[DEFEATED] Condemn Union of Confederate Regions

[Scherzinger]

Anzu looks around at the discussion at hand. "German propaganda rehashed from a terrible time, Discussions over a region i have never heard of, if this is what the Security council deals with, then I must say i am no longer surprised that my nation hasnt been condemned yet, and as long as it continues, the public executions of pro democracy people, the exiling of french people, and the fact that we have continued a 0% democracy and french rate will simply continue to fly under their radar, as well as keep us quite clear of being condemned. To be honest, i really don't understand what being condemned will do to a nation, but we are a fearless bunch and quite frankly don't care. Anyhow, just something for you all to think about while you mindlessly squabble over regions that like to take initiative and have ambition enough, to invade another region or two." She says aloud.

"It truly intrigues me on how interestingly daft some people are to issues that may have an effect on other nations or their people. I simply fail to see the point of going around shunning one region and condemning another, when i am sure that condemning the nations themselves would probably be a more effective way of dealing with an issue. To be quite honest, while I am not saying that what we do is entirely important, but there are people whom do indeed do things like we do, maybe even worse than my glorious Emperor does. I am not going to suggest to Kommandant Nishizumi that she have the Emperor increase his executions or anything, however, i do wonder how a nation gets put on such notice. I dont really care if i am the target or not, i just wonder if it is exclusively for regions. It is interesting, truly interesting, how these nations squabble over a little ambition. The great Wei leader Cao Cao invaded other regions during The 3 Kingdoms Period of China, and there was no real condemnation there, he even supposedly claimed the head of the great Lu Bu, but what do i know, i'm just the Japanese girl whom represents a great nation trying to find the right place on the world scale." Anzu said to her Co-Ambassador, Miho Nishizumi.

[Arkhall]

Anzu looks around at the discussion at hand. "German propaganda rehashed from a terrible time, Discussions over a region i have never heard of, if this is what the Security council deals with, then I must say i am no longer surprised that my nation hasnt been condemned yet, and as long as it continues, the public executions of pro democracy people, the exiling of french people, and the fact that we have continued a 0% democracy and french rate will simply continue to fly under their radar, as well as keep us quite clear of being condemned. To be honest, i really don't understand what being condemned will do to a nation, but we are a fearless bunch and quite frankly don't care. Anyhow, just something for you all to think about while you mindlessly squabble over regions that like to take initiative and have ambition enough, to invade another region or two." She says aloud.

"It truly intrigues me on how interestingly daft some people are to issues that may have an effect on other nations or their people. I simply fail to see the point of going around shunning one region and condemning another, when i am sure that condemning the nations themselves would probably be a more effective way of dealing with an issue. To be quite honest, while I am not saying that what we do is entirely important, but there are people whom do indeed do things like we do, maybe even worse than my glorious Emperor does. I am not going to suggest to Kommandant Nishizumi that she have the Emperor increase his executions or anything, however, i do wonder how a nation gets put on such notice. I dont really care if i am the target or not, i just wonder if it is exclusively for regions. It is interesting, truly interesting, how these nations squabble over a little ambition. The great Wei leader Cao Cao invaded other regions during The 3 Kingdoms Period of China, and there was no real condemnation there, he even supposedly claimed the head of the great Lu Bu, but what do i know, i'm just the Japanese girl whom represents a great nation trying to find the right place on the world scale." Anzu said to her Co-Ambassador, Miho Nishizumi.

Security Council is a gameside thing, not an IC thing, but you do you, neat RP

It's well written, at the least.

I really don't understand what being condemned will do to a nation

It does actually nothing. It's a small badge on a nation or region page that says "condemned by SC resolution 321241241", or something of that nature.

however, i do wonder how a nation gets put on such notice

It's usually whenever someone wants the badge for being a resolution author, or has a petty grudge. It's very rare that something is an actually constructive and necessary condemnation

[North Anhalt]

I would just like to point out the hypocrisy of the WA in matters such as these. In an effort to maintain an inclusive and democratic environment, they actively persecute and condemn nations and regions that do not share their ideology.

I am not fascist, my region is not, and I do not support fascist actions, nations or regions, but I will defend them from WA aggression.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that nations and/or regions that utilize mechanics that are an integral component of nation states gameplay receive criticism and punishment from the entire community. I understand that the effects of raids can destroy regions and ruin the experience for many people, but I also understand that it’s part of how nation states works. I will not support an action that punishes people for utilizing the options available to them.

I did not realize that the WA was so politically limited. I understand the necessity of defending regions from fascist aggressors, which is why I support liberation resolutions. I will not however stand for political oppression and condemnation simply because the actions of a region do not align with the current WA majority.

This isn’t freedom, this is oppression, and I don’t think that’s what the WA wants to be. Forced democracy and liberty isn’t true liberty. I think the WA can do better.

[Thuzbekistan]

I would just like to point out the hypocrisy of the WA in matters such as these. I’m an effort to maintain an inclusive and democratic environment, they actively persecute and condemn nations and regions that do not share their ideology.

