[PASSED] Liberate KAISERREICH

[Lord Dominator]

They won't have the numbers, and it's far from a sad day. Even if their ideology wasn't reprehensible, they're raiders and thus lose any right to being defended along those grounds as well. When they burn, I'll be right there pouring the gasoline.

It seems a lot like a few bad eggs are spoiling it for the region and that they're generally not Nazis.
They're getting far worse treatment than any othe raiders for what? A few bad discord jokes?

Perhaps, but more importantly not taking any steps to address what nearly everyone outside of the region has said they should address, like the aforementioned Holocaust jokes

[Lenlyvit]

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Well duh, you can't say on the RMB what you're saying in your discord. If you did you would all be deleted faster than a tornado tearing through a building.

[Arcellia]

They won't have the numbers, and it's far from a sad day. Even if their ideology wasn't reprehensible, they're raiders and thus lose any right to being defended along those grounds as well. When they burn, I'll be right there pouring the gasoline.

It seems a lot like a few bad eggs are spoiling it for the region and that they're generally not Nazis.
They're getting far worse treatment than any othe raiders for what? A few bad discord jokes?

If the other raiders had been making these jokes, then laughing them off, said raiders would also be getting "far worse treatment".

[Greater vakolicci haven]

It seems a lot like a few bad eggs are spoiling it for the region and that they're generally not Nazis.
They're getting far worse treatment than any othe raiders for what? A few bad discord jokes?

Perhaps, but more importantly not taking any steps to address what nearly everyone outside of the region has said they should address, like the aforementioned Holocaust jokes

So bad moderation is a grounds for community destruction now?

[Baltishe]

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Well duh, you can't say on the RMB what you're saying in your discord. If you did you would all be deleted faster than a tornado tearing through a building.

B-b-but my main point was that Kaiserreich is all one big game.
(;-;)

[Apostate]

National Socialists are known for:

1)Harsh suppression of beliefs not their own -(happening on this forum)

Disparaging, threatening and bullying those who do not agree with them, making them even wear "badges" (gold stars, pink triangles) - This group is threatening a "badge of shame" for kaiserreich.

Totally ignoring the rights of the minority, in favor of the majority (also rampant on this forum, the former "the communal confederacy" thread as well)

Demanding compliance while promising consequences (all over this action)

I would posit, that the behavior most congruent with that of dictatorial regimes is not stemming from Kaiserreich, but rather from the various "families and organizations/regions" that are promulgating we in Kaisereich be labelled, shamed, and rendered less defensible.

I am enough of a mench to know that calling people NAZI is stupid without actual evidence, and I call no one here that label. However I feel that the herd mentality going on is much closer to what we are being accused of, rather than what we are doing.

(Obviously I used terrible IRL historical examples to link to the silly forum postings, not trying to equate the two by any means,) but draw parallels to the lynch mob mentality.

I declare, openly and happily, that this proposal is bunk, as are its supporters authors and editors, as our region is by and large a peaceful one with role-play and politics discussions, as well as general chatting and socializing. We raid infrequently, and small targets. For fun. This is a bad proposal. We are not looking for condemnations or liberation's or any sort of attention of this nature. Simply leave us alone to play our game in peace!

[The 19th Century]

So I’m just going to point out that I’m already insanely biased on the issue, and it’s only your choice if you want to continue reading, skim over, or just skip entirely over what I’m going to say. But I’m going to go ahead and tell whomever is reading this that I will attempt to keep this as professional and respectful of all involved as I can.
I’d like to point out that I myself am a Centrist. I am of Dutch ancestry and despise the Nazis for what they have done to my ancestor’s country. Yes, I am in agreement that fascism and Nazism have created a very large amount of discord on our planet. One that can be felt today.
Well. I’m not here to argue with anyone over how Nazi Kaiserreich is for using German imagery, nor it’s past actions and propaganda. I am here to tell you of what the region is used for today.
First up, as I’ve said before: Propaganda means little to nothing in the daily doings of Kaiserreich citizens. I myself barely look at propaganda, nor do I ever have a desire to look at it when it is shared with me. It just means nothing to our citizens.
Secondly, the region is mostly used for fun. I am in agreement that this can sometimes be harassment of individuals (which must be worked on), but our RMB as you can see, is made up of mostly Rp posts, and satirical posts of daily happenings, we sometimes enjoy conversations of our personal lives and doings. As you can see from my RMB posts, I often talk about playing European Football, summers, and where I live. Finally, we also can see that Kaiserreich is largely an Rp region. I am proud to say that it is generally active and fun. I would invite some of you to join had you not been so hostile to my region. Our Rp has always been a big part in the region, you can see where whole sections of the RMB are composed of Rp posts and happenings.
What I’m trying to say is, Kaiserreich is a place for people to have fun, and relax regardless of who you are, and our culture as a region is largely irrelevant in most aspects of this fun. Going through with this proposal will only bring boredom to the game for most players, some may quit playing if you take away this game from them. So what you should do is lighten up a little! Maybe one day after all of this is over you can join our Rp or join us in discussions of our lives and daily happenings!

