Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:42 pm
Finappa wrote:
An interesting resolution.
OOC:Please don't quote the entire proposal just to reply with 3 words, it's spammy. At least spoiler the proposal.
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Finappa wrote:
An interesting resolution.
Primoriye wrote:Sorry for the noob question, im new here. Does these resolutions effect the gameplay at all? Or is it purely for RP?
The New California Republic wrote:Against. Even more so now that I received a telegram from the author accusing me of being a lemming for voting against it. You poisoned the well author, you poisoned the well.
Unibot III wrote:This is an important issue and I’m surprised to see the resolution getting annihilated on the voting floor despite its flaws.
Takasor wrote:Lmao.... What even is this.......?????
Kenmoria wrote:Technically, it isn’t a resolution until it passes, which is increasingly unlikely.
Araraukar wrote:Kenmoria wrote:Technically, it isn’t a resolution until it passes, which is increasingly unlikely.
OOC: Actually, it is a resolution when it gets to vote (and isn't discarded as illegal); if it passes, it'll become a passed resolution, if it doesn't, it'll become a failed resolution.
I'm fairly surprised at the big negative reaction, especially as practically no-one has explained why, and the few brief explanations given have varied wildly between "keep your hands off my corpse" to "against our burial customs" to "land development issues" - only the last of which is really a real concern.
Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: It would be interesting to hear from a WALL representative as to why the legislation was unsatisfactory; they might provide some reasoning.)
That is VW53ALand's problem with the vagueness as well. It is mostly due to this that the resolution will not add value. A vague resolution does not improve or supersede the unregulated situation from before the resolution.Kenmoria wrote:(OOC: However, clause 4c contains an exception for a ‘compelling situation’, which is vague enough that any government could exploit it via creative compliance.)
Creslonia wrote:"I can see what they tried to do here, but leave the management of our dead to us. Creslonia will be voting against this resolution."
- Alexander Finch, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Kenmoria wrote:Creslonia wrote:"I can see what they tried to do here, but leave the management of our dead to us. Creslonia will be voting against this resolution."
- Alexander Finch, Minister of Foreign Affairs
“A critic could argue that the reason one joins the World Assembly is so that certain legislative matters are not left to individuals nations.” Ambassador Lewitt mutters, suddenly aware that a lot of the votes against were based on Natsov.
"Treatment of the Deceased" was defeated 11,430 votes to 1,280.
Kenmoria wrote:"Treatment of the Deceased" was defeated 11,430 votes to 1,280.
OOC: Personally, due to clauses 2 and 3. I don't think it's reasonable to demand that relatives of the deceased foot the bill for any legal burial request, and like several European states, I am not going to dedicate unnecessary space for gravesites just because all plots are currently occupied. At the same time I recognise that those two elements were kind of central to the whole resolution, so I didn't have any suggestions to make - I was just opposed.Araraukar wrote:I'm fairly surprised at the big negative reaction, especially as practically no-one has explained why, and the few brief explanations given have varied wildly between "keep your hands off my corpse" to "against our burial customs" to "land development issues" - only the last of which is really a real concern.
Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: I don't think it's reasonable to demand that relatives of the deceased foot the bill for any legal burial request,
and like several European states, I am not going to dedicate unnecessary space for gravesites just because all plots are currently occupied.
I don't know about Finland, but in Denmark it's commonly funded by the estate (Though what will happen in 30+ years with raising pension age and generations able to save less is unknown). Relatives can refuse for any reason, not just serious economic impact, though of course that's unlikely for most families.Araraukar wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: I don't think it's reasonable to demand that relatives of the deceased foot the bill for any legal burial request,
OOC: That's how it is in RL. Why wouldn't it be so in NS? And if the relatives refused because the money needed would seriously impact their everyday living, then it would be impossible to finance. But you do have a point and if Fecaw has another go, they probably should put in something about the money the deceased had at their use at the time of their death, and if that wasn't enough, then the burial request would be considered unreasonable.
Back on my Bachelor's, I had an assignment on various "moral" public policies where the absolute sanctity of cemetaries was part. I tried to look for it, but I have since lost the harddrive, so from memory it was several of the mainly Protestant Northern European nations (While not a scholarly source, BBC has an article, naturally). I know Denmark doesn't regard cemetaries with any greater favour anymore; the family has to pay for increasing the length the plot will be undisturbed. Otherwise, space constraints demand that the deceased get a roomie.and like several European states, I am not going to dedicate unnecessary space for gravesites just because all plots are currently occupied.
Out of interest, which European states? And also, do note that a burial request is considered unreasonable if it does "contravene national or international legislation", so if your national legislation says that all bodies must be burned, then asking to be buried whole would be unreasonable.
Araraukar wrote:Attempted Socialism wrote:OOC: I don't think it's reasonable to demand that relatives of the deceased foot the bill for any legal burial request,
OOC: That's how it is in RL. Why wouldn't it be so in NS? And if the relatives refused because the money needed would seriously impact their everyday living, then it would be impossible to finance. But you do have a point and if Fecaw has another go, they probably should put in something about the money the deceased had at their use at the time of their death, and if that wasn't enough, then the burial request would be considered unreasonable.