I am not fascist, my region is not, and I do not support fascist actions, nations or regions, but I will defend them from WA aggression.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that nations and/or regions that utilize mechanics that are an integral component of nation states gameplay receive criticism and punishment from the entire community. I understand that the effects of raids can destroy regions and ruin the experience for many people, but I also understand that it’s part of how nation states works. I will not support an action that punishes people for utilizing the options available to them.

I did not realize that the WA was so politically limited. I understand the necessity of defending regions from fascist aggressors, which is why I support liberation resolutions. I will not however stand for political oppression and condemnation simply because the actions of a region do not align with the current WA majority.

This isn’t freedom, this is oppression, and I don’t think that’s what the WA wants to be. Forced democracy and liberty isn’t true liberty. I think the WA can do better.

how on earth were you founded in November but this was your first post?

[Fauxia]

I would just like to point out the hypocrisy of the WA in matters such as these. I’m an effort to maintain an inclusive and democratic environment, they actively persecute and condemn nations and regions that do not share their ideology.

I am not fascist, my region is not, and I do not support fascist actions, nations or regions, but I will defend them from WA aggression.

I find it absolutely ridiculous that nations and/or regions that utilize mechanics that are an integral component of nation states gameplay receive criticism and punishment from the entire community. I understand that the effects of raids can destroy regions and ruin the experience for many people, but I also understand that it’s part of how nation states works. I will not support an action that punishes people for utilizing the options available to them.

I did not realize that the WA was so politically limited. I understand the necessity of defending regions from fascist aggressors, which is why I support liberation resolutions. I will not however stand for political oppression and condemnation simply because the actions of a region do not align with the current WA majority.

This isn’t freedom, this is oppression, and I don’t think that’s what the WA wants to be. Forced democracy and liberty isn’t true liberty. I think the WA can do better.

how on earth were you founded in November but this was your first post?

Not everyone goes on the forum...

Anyway, glad to see this is losing

[Khaldaia]

I think you just leave us because we are not doing anything thing like that as a member myself I think you should shut up before we invade you ok got it

Well, if that's how you handle disapproval, I'mma vote to comdemn.

[Triangle And Square]

TNP's viewpoint on this:

This proposal is part of a string of condemnations and offensive liberations submitted and passed in recent weeks. This proposal serves no purpose as the target region are not raiders, and the proposal does not serve as a serious reprimand. We believe that Security Council condemnations should correspond with grievous offenses against the international community.

For these reasons the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote against the proposal.

[Kokoku]

TNP's viewpoint on this:

This proposal is part of a string of condemnations and offensive liberations submitted and passed in recent weeks. This proposal serves no purpose as the target region are not raiders, and the proposal does not serve as a serious reprimand. We believe that Security Council condemnations should correspond with grievous offenses against the international community.

For these reasons the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote against the proposal.

We applaud you for your accurate statement. We advise all members to be weary of any condemnations or liberations that mention Kaiserreich, Nazi Europa, or SCUT. These tend to be the core regions targeted for revenge by a nation or a group of nations.

We are disgusted by the corrupt usage of the Security Council, and urge all to continue using the council as a means to mark notable actions and to assist natives of occupied regions.

[The House of Petain]

I'm happy to see the resolution failing. I've become gradually convinced that the SC is one of the most dangerous and corrupt institutions in the NS world, that it benefits the big regions more as a tool to praise themselves and condemn their enemies all the while masquerading it's actions as being democratic.

The delegation from the House of Petain votes AGAINST and urge all other members of the WA to vote AGAINST. Furthermore, we encourage all member nations to vote AGAINST all resolutions proposed by the SC, to the exception of efforts to repeal past SC resolutions.

[New Ex Patria]

I may as well quickly make a statement on the point of this resolution and accusations of badge hunting.

This resolution is on track to fail, I cannot see any way in which that can be turned around so I'm conceding defeat on this. The reason I proposed this resolution was so we could actually use condemnations for their intended purpose, as opposed to these 'neo-liberations' which seem to have taken over. I didn't honestly expect this to pass, mainly due to the fact of how condemnations are viewed by major regions and while I do not agree with this perspective, there's no real point in fighting it.

I know screenshots were provided of me saying that this was any excuse I could get for an SC proposal, and while I know I can't provide proof otherwise, I'll just say that I considered those who those messages were delivered to as my friends, and therefore did not want to offend them or anything - since then, these people have decided to launch a full-scale smear campaign against me, quite lovely.

I realise that a liberation proposal has been planned for the UoCR; I will most likely support this, purely due to the fact that it will be seen as a better alternative to a condemnation - although I genuinely would prefer this in condemnation form, and doubt a liberation will actually be effective until the distant future.

[Thuzbekistan]

You know, I've talked to the UoCR leader a bit. I'm not sure why there's even a resolution against them. And a liberation doesn't do anything to a region with a founder.

[Nullite]

OOC: It is scary seeing NS resemble the real world in a horrid fashion.The future is going to be scary if we continue down this road.