If I was to give a sales pitch for Forest or North Carolina -- the two regions where I consistently maintain nations and would be willing to stand up for the region publicly -- I could do it without shooting myself in the foot by saying that our idea of "fun" sometimes includes harassing people.

[Baltishe]

So I’m just going to point out that I’m already insanely biased on the issue, and it’s only your choice if you want to continue reading, skim over, or just skip entirely over what I’m going to say. But I’m going to go ahead and tell whomever is reading this that I will attempt to keep this as professional and respectful of all involved as I can.
I’d like to point out that I myself am a Centrist. I am of Dutch ancestry and despise the Nazis for what they have done to my ancestor’s country. Yes, I am in agreement that fascism and Nazism have created a very large amount of discord on our planet. One that can be felt today.
Well. I’m not here to argue with anyone over how Nazi Kaiserreich is for using German imagery, nor it’s past actions and propaganda. I am here to tell you of what the region is used for today.
First up, as I’ve said before: Propaganda means little to nothing in the daily doings of Kaiserreich citizens. I myself barely look at propaganda, nor do I ever have a desire to look at it when it is shared with me. It just means nothing to our citizens.
Secondly, the region is mostly used for fun. I am in agreement that this can sometimes be harassment of individuals (which must be worked on), but our RMB as you can see, is made up of mostly Rp posts, and satirical posts of daily happenings, we sometimes enjoy conversations of our personal lives and doings. As you can see from my RMB posts, I often talk about playing European Football, summers, and where I live. Finally, we also can see that Kaiserreich is largely an Rp region. I am proud to say that it is generally active and fun. I would invite some of you to join had you not been so hostile to my region. Our Rp has always been a big part in the region, you can see where whole sections of the RMB are composed of Rp posts and happenings.
What I’m trying to say is, Kaiserreich is a place for people to have fun, and relax regardless of who you are, and our culture as a region is largely irrelevant in most aspects of this fun. Going through with this proposal will only bring boredom to the game for most players, some may quit playing if you take away this game from them. So what you should do is lighten up a little! Maybe one day after all of this is over you can join our Rp or join us in discussions of our lives and daily happenings!

If I was to give a sales pitch for Forest or North Carolina -- the two regions where I consistently maintain nations and would be willing to stand up for the region publicly -- I could do it without shooting myself in the foot by saying that our idea of "fun" sometimes includes harassing people.

I even said it myself, it is something we must work on. It is hardly grounds to delete the region though.

[Triemann]

Whether or not we are Nazis, we no longer have the right to be a community now? Actually Nazi regions, like Nazi Europa, get to sit back and laugh while regions such as Kaiserreich, which have not taken a regional standing glorifying Nazism, get to be subject to such harassment?

I don't give a flying flip whether any of you really think we are Nazis or not, but this fact remains: the region does not endorse Nazism, in fact we're in current Cold War stages with Nazi regions across NS. We have the right to be a community, despite a large part of our members being offensive to you all.

I would rather a region get "liberated" for a legitimate reason aside from being in the spotlight for distasteful behaviors. Actual reasons like, you know, regionally endorsed Nazism.

Please stop this nonsense in taking away our right to become a community.

