[DEFEATED] Condemn Union of Confederate Regions

[Algermaine]

1. Not every region raids bud, so you can stop that line of thinking.
2. They went after founderless, non-delegate regions so of course the delegacy was open.
3. I'm a defender. I don't know what's fishy about anything other than you.

Edit: I just learned you're a former TIO member.

Algermaine was only in TIO to subvert it, right?

Correct. I am a Leftist. Please, check your facts. While we are here:

1. Don't call me 'bud', please. I said "most"; do not strawman me, please. That holds true.
2. They could have formed a new region. A raid is a minor setback in the greater scheme of things
3. I said your argument is fishy (It is), but you are oddly defensive with using your defender alignment as a crutch for your reputation (kind of...fishy). Defenders have done things morally equivalent to raiders historically, everybody knows it.

[Krualstiken]

You didn’t even draft it before submitting?

Totally opposed, UCR, besides its unfortunate initials, hasn’t done enough to be condemned. It hasn’t even really raided anyone

I'd say that being the largest benefactor to KAISERREICH for several years alone is enough for a condemnation.

Says the ex-emperor that had all the time in the world to undo any and all relations, but in fact, strengthened them with further legislation.

[Fauxia]

You didn’t even draft it before submitting?

Totally opposed, UCR, besides its unfortunate initials, hasn’t done enough to be condemned. It hasn’t even really raided anyone

I'd say that being the largest benefactor to KAISERREICH for several years alone is enough for a condemnation.

Disagree strongly. You don't give fascists badges

[Algermaine]

I'd say that being the largest benefactor to KAISERREICH for several years alone is enough for a condemnation.

Says the ex-emperor that had all the time in the world to undo any and all relations, but in fact, strengthened them with further legislation.

It is important to keep this in mind, as if we simply diagnose 'fascism' as any relationship to KAISERREICH, the author's proponents are guilty as well. Any region could be found in relation by several degrees to KAISERREICH through the logic of anyone who has interacted with them (including building relationships with KREICH on behalf of the UCR in the case of Ex-Patria) is a fascist, and then anyone who interacts with them is therefor a fascist; this chain of assumption does not prove guilt, it only shows that no one here is clean. This is coming from someone who doesn't have any feelings about the outcome of this vote; my interest in a sane political climate is tertiary.

Therefor, it is irrelevant and is not an accurate indicator of fascism, but a useless pejorative that applies to each and everyone of us equally.

Let he who does not have relations with someone who has relations with another who has relations with KREICH cast the first stone.

[Die PreuBen Kaiserreich]

Full support. I was in the UCR and it was a pretty terrible place to be. I don't think it's on par with a liberation, but I fully believe it should be condemned.

[La Navasse]

I do not support this Condemnation, as Condemnations are simply badges of honor. I would support a Neoliberation of the region.

[Algermaine]

I do not support this Condemnation, as Condemnations are simply badges of honor. I would support a Neoliberation of the region.

"NeoLiberation"? Those "oh, anybody can be a nazi if you squint hard enough ~ precedents, guys" liberations you are doing?

[La Navasse]

I do not support this Condemnation, as Condemnations are simply badges of honor. I would support a Neoliberation of the region.

"NeoLiberation"? Those "oh, anybody can be a nazi if you squint hard enough ~ precedents, guys" liberations you are doing?

Neoliberations, or neolibs, are the revolutionary new usage of SC Liberations as a de facto Condemnation of regions.

[Langor Empire]

"NeoLiberation"? Those "oh, anybody can be a nazi if you squint hard enough ~ precedents, guys" liberations you are doing?

Neoliberations, or neolibs, are the revolutionary new usage of SC Liberations as a de facto Condemnation of regions.

Neoliberations are a practice of misusing the resources of the Security Council for, as evidenced by this proposal and the recent attempt to liberate Arcem, largely personal reasons, as this resolution is only being used by an inherently biased author (banned for treason and trying to coup the founder) as a means of becoming famous. The trend is concerning and attempts to use the Security Council as a weapon rather than an instrument of peacemaking should end; the World Assembly is now a toy in the hands of radicals of all kinds, and the sad part is that they appeal to sentiments rather than reason and therefore can pass what they need with little opposition: call a region a fascist collaborator and voila, you can do whatever you want, the interregional community watches and applauds.