IC: "Being targeted for one's beliefs, while happening in my glorious nation, shouldn't happen to others, by others. I rule Nullite with an iron fist, and yet know there are other, valid ways of ruling a nation. I am voting against this horrid potential resolution-to-be. Good day!" dictates Vladimir Poutine as he walks away from the podium.

[Hessere]

It's still democracy nonetheless. It's just become a sharper sword and a more outspoken orator influenced by certain ideologies as of late.

EDIT: Not that I really have a serious view on it.

[Luziland]

lol no

[Beasluxia]

I feel it would be better for the WA to pass laws to stop what the country in question did instead of condemning them.

[Razzle Dazzle]

I feel it would be better for the WA to pass laws to stop what the country in question did instead of condemning them.

See, the issue with that is that any law attempting to prohibit something the UoCR is accused of doing would be massively illegal. The General Assembly (which passes the laws) deals solely with national issues and roleplay.

[Langor Empire]

I may as well quickly make a statement on the point of this resolution and accusations of badge hunting.

This resolution is on track to fail, I cannot see any way in which that can be turned around so I'm conceding defeat on this. The reason I proposed this resolution was so we could actually use condemnations for their intended purpose, as opposed to these 'neo-liberations' which seem to have taken over. I didn't honestly expect this to pass, mainly due to the fact of how condemnations are viewed by major regions and while I do not agree with this perspective, there's no real point in fighting it.

I know screenshots were provided of me saying that this was any excuse I could get for an SC proposal, and while I know I can't provide proof otherwise, I'll just say that I considered those who those messages were delivered to as my friends, and therefore did not want to offend them or anything - since then, these people have decided to launch a full-scale smear campaign against me, quite lovely.

I realise that a liberation proposal has been planned for the UoCR; I will most likely support this, purely due to the fact that it will be seen as a better alternative to a condemnation - although I genuinely would prefer this in condemnation form, and doubt a liberation will actually be effective until the distant future.

Action causes reaction, and reaction to reaction is escalation.

[Chill beats LLC]

Here's some of the UCR's wehraboo tendencies. Absolutely disgusting display of nazi-related support. Shame, UCR.

[Chernarod]

I honestly couldn't care less about the principles "at stake" in the SC's attacks on fascist and supposedly fascist regions. Would 10/10 support, especially based on the hypothesis that the SC is supposed to operate in the mould of the UN security council, if it wasn't used for attacking memey, largely impotent regions like KR and the UCR which have few, if any, fascist members, especially when the proposals have been created by individuals with personal vendettas. The UCR is a weeb-infested joke of a region, not a fascist stronghold. Save the political capital for something more relevant. Glad to see that most of the NS community seems to have recognized that, in this case.

[Zuid Afrikaner]

I honestly couldn't care less about the principles "at stake" in the SC's attacks on fascist and supposedly fascist regions. Would 10/10 support, especially based on the hypothesis that the SC is supposed to operate in the mould of the UN security council, if it wasn't used for attacking memey, largely impotent regions like KR and the UCR which have few, if any, fascist members, especially when the proposals have been created by individuals with personal vendettas. The UCR is a weeb-infested joke of a region, not a fascist stronghold. Save the political capital for something more relevant. Glad to see that most of the NS community seems to have recognized that, in this case.

Sadly, I can confirm the third to last sentence is true. Too many furrries also.

[Razzle Dazzle]

I honestly couldn't care less about the principles "at stake" in the SC's attacks on fascist and supposedly fascist regions. Would 10/10 support, especially based on the hypothesis that the SC is supposed to operate in the mould of the UN security council, if it wasn't used for attacking memey, largely impotent regions like KR and the UCR which have few, if any, fascist members, especially when the proposals have been created by individuals with personal vendettas. The UCR is a weeb-infested joke of a region, not a fascist stronghold. Save the political capital for something more relevant. Glad to see that most of the NS community seems to have recognized that, in this case.

Sadly, I can confirm the third to last sentence is true. Too many furrries also.

No such thing as too many furries.

[Zuid Afrikaner]

Sadly, I can confirm the third to last sentence is true. Too many furrries also.

No such thing as too many furries.

Trust me there is

[Ransium]

I honestly couldn't care less about the principles "at stake" in the SC's attacks on fascist and supposedly fascist regions. Would 10/10 support, especially based on the hypothesis that the SC is supposed to operate in the mould of the UN security council, if it wasn't used for attacking memey, largely impotent regions like KR and the UCR which have few, if any, fascist members, especially when the proposals have been created by individuals with personal vendettas. The UCR is a weeb-infested joke of a region, not a fascist stronghold. Save the political capital for something more relevant. Glad to see that most of the NS community seems to have recognized that, in this case.

I find your tone to be flamebaity. I am not taking official action at this time but knock it off, folks.

[Tinhampton]

Condemn Union of Confederate Regions was defeated 13,163 votes to 7,042.

[Krualstiken]

oof, the new thread isn't up yet