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To the respected WA delegates,

"The Armed Republic of Greater Cascadiana, as representing The River Union, roundly denounces this resolution. We believe in capital punishment as the only punishment and deterrent for dissidents. Therefore, we demand the execution of the proposee United Massachusetts and all nations that had allowed this resolution to be put to table."

Death to democracy,
Patrice Lumumba
Acquaintance of the CIA and MI6

Greater Cascadiana wrote:To the respected WA delegates,

"The Armed Republic of Greater Cascadiana, as representing The River Union, roundly denounces this resolution. We believe in capital punishment as the only punishment and deterrent for dissidents. Therefore, we demand the execution of the proposee United Massachusetts and all nations that had allowed this resolution to be put to table."

Death to democracy,
Patrice Lumumba
Acquaintance of the CIA and MI6

Bell chokes on his coffee then quickly tries to cover his laughter.

Where else in the multiverse can one spend their days amongst such a colorful cast of characters as one finds in the rooms and halls of the World Assembly?

Greater Cascadiana wrote:To the respected WA delegates,

"The Armed Republic of Greater Cascadiana, as representing The River Union, roundly denounces this resolution. We believe in capital punishment as the only punishment and deterrent for dissidents. Therefore, we demand the execution of the proposee United Massachusetts and all nations that had allowed this resolution to be put to table."

Death to democracy,
Patrice Lumumba
Acquaintance of the CIA and MI6

OOC: You got me laughing there, well done

ok first off i apologize that this will not be formatted well as im new to the forums.

A) yes, the penalty is final, permanent and is subject to being mistaken. However if that's the case the penalty itself is not to blame, rather how the trial is conducted. If a guilty individual is convicted wrongly and subsequently executed, how is that different than a person being sentenced to jail for assault? the penalty is not the issue for your first point at least, rather the issue is how the guilty verdict is reached.

B) Whether its a guilty individual with a good attorney or a innocent individual with a bad attorney should have minimal, if any sway on the trial and verdict reached. If an innocent person is convicted and executed due to incapable defense, it is not the penalty to blame, rather its the set of laws that allowed the innocent individual to be found guilty to begin with. When determining the guilt or innocence of an individual, the penalty is a separate issue altogether.

C) I fail to see how the length of time it takes for the process to occur has any bearing on whether capital punishment should be allowed or not. Should capital punishment be outlawed, what closure would victims gain? It is my belief that the trial, sentencing, and execution of a capital offender provides far more closure than knowing that this offender will have three hot meals and a place to sleep every night for the rest of his life. I ask those that support this repeal- is this closure?

D) Deterring crime is not the purpose of capital punishment. The purpose is to punish an individual who is found guilty to serve the penalty of death in accordance with their nation's law. "retribution" style of punishment is sometimes an appropriate response depending on the crimes committed. Death in service to you're country is called "the ultimate" sacrifice. Likewise, the death penalty is the ultimate punishment for the nation's worst offenders. Any nation should have the freedom to determine what that means in their own societies.

E) life is valuable. That is why it is deemed the most severe punishment to take it away from an individual. Removal of life is an acknowledgement of its value under law. The penalty is the highest form of punishment in a society. Those that take the value of life away from another have removed the reverence their life is offered in society. What is right about a murderer living out the rest of their life, guaranteed the rights of life such as food,shelter, and even religious services in many cases. Meanwhile their victims are gone, their families grieving. I contend that letting a criminal convicted of capital offence while the ones that suffered due to their crimes are gone undervalues the victims lives and puts a high value on the lives of the worst members of society.


In conclusion- If murderers are guaranteed shelter, food, among other services (as I noted in point E) what is to stop the homeless population, or those in poverty to commit these acts. Under this law essentially anyone would be guaranteed state provided living quarters for the rest of their days. The penalty of death has lasted from the dawn of civilization into the modern era. There is a reason for that. The penalty should be upheld. How nations incorrectly reach the guilty verdict when trying an innocent individual is another issue and should be addressed.

I urge all other delegates to vote against this repeal. Defend the historic right to remove the most evil individuals from society- permanently instead of having this crucial tool permanently removed from the code of law.

The Most Holy and Grand Empire has cast 28 votes in favor of this repeal.

Well, looks like it’s probable that this resolution passes and so might the next one. On that note, if your nation is an anarchy, Santaenia happily informs you we will be sending an unexpected wave of violent migrants to complement your population.

Good job WA! no death should be used as a punishment! Peace man!!

“Hr’rmmph. So you complain, in your proposed resolution's actual text, that lengthy trial processes before conviction on capital charges are ‘bound to extend the pain and frustrations of crime victims, rather than provide the closure they need and desire’, apparently assuming that every member-nation’s legal system takes as long to reach a final verdict in such cases as this presumably implies the legal system of your own homeland does – or have you just been playing ‘RLstates’, and paying too much attention to its’ ‘ U-S-A’ nation? And yet you fail to consider that what’s needed for those crime victims to experience closure isn’t just the passage of any sentence, it’s the passage of a meaningful sentence… and that in many cases for the surviving relatives of murder victims, let alone for the survivors of genocide attempts, there will be little if any more feeling of closure from knowing that the convicted criminal has been sentenced to a lengthy term of imprisonment than from knowing that they are imprisoned pending a final verdict on capital charges. On every anniversary of the murderers’ crimes, every significant anniversary — such as a birthday — for one of their victims, those survivors will face a reminder that although their loved ones are dead the killers still live. For many people, closure in murder cases can be granted only by the death of the murderer... and you would deny them that.
“Opposed.”