[Kurnugia]

National Socialists are known for:

We raid infrequently, and small targets. For fun. This is a bad proposal. We are not looking for condemnations or liberation's or any sort of attention of this nature. Simply leave us alone to play our game in peace!

Well as soon as you "raid" you get attention. Funny isn't it? If you wouldn't have raided communal confederacy, you would have been left alone/ did not get that amount of attention.

[Drop Your Pants]

Actually Nazi regions, like Nazi Europa, get to sit back and laugh while regions such as Kaiserreich, which have not taken a regional standing glorifying Nazism, get to be subject to such harassment?

They started with Nazi Europe

[Aclion]

National Socialists are known for:

We raid infrequently, and small targets. For fun. This is a bad proposal. We are not looking for condemnations or liberation's or any sort of attention of this nature. Simply leave us alone to play our game in peace!

If you wouldn't have raided communal confederacy, you would have been left alone/ did not get that amount of attention.

Now now, We all know that's not true.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

National Socialists are known for:

We raid infrequently, and small targets. For fun. This is a bad proposal. We are not looking for condemnations or liberation's or any sort of attention of this nature. Simply leave us alone to play our game in peace!

Well as soon as you "raid" you get attention. Funny isn't it? If you wouldn't have raided communal confederacy, you would have been left alone/ did not get that amount of attention.

So...So you'll be liberating other regions that partake in raiding?

[Kurnugia]

If you wouldn't have raided communal confederacy, you would have been left alone/ did not get that amount of attention.

Now now, We all know that's not true.

As soon as you get involved in GP you are getting attention from other regions. That is just a fact.

Well as soon as you "raid" you get attention. Funny isn't it? If you wouldn't have raided communal confederacy, you would have been left alone/ did not get that amount of attention.

So...So you'll be liberating other regions that partake in raiding?

Where did I say that? I was just refuting the point of attention of Apostate.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I can edit things too

[Lenlyvit]

Actually Nazi regions, like Nazi Europa, get to sit back and laugh while regions such as Kaiserreich, which have not taken a regional standing glorifying Nazism, get to be subject to such harassment?

They started with Nazi Europe

And will more than likely continue with Nazi Europa after this.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

They started with Nazi Europe

And will more than likely continue with Nazi Europa after this.

I don't see that founder account CTE'ing any time soon.

[Jar Wattinree]

Whether or not we are Nazis, we no longer have the right to be a community now? Actually Nazi regions, like Nazi Europa, get to sit back and laugh while regions such as Kaiserreich, which have not taken a regional standing glorifying Nazism, get to be subject to such harassment?

They, at least, own up to the label. Sticking to your beliefs is better than trying to deny what is obvious.

I don't give a flying flip whether any of you really think we are Nazis or not, but this fact remains: the region does not endorse Nazism, in fact we're in current Cold War stages with Nazi regions across NS. We have the right to be a community, despite a large part of our members being offensive to you all.

The region perhaps may not endorse being Nazi, or fascist, but it does contain and tolerate members who do espouse such things, even if it is jokingly done. As I've said before, in every other region and chat I've been in, the admin staff is quick to kick out anybody who engages in these jokes, if they are not persuaded beforehand by members of the community to delete their jokes. A prominent Feeder I hang out in, The East Pacific, is quite known for its memes and jokes -- especially in their Discord -- but they keep things on a leash and it never gets out of hand without an admin saying "That's enough". Queen Yuno can answer any questions.

I would rather a region get "liberated" for a legitimate reason aside from being in the spotlight for distasteful behaviors. Actual reasons like, you know, regionally endorsed Nazism.

Please stop this nonsense in taking away our right to become a community.

Does "regionally endorsed Nazism" include allowing memes about the Jews and Holocaust denial in Discord channels that aren't even hidden from random Joes who wander into the server? In the mind of the greater Gameplay community, this is legitimate reason enough, plus the aforementioned individuals you tolerate to be among your ranks.

And again, your right to a community isn't being taken away. Your Founder still stands. You'd fall either way without a Liberation when your Founder CTEs. This is just a formality.

[The New Texan Republic Of Dallas]

Hey, not a bad proposal.
Liberate Kaiserreich so that when it goes founderless (which it inevitably will, with your volatile founder) there's no password to prevent raids on it.

