[PASSED] Liberate KAISERREICH

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Totally against, though many would know that already.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Finally, no one in KR has earned a condemnation or this “liberation”, which simply removes a fundamental right of a founder.

Just to clarify the rules as a moderator, a liberation does not remove the ability for a founder to set a regional password, only the WA delegate.

Does this affect regional officers?

[Kurnugia]

Just to clarify the rules as a moderator, a liberation does not remove the ability for a founder to set a regional password, only the WA delegate.

Does this affect regional officers?

I think it does. I mean else the raiders would simply make a RO do the PW.

[New Cla]

Not for as one of the reasons is that they are Fascist and Nazi so it brings up the question if the ideology ban is remove would you ban fascism.

[Cyng]

What a joke. So childish, doesn't even deserve to be debated against

[Blood Wine]

It's really easy to play a game when you know all the cheatcodes

How is this cheating?

We are not ignore that guy. We are simply Monarchists

No you aren't, stop pretending

Liberation resolutions are meant for regions that are occupied, not for regions that you personally don't like and would like to see destroyed in the long term.

I read the original post that inspired this proposal, but I'm surprised somebody was delusional enough to actually go through with it.

I'm usually unsympathetic to raider regions, but when I'm going to have to side with them when all they've been getting is total shit from leftists ever since they've raided a minor, on-the-verge-of-death region.

Liberation resolutions are meant to remove the password/prevent passwords, using it to open up a region is a legit and tactical use

This is, indeed, a concern. Such a Liberation, though well-intentioned, brings up questions about essentially Liberating every other fascist region out there.

So? it's only an issue if you're a fascist

My idea in General, there are so many more bad regions then KAISERREICH that could actually be punished for more serious crimes then just some bad memes & jokes.

No worries, the SC has enough time to punish all fascists, including kaiserreich

So this would only come into fundamental effect if and when the