[DEFEATED] Treatment of the Deceased

[Erithaca]

Since the draft is submitted, change the title to say [SUBMITTED].

Ok! I will change it.

[Kenmoria]

"Good luck!"

[Erithaca]

"Good luck!"

Thanks for all the help! So far, I have 81 approvals.

[Erithaca]

I cannot tell you how excited I am. It looks as if we are going to reach quorum!

[Erithaca]

I cannot tell you how excited I am. It looks as if we are going to reach quorum!

Oh... I spoke too soon. I failed to reach quorum with over 90 approvals.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Why did you change the time requirement in clause 1 back to the ridiculously long one?

Also, sorry I wasn't around for a few days. Life happened.

[Erithaca]

OOC: Why did you change the time requirement in clause 1 back to the ridiculously long one?

Also, sorry I wasn't around for a few days. Life happened.

I did some research and found that it takes at most 65 years for a body to decompose. It is fine about you taking a short break from NS.

[Kenmoria]

OOC: Why did you change the time requirement in clause 1 back to the ridiculously long one?

Also, sorry I wasn't around for a few days. Life happened.

I did some research and found that it takes at most 65 years for a body to decompose. It is fine about you taking a short break from NS.

(OOC: That might be something to fix if you wish to re-draft and submit this again. Most WA species do not have the same decomposure rate as humans, so this should be based on something depended upon circumstances.)

[Araraukar]

I did some research and found that it takes at most 65 years for a body to decompose.

OOC: Actually it depends very much on the soil type, climate, presence of water, type of coffin (if one was used at all), if the body was embalmed, etc. (We wouldn't have mummies at all if the various factors had no effect.) Still, I've spoken with an undertaker, who said that under most conditions, an unembalmed body will be gone in 30 years. Most Finnish sources I can find, say that the body will have been completely decomposed (you might find some bone fragments and pieces of the coffin) in 10-15 years, which is why, unless living family members renew the "rent" of the gravesite, it can be reclaimed for a new (not related to the previous deceased) occupant in 25 years (and that's more for the peace of mind of the relatives, not because of practical reasons).

I'm fairly sure that how it works in various RL nations varies, based on local conditions and culture, so imposing one single long time on all WA nations, sounds insane. That part should be something left to the nations themselves, perhaps with something like "until such time that decomposition can reasonably be expected to be complete".

Also, would the proposal ban burying family members who died later, in the same gravesite? The clause 2.a. only talks about opening the grave, not burying additional family members.

[Erithaca]

I did some research and found that it takes at most 65 years for a body to decompose.

OOC: Actually it depends very much on the soil type, climate, presence of water, type of coffin (if one was used at all), if the body was embalmed, etc. (We wouldn't have mummies at all if the various factors had no effect.) Still, I've spoken with an undertaker, who said that under most conditions, an unembalmed body will be gone in 30 years. Most Finnish sources I can find, say that the body will have been completely decomposed (you might find some bone fragments and pieces of the coffin) in 10-15 years, which is why, unless living family members renew the "rent" of the gravesite, it can be reclaimed for a new (not related to the previous deceased) occupant in 25 years (and that's more for the peace of mind of the relatives, not because of practical reasons).

I'm fairly sure that how it works in various RL nations varies, based on local conditions and culture, so imposing one single long time on all WA nations, sounds insane. That part should be something left to the nations themselves, perhaps with something like "until such time that decomposition can reasonably be expected to be complete".

Also, would the proposal ban burying family members who died later, in the same gravesite? The clause 2.a. only talks about opening the grave, not burying additional family members.

I have added your changes. The draft will be re-submitted.

[Araraukar]

I have added your changes. The draft will be re-submitted.

OOC: I would've suggested to wait longer to let other people add comments too...

EDIT: Update your draft in this thread as well.

[Erithaca]

I have added your changes. The draft will be re-submitted.

OOC: I would've suggested to wait longer to let other people add comments too...

EDIT: Update your draft in this thread as well.

To be honest, the draft has been commented on quite a bit. The main reason why it failed to reach quorum was poor campaigning. I will update it in this thread.

[Zone 71]

OOC: I would've suggested to wait longer to let other people add comments too...

EDIT: Update your draft in this thread as well.

To be honest, the draft has been commented on quite a bit. The main reason why it failed to reach quorum was poor campaigning. I will update it in this thread.

I have to agree with Araraukar here. I believe your proposal's failure to reach quorum may be due in part to some unagreeable mandates or assertions. I would recommend waiting before submitting the proposal again, and contacting WA delegates and experienced writers of the GA directly to ask how you can improve the proposal and make it more agreeable to them.

[Imperium Anglorum]

You can bring anything to quorum with a campaign that hits all delegates. The contents of a proposal have no effect on a proposal's being inquorate.

[Aclion]

So I finally looked up your new favorite word. I'm afraid it does not mean what you think it means.

[Imperium Anglorum]

So I finally looked up your new favorite word. I'm afraid it does not mean what you think it means.

We refer to the approvals process as quorum. From the proposals page –

As the WA currently has 1,792 Regional Delegates, a proposal needs 108 approvals to achieve quorum.

If you would like to rename what is technically an incorrectly named procedure (unless the quorum process were meant to effectively be preemptive quorum call on a measure, which is somewhat ridiculous, unless you presume something akin to a pre-Reed rule US House of Representatives) please do so. What a better term would be, I do not know. However, quorum still has an adjectival form, quorate meaning 'having a quorum', whose negation makes logical sense given our linguistic context.

Insofar as the use of words in English is not prescribed by a linguistic body, I see no reason to defer to any certain dictionary but for clarity, which in this case, given the logical construction of the word, is already self-evident.

[Erithaca]

Yet again, I will fail to reach quorum in 17 minutes with 101 approvals. I fell asleep in the early hours of the morning. Manual recruitment is incredibly hard. However, I do think that my proposal definitely has the potential to be passed.

[Kenmoria]

Yet again, I will fail to reach quorum in 17 minutes with 101 approvals. I fell asleep in the early hours of the morning. Manual recruitment is incredibly hard. However, I do think that my proposal definitely has the potential to be passed.

(OOC: Have you done API recruitment? Also, it could be that there are some problems with the proposal itself that means delegates aren't approving it.)

[Imperium Anglorum]

Manual recruitment is incredibly hard.

It really is. I really recommend using API or stamps if you want to bring this to the floor.

[Kenmoria]

"I would place the definition of 5.1 along with the rest of the definitions at the start of the active clauses."

[Erithaca]

"I would place the definition of 5.1 along with the rest of the definitions at the start of the active clauses."

I have moved it.

[Kenmoria]

"There should be space before “authorises” in clause 7.1"

[Erithaca]

Manual recruitment is incredibly hard.

It really is. I really recommend using API or stamps if you want to bring this to the floor.

This time round, I will use Auralia's nstg-web. It will take 15 hours to telegram every delegate!

[Kenmoria]

(OOC: The tag should say [DRAFT] not [SUBMITTED].)

[New Keam]

"Treatment of the Deceased has gone for a vote and failed to pass. I believe that it is time for the WA to move on from this issue, and come back to it once some time passes. That will give time for both the makeup of the WA, which is always shifting, to change and time for people to forget that this legislation failed once. It will also give time for new proposal, that is different from the old".