody will even care.

And if you disagree with me you are a fascist! I have the right opinion, who have not my opinion is a nazi, fascist scum and must be silent in the name of the freedom for the people!


If you call yourself a fascist somewhere else though, and we find it, then we'll call you one too.
That's the situation here. :p Members of self-proclaimed fascist regions are supporting this.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cedoria » Fri May 25, 2018 9:54 pm

Atrides wrote:People love to call each other "fascist".

The word have lost so much of it's original meaning that if true fascism returns nobody will even care.

And if you disagree with me you are a fascist! I have the right opinion, who have not my opinion is a nazi, fascist scum and must be silent in the name of the freedom for the people!



"The Iron Fortress is the interlock for the Fascist movement on NationStates and the struggle against the Communist plague. A disease that continues to infect and corrupt the civilized world, destroying culture and propagating marxist, anarchist, and other far left ideologies."
- Direct quote from the WFE of The Iron Fortress.

We don't call them Fascists, they call themselves that. They bring the label upon themselves.
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Postby Cedoria » Fri May 25, 2018 9:56 pm

Tara Taranilor Romani wrote:You forgot the corruption present in that "democratic region"

Without proof, such accusations are worthless.
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California Prime
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Wow

Postby California Prime » Fri May 25, 2018 11:46 pm

Until I read a few dozen or so posts on this forum, I wasn't even sure if the issue was some kind of elaborate joke or something.

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Postby California Prime » Sat May 26, 2018 12:18 am

Comlogical wrote:Hey, look at this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1031476

Literally rofl'ing at this rn

LOL nice to see that the right wing penchant for playing the "victim of the big lefty conspiracy!" card is just as prevalent in NS as it is in real life.

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Postby Azadistan-land of the free » Sat May 26, 2018 12:22 am

Violent Mob wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:

HEREBY SUBMITTED AS A TESTAMENT OF THE OVERWHELMING OPINION OF THE WORLD ASSEMBLY
This resolution does the following

#1 Notes that The Communist Bloc has contributed to the death of democratic regions and right wing regions.

#2 Notes that the Communist Bloc has assumed the role of thought police on NationStates

#3 Recognizes the danger of the spread of the undemocratic and in-humane ideology of Communism throughout the World Assembly

#4 Contributes the fall of glorious regions of peace and democracy to the Communist Bloc

#5 Notes the breaches of religious rights to all religions

Notes the history of civil liberties and rights abuse by the Communist Bloc

Recognizing that there is no hope of debate within said region

Affirming that a condemnation by the nations of the world and of the Security Council will boost its reputation within the freedom-loving, downtrodden, and the rightist regions.

Affirming that by passing this resolution the religious regions of the World Assembly will be indebted to the Security Council and the World Assembly

Calling on the World Assembly to stop itself form becoming dominated by the politics of silencing free thought and expression

Recognizing that the World Assembly is the haven of free thought by which sovereign nations have the right of expression, and condemns The Communist Bloc of cravenly violating its hallowed halls

Recognizing that The Communist Bloc must be reminded of its place, as a region of equal standing with any other , and this resolution will permanently remind them of the harm they caused to their fellow regions

Furthermore condemns the Communist Bloc of shamefully crushing democracy

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of egregious crimes against humanity

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of the violation of civil rights and liberties

This resolution hereby condemns The Communist Bloc of state-sponsored terrorism

This resolution condemns The Communist Bloc as engaging in silencing opinions and ideas that do not conform to their own
This Resolution Formally Condemns The Communist Bloc

what proof is there of this?(there may be proof but what?)

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat May 26, 2018 1:58 am

California Prime wrote:
Comlogical wrote:Hey, look at this:
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1031476

Literally rofl'ing at this rn

LOL nice to see that the right wing penchant for playing the "victim of the big lefty conspiracy!" card is just as prevalent in NS as it is in real life.


They're also leaving out meaningful context. The vote swing in "Liberate The Conservative Christians" that they're calling "leftist corruption" happened because the region that Tinhampton was trying to Liberate was freed in the middle of the voting stage. The victims in The Conservative Christians told people they were freed. Tinhampton himself said for people to switch their votes to against so his bill wouldn't pass. Not to mention, "Liberate The Conservative Christians" was a religiously-charged issue, not a politically-charged one.

The founder of that fascist region just saw a vote swing in a bill that had "Conservative" in the title and decided to politicize it to push an agenda.

Considering all the bullshit The Iron Fortress has pulled in the past week, I'm really starting to understand why so many people love "bashing the fash".
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sat May 26, 2018 5:51 am

The Autonomous Region of Helsinki wrote:
Ransium wrote:This resolution is authored by Violent Mob and is now in queue and next up:


Overwhelming Opinion!? Seriously!? This is only the fascist regions, with underdeveloped claims nonetheless, who are saying these things.

Fascist regions really don't hate red regions as much as libertarian regions do
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Postby Hatterleigh » Sat May 26, 2018 5:55 am

Honestly, I think it's pretty stupid to condemn a country for an ideology. I mean, they aren't real countries dude. Let them do what they please, and it's clear that they aren't some sort of big scary raider group as confirmed by all the lads in the comments.
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Postby Democratic Republic of Cacusia » Sat May 26, 2018 5:57 am

Violent Mob wrote:
Ransium wrote:Violent Mob, I can switch you to OP of this thread if you’d like.

Go ahead

You cannot simply condemn an upstanding region for an ideology that you disagree with.

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Postby Nakayo » Sat May 26, 2018 8:13 am

Democratic Republic of Cacusia wrote:
Violent Mob wrote:Go ahead

You cannot simply condemn an upstanding region for an ideology that you disagree with.


I don't think he will listen to (y)our advice unfortunately. Not too long ago someone on this forum told me the world assembly becomes whatever players use it for. This is sadly true.

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Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Sat May 26, 2018 8:52 pm

The rushing WA delegate runs in the hall to change his vote stumbles against two chairs and a secretary. "We will vote Against after the new evidence." Ideology and the region r 2 different things.

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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Cedoria » Sat May 26, 2018 9:02 pm

Aaand it failed. Good riddance. Let's all move on shall we?
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Postby Ransium » Sat May 26, 2018 9:20 pm

"Condemn The Communist Bloc" was defeated 14,953 votes to 4,184.

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Postby Tara Taranilor Romani » Mon May 28, 2018 10:38 pm

Cedoria wrote:
Tara Taranilor Romani wrote:You forgot the corruption present in that "democratic region"

Without proof, such accusations are worthless.


If you criticise the lead you get banned. You can't have an opinion about something, because it may be considered "fascist" by all the leaders and administrators which are too many. The best proof is me, I got banned for saying what is not allowed by the dictators. Nothing racist or offensive.
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