“Anyhows, it now looks likely that this repeal will pass despite the arguments against it. Presuming that your planned replacement also comes to vote, I will be interested to see how many of the national governments supporting the repeal actually share your wish for a complete ban on capital punishment, and how many of them actually favour the repeal because they are opposed to there being any WA-set limitations hwhatsoever on their ability to execute people…”

Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote FOR this resolution because we are opposed to capital punishment, and we seek the drafting of legislation that more effectively protects against this phenomenon.

Vaktaha Samajavadinaha Matarajyasya Shaktirajyasya.

To WA Members and whoever may be concerned,

Utilising my authority as the agent of the Eonless Befallen Of Sarnath; eternal ruler of the The Great Empire Of Thalesmon, I condemn and denounce this legalisation and all those individuals, who stand to creep it into our legislations. Not only does it curbs and dilutes the functioning of our Empire's efficient Judicial Department, presided by the non-partisan decisions of The Divine Befallen of Sarnath, it also interferes in the complicated inner workings of our ageless Nation; something beyond the comprehension of fleshy minds. It is the sincere wish of our benevolent Master that such matters be solved by the bloodless process of dialogue, for this world is not too old to bear their wraith.

From
The Preist who cannot be named

Capital Punishment is required for treason,

Francoli wrote:Capital Punishment is required for treason,

Ogenbond knocks the table in agreement.

Wallenburg wrote:

Francoli wrote:Capital Punishment is required for treason,

Ogenbond knocks the table in agreement.

"It objectively isn't. I mean, it's not ideal by your own standards, but it's hardly required."

Separatist Peoples wrote:

Wallenburg wrote:Ogenbond knocks the table in agreement.

"It objectively isn't. I mean, it's not ideal by your own standards, but it's hardly required."

"Not ideal? Oh, you must have misunderstood my comments in the adjacent debate hall. Traitors deserve to die, Ambassador. Painfully, in my opinion."

The Palentine wrote:

Silverfalls wrote:This is not something the WA should decide. It breaks our sovereignty. Next you'll be telling us how to dress and think.

Trust me old bean, I've been involved with the Festering Snakepit since '05. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd make an attempt to do so. As a matter of fact a few years ago, one of the soft headed cretins here thought it would be a wonderful idea to limit the type, and ply of toilet paper. Thankfully it went nowhere, but it was scary to see the support it got.
Excelsior
Sen. Horatio Sulla

I say we toss this vote and go back to debating toilet paper. Regulating what we wipe our asses with at least won't unnecessarily impede on our national systems of justice.

Xanthal wrote:Where else in the multiverse can one spend their days amongst such a colorful cast of characters as one finds in the rooms and halls of the World Assembly?

Under a damp rock would be my guess old boy. Cheers!
Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla

SchutteGod wrote:

The Palentine wrote:
Trust me old bean, I've been involved with the Festering Snakepit since '05. If they thought they could get away with it, they'd make an attempt to do so. As a matter of fact a few years ago, one of the soft headed cretins here thought it would be a wonderful idea to limit the type, and ply of toilet paper. Thankfully it went nowhere, but it was scary to see the support it got.
Excelsior
Sen. Horatio Sulla

I say we toss this vote and go back to debating toilet paper. Regulating what we wipe our asses with at least won't unnecessarily impede on our national systems of justice.

You won't get any argument from me. This is getting dreadful enough, that I'm going to need a drink.<opens minibar and fixes a Wild Turkey on the rocks> Bar's open! I've got Wild Turkey, Old Grandad, Old Crow, and some 'Shine in a mason jar. There's also a few cans of Olde Frothingslosh as well.

The Palentine wrote:Under a damp rock would be my guess old boy. Cheers!

I'm not that old. Am I? Sixty is the new forty, right?
-Riley Fluffer

Auralia is opposed to this proposal, as it will allow the World Assembly to prohibit member states from employing capital punishment.

Our reasons for opposition are outlined in greater depth here.

Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly

Very proud to support.

I voted no for the explicit reason that Capital punishment in needed in modern society, sadly people will stand in the way of progress, sadly people will deny the rules of a society, sadly people will attempt to ruin or overthrow a society.

For acts of political corruption, treason, and brutal inhumane crimes deserve an appropriate response.

Eco Grendina wrote:I voted no for the explicit reason that Capital punishment in needed in modern society, sadly people will stand in the way of progress, sadly people will deny the rules of a society, sadly people will attempt to ruin or overthrow a society.

For acts of political corruption, treason, and brutal inhumane crimes deserve an appropriate response.

"Even though I can agree with permitting capital punishment in cases regarding treason, war crimes, and crimes against humanity, I do not agree that corruption is severe enough for the death penalty, Ambassador."

Sad how so many people have become soft to the point where they're against capital punishment. Pathetic.

Marcianus wrote:Sad how so many people have become soft to the point where they're against capital punishment. Pathetic.

"Its not really a question of being soft. Its a matter of not wanting a judicial system that fails essentially to avoid injustice, inefficiencies, or irreversible failures."