If this does come to pass, could any of you please not attempt that on any new region I or some of the other KR members form because the region would mainly be used for chatting and RP stuff, which has been why I have stayed for the majority of 2 years in the region.

[Kurnugia]

Hey, not a bad proposal.
Liberate Kaiserreich so that when it goes founderless (which it inevitably will, with your volatile founder) there's no password to prevent raids on it.

If this does come to pass, could any of you please not attempt that on any new region I or some of the other KR members form because the region would mainly be used for chatting and RP stuff, which has been why I have stayed for the majority of 2 years in the region.

Sure. I can only speak for myself though.

[Canton Empire]

Hey, not a bad proposal.
Liberate Kaiserreich so that when it goes founderless (which it inevitably will, with your volatile founder) there's no password to prevent raids on it.

If this does come to pass, could any of you please not attempt that on any new region I or some of the other KR members form because the region would mainly be used for chatting and RP stuff, which has been why I have stayed for the majority of 2 years in the region.

Some of the raider world works with a Kasierreich splinter region, I think you'll be fine.

[The New Texan Republic Of Dallas]

It's a raider region, for god's sake, you'd think they can take a little heat.

You'd be wrong. Very wrong.

Considering our military has had to been reformed several times in 2 years just so we don’t get crushed, yeah no, the region hasn’t several die hard hard liners who take any insult or or joke on the region as a crime that must be met win an apology or by posting insults or what not.

[The New Texan Republic Of Dallas]

*grrrrrrrgh* Another "Is Kaiserreich fascist?" flamewar, this time with shades of "is communism evil?". Whoop de friggin' do.
Look, it's clear by now that this isn't going anywhere. Yelling at each other about fascism fixes no one's problems. And as for the resolution itself, liberating a region with an active founder and no password is a stupid idea in every possible sense of the words.

It's for when the founder CTEs, as a preemptive measure.

Did you even open your eyes?

"KAISERREICH may continue to hold onto these feeble protests of "we're not Nazi!" but its behavior toward these drafts are very indicative of its true nature, or at least those of its citizens who try to defend it."

lmao

KAISERREICH claims it is not fascist or Nazi and instead says it is German Empire themed. Yet, when we look at the evidence, they not only tolerate it amongst their ranks but refuse to change by eliminating it when it is brought to their attention. A proper Gameplay-conscious region would purge those elements from its ranks, or at the very least keep them suppressed and secure. If KReich was smarter, they would have locked those "joking" channels behind citizen masks so your random Joe wouldn't be able to take screenshots of its own Discord channels containing the very evidence you claim is not representative of the region.

Have you seen our past history, if we started purging now, we might have another separatist movement or heavy attacks on the government like spam attacks or or just flat out spam posting of insults and threats in rmb and that would call for tens or even hundreds of page s to be supressed.

[Fauxia]

It's for when the founder CTEs, as a preemptive measure.


lmao

KAISERREICH claims it is not fascist or Nazi and instead says it is German Empire themed. Yet, when we look at the evidence, they not only tolerate it amongst their ranks but refuse to change by eliminating it when it is brought to their attention. A proper Gameplay-conscious region would purge those elements from its ranks, or at the very least keep them suppressed and secure. If KReich was smarter, they would have locked those "joking" channels behind citizen masks so your random Joe wouldn't be able to take screenshots of its own Discord channels containing the very evidence you claim is not representative of the region.

Have you seen our past history, if we started purging now, we might have another separatist movement or heavy attacks on the government like spam attacks or or just flat out spam posting of insults and threats in rmb and that would call for tens or even hundreds of page s to be supressed.

Oh no, dissent in an online game! That’s really a big problem! Compared to being so open to nazism!

If you’ll have a Separatist Movement if you purge the nazis... no one cares. Nazism is a bigger problem

How is this cheating?

I heard if you press "up up bottom bottom left right left right B A" you get an extra 1k votes in the SC.

How come no one told me about the secret button on Breeze?!

[The Atlae Isles]

I heard if you press "up up bottom bottom left right left right B A" you get an extra 1k votes in the SC.

How come no one told me about the secret button on Breeze?!

Because it’s Breeze#.