[Alligator]

Hey hey, i don't mind if it is a liberation or a condemnation. we just want the badge afterall

This region harbor furries and other menacing things! We must act quickly

[La Navasse]

Neoliberations, or neolibs, are the revolutionary new usage of SC Liberations as a de facto Condemnation of regions.

Neoliberations are a practice of misusing the resources of the Security Council for, as evidenced by this proposal and the recent attempt to liberate Arcem, largely personal reasons, as this resolution is only being used by an inherently biased author (banned for treason and trying to coup the founder) as a means of becoming famous. The trend is concerning and attempts to use the Security Council as a weapon rather than an instrument of peacemaking should end; the World Assembly is now a toy in the hands of radicals of all kinds, and the sad part is that they appeal to sentiments rather than reason and therefore can pass what they need with little opposition: call a region a fascist collaborator and voila, you can do whatever you want, the interregional community watches and applauds.

Arcem (SCUT) is being liberated for the same reason as Femdom Empire - fascist affiliation and assistance. The only difference is that SCUT has been more outspoken, while Femdom Empire hasn't.

Additionally, I aim to likely draft a Liberation instead.

[Prydania]

Arcem (SCUT) is being liberated...

Have you gauged the mood in the Arcem thread? Your proposed liberation isn't gathering any support. Probably because a lot of people who were willing to stand up to Nazism see no proof that SCUT is fascist. I really don't see much support here either. I'll oppose your attempted neoliberation of UCR just as I oppose your liberation of Arcem.

I'm all for using offensive liberation to bash the fash, but you seem to be throwing the "fascist" label around rather liberally. It's not a good look, and it'll taint any future efforts against legitimate fascists.

[Dwarfpolis]

r their advocation of fascism

wut

[Ravennog]

I support this resolution. Let us remove these loons once and for all!

Innovative Workers of Ravennog
Wild Ambitions and Capitalist Ideas.

[HMS George VI]

I support this resolution. Let us remove these loons once and for all!

Innovative Workers of Ravennog
Wild Ambitions and Capitalist Ideas.

Aye!! Even though this does literally nothing

[Verlzonia]

Im still confused is this a meme proposal or not?

[Hemuraile]

The Angered clause ruined it all; another ideological argument.

[Chill beats LLC]

the UCR is an absolute menace. We must do everything in our power to dismantle and reshape this corrupted region.

[Oakrugia]

Against. The world has not realised the threats of the UCR, and though will likely be useless since UCR hasn't really done anything to the Gameplay or NS community.

[Land of the Rice Fields]

Must we pass yet another condemnation that does absolutely nothing against the region it is supposed to hurt? And if they haven't done anything horrible in the first place, why even bother? Just stop it with the meme proposals.

[New Ex Patria]

Must we pass yet another condemnation that does absolutely nothing against the region it is supposed to hurt? And if they haven't done anything horrible in the first place, why even bother? Just stop it with the meme proposals.

This is not a meme proposal. Every type of condemnation does nothing, so your point is invalid.

[Drasnia]

Let me get this straight. OP got banned for treason, and the region's only actions of note are raiding a few regions and being allied to KReich? Lol K.

Against.

[Ziotah and Riverside]

The Federal Republic of Ziotah and Riverside is strongly for this resolution. We believe the Security Council must continue to take a strong stance against regions that threaten the security of sovereign nations.

[Fauxia]

The Federal Republic of Ziotah and Riverside is strongly for this resolution. We believe the Security Council must continue to take a strong stance against regions that threaten the security of sovereign nations.

Then condemn one that actually does pose a threat

[Forestavia]

Oh boy! Let's see what we have here...
*Looks over Condemnation Resolution*
I see that those terrible scary words "Nazi" and "KAISERREICH" appear in the text. Well, gollygeewilikers whatsoever shall we do? Looks like we all need to run on over and condemn UCR like the "good" social justice warriors that we are, eh? Um, yeah...

AGAINST. What a waste of time. Ideological warfare is still present but hey, at least this isn't a "liberation". It's good to see the SC is making progress.

As for UCR, they've done much good in the world. They used to have a defender military called OATO. I would vote for it if it was a commend.