[PASSED] Liberate KAISERREICH

[West Leas Oros]

According to Antifa, you are either with them, or you are a fascist apologetic. It's like the US political system. 3rd parties exist, but none can topple the two big parties. It is also a war of sorts, the two sides are warring with each other. If you dislike team fascist, or support Antifa, you join them. If you dislike Antifa, or support the fascists, you join them. If you dislike both, you usually stay out of the fight. If you like both, you're a madman. I dislike both, but rather than stay out of the fight, I am joining my own side. Unfortunately, third teams usually capitulate easily, leaving the two fighters alone in the ring.

In which case, do you have evidence of Antifa attacking Leftist regions, simply for not aligning with them?

Not leftist per se, but regions that identify as libertarian, capitalist, and so on have been targets of them in the past.

[Kavagrad]

In which case, do you have evidence of Antifa attacking Leftist regions, simply for not aligning with them?

Not leftist per se, but regions that identify as libertarian, capitalist, and so on have been targets of them in the past.

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

[West Leas Oros]

Not leftist per se, but regions that identify as libertarian, capitalist, and so on have been targets of them in the past.

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

[Lord Dominator]

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

Do you need some cough drops?

[West Leas Oros]

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

Do you need some cough drops?

No. I need people to actually take up arms against Antifa and it's allies so we can fight extremism in all it's forms.

[Kavagrad]

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

I know little about REATO, but didn't Libertatum have a habit of attacking Leftist regions? I know they struck one that I inhabited back in the day. And we were allied to Antifa, so it's quite possible that Antifa considered themselves provoked.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Not leftist per se, but regions that identify as libertarian, capitalist, and so on have been targets of them in the past.

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

You only need to search the word 'libertarian' to find libertarian paradise very easily.

[Kavagrad]

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

You only need to search the word 'libertarian' to find libertarian paradise very easily.

North Korea, not Antifa.

[Fauxia]

Examples? I left NS for a couple of years, so I likely missed them.

You only need to search the word 'libertarian' to find libertarian paradise very easily.

That's specifically North Korea, not Antifa. North Korea is different, from the name down (it used to be condemned by the Security Council)

North Korea does indeed raid right-wing regions. That does not mean Antifa as a whole does.

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

I know little about REATO, but didn't Libertatum have a habit of attacking Leftist regions? I know they struck one that I inhabited back in the day. And we were allied to Antifa, so it's quite possible that Antifa considered themselves provoked.

Both did. Libertatem made a habit of it, which is why The Red Fleet hates them so much, and REATO raided, hold on, I believe Congress of Armed Proletarian States was it? Something like that.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You only need to search the word 'libertarian' to find libertarian paradise very easily.

That's specifically North Korea, not Antifa. North Korea is different, from the name down (it used to be condemned by the Security Council)

North Korea does indeed raid right-wing regions. That does not mean Antifa as a whole does.

I know little about REATO, but didn't Libertatum have a habit of attacking Leftist regions? I know they struck one that I inhabited back in the day. And we were allied to Antifa, so it's quite possible that Antifa considered themselves provoked.

Both did. Libertatem made a habit of it, which is why The Red Fleet hates them so much, and REATO raided, hold on, I believe Congress of Armed Proletarian States was it? Something like that.

Maybe antifa wants to rein in its bad elements then?
As I've heard, a few bad eggs in one group invalidate the groups right to exist.

[Kavagrad]

That's specifically North Korea, not Antifa. North Korea is different, from the name down (it used to be condemned by the Security Council)

North Korea does indeed raid right-wing regions. That does not mean Antifa as a whole does.

Both did. Libertatem made a habit of it, which is why The Red Fleet hates them so much, and REATO raided, hold on, I believe Congress of Armed Proletarian States was it? Something like that.

Maybe antifa wants to rein in its bad elements then?
As I've heard, a few bad eggs in one group invalidate the groups right to exist.

The difference being that North Korea were acting on their own behalf, not as a part of Antifa. The offenders in KReich's case were very much acting as members of KReich, and the leaders took no action to stop them.

If North Korea had attacked in Antifa's name, and Antifa had failed to take action to stop them, it would be an equivalent scenario. This isn't the case.

[Scansinia]

So in a sense, I could just password the region when I know I will be gone for a while, such as for military training purposes etc.

You could, yes. But it would have almost the same affect as the liberation. Your ROs and delegate would never be able to change it without the liberation stripping it away. Your region would no longer collect new nations, and your officers will be too afraid to let any nations in with the fear of said new nations being spies of Antifa or Ruining Nazi Sandcastles or The Red Fleet. Your region, for all intents and purposes, will decline into nothing just as effectively as an invading army clearing it out.

I suppose, if I serve my country I must understand that some of my luxuries will be lost as a result.

Very Respectfully,

[Fratt]

Your region would no longer collect new nations, and your officers will be too afraid to let any nations in with the fear of said new nations being spies of Antifa or Ruining Nazi Sandcastles or The Red Fleet. Your region, for all intents and purposes, will decline into nothing just as effectively as an invading army clearing it out.

So why is this Liberation needed, if a password will make it die just as effectively?

[Lenlyvit]

Your region would no longer collect new nations, and your officers will be too afraid to let any nations in with the fear of said new nations being spies of Antifa or Ruining Nazi Sandcastles or The Red Fleet. Your region, for all intents and purposes, will decline into nothing just as effectively as an invading army clearing it out.

So why is this Liberation needed, if a password will make it die just as effectively?

Because without this they'll be able to pull a Hell model recruitment style. They have more than enough influence to keep changing that password over, and over, and over again. Getting new nations, indoctrinating people to their ways and beliefs. The liberation will prevent that.

[Lord Dominator]

Your region would no longer collect new nations, and your officers will be too afraid to let any nations in with the fear of said new nations being spies of Antifa or Ruining Nazi Sandcastles or The Red Fleet. Your region, for all intents and purposes, will decline into nothing just as effectively as an invading army clearing it out.

So why is this Liberation needed, if a password will make it die just as effectively?

Probably because the founder wouldn't need to have a hidden password if the delegate could change it

[Fratt]

But that makes it sound like locked-down regions are prosperous or secure so long as the WAD can change the password.
That's false for nearly all of them, which are in the state described by Lenly: unless you are meant to be a closed community (e.g., a roleplay group), when you password you are already in a poor state, and closing borders doesn't help.

[Kavagrad]

But that makes it sound like locked-down regions are prosperous or secure so long as the WAD can change the password.
That's false for nearly all of them, which are in the state described by Lenly: unless you are meant to be a closed community (e.g., a roleplay group), when you password you are already in a poor state, and closing borders doesn't help.

It's a nail in the coffin, effectively. They go from having a weak defence to none at all.

[The American Corporate Hegemony]

They have a right to their ideology. They are so many communists here yet you pick on the innocent fascists. Not the vile ideology of communism the disgusting ideology that killed the most people in history. The Kaierreich have a right to their ideology. You cant though police them when they haven't broken any rules. They can also say whatever they want in private and "behind closed doors" in a free environment. Real life is separate from nationstates where you cant say much

This.

[Lord Dominator]

They have a right to their ideology. They are so many communists here yet you pick on the innocent fascists. Not the vile ideology of communism the disgusting ideology that killed the most people in history. The Kaierreich have a right to their ideology. You cant though police them when they haven't broken any rules. They can also say whatever they want in private and "behind closed doors" in a free environment. Real life is separate from nationstates where you cant say much

This.

There are no rights here. The collective SC voters can do whatever the heck we want, provided we remain within NS rules.

[West Leas Oros]

*Cough* *cough* collaborators of REATO and Libertatem. *cough*

I know little about REATO, but didn't Libertatum have a habit of attacking Leftist regions? I know they struck one that I inhabited back in the day. And we were allied to Antifa, so it's quite possible that Antifa considered themselves provoked.

I know little about North Korea, but didn't TRF have a habit of attacking Right Libertarian regions? I know they struck one that I inhabited back in the day. And we were allied to Libertatem, so it's quite possible that Libertatem considered themselves provoked.

I took what you said, and reversed it. This has happened before. I for one, have met the nation who I will refer to as Korr for his safety. Korr was a member of a region called The Resistance against Antifa, which was a right libertarian region who happened to oppose antifa. They never managed to do anything to them, because they were powerless. Eventually, Korr tried to condemn the MT Army through the WA, but failed. The MT Army gloated at their defeat, and then Korr became delegate. The founder CTEd. Korr ordered everyone to leave the region, knowing the MT Army would come to destroy them. They left, and the MT Army faced the last vestiges of the region, but won none the less. Antifa saw them, realized they wanted the MT Army condemned, and destroyed them. Antifa struck a deadly blow because they didn't want a little badge that said they were Meanies.

[Kavagrad]

They have a right to their ideology. They are so many communists here yet you pick on the innocent fascists. Not the vile ideology of communism the disgusting ideology that killed the most people in history. The Kaierreich have a right to their ideology. You cant though police them when they haven't broken any rules. They can also say whatever they want in private and "behind closed doors" in a free environment. Real life is separate from nationstates where you cant say much

This.

Again, nobody is stopping them from speaking.

I don't know how many times this needs repeating.

[Lord Dominator]

This.

Again, nobody is stopping them from speaking.

I don't know how many times this needs repeating.

Also this.

[Sarakart]

Lord Dominator, after a recent successful raid, looks terribly confused when speaking to a TRT reporter. When asked what's the matter, they scratch their head and clean a flake of blood over their fingernail.

"When we pulled up and raided the place, you know, they didn't really fight back or call for defenders. They just said it was their democratic right to be there. So uh, we agreed, and put in our election bullets."

"Don't you mean ballots?"

"Nope. Well, anyways, they're still counting, but I think..." they turn back to the flaming wreckage of the region and shrug. "I think we won."

"..."

Lord Dominator beams as she stares at the hoisting of their tag over the crumbling ruin of the region's parliament. "You know, I think I like democracy."

[Jar Wattinree]

Lord Dominator, after a recent successful raid, looks terribly confused when speaking to a TRT reporter. When asked what's the matter, they scratch their head and clean a flake of blood over their fingernail.

"When we pulled up and raided the place, you know, they didn't really fight back or call for defenders. They just said it was their democratic right to be there. So uh, we agreed, and put in our election bullets."

"Don't you mean ballots?"

"Nope. Well, anyways, they're still counting, but I think..." they turn back to the flaming wreckage of the region and shrug. "I think we won."

Election bullets, lmao

[West Leas Oros]

This.

Again, nobody is stopping them from speaking.

I don't know how many times this needs repeating.

You might be trying to stop them from speaking. Just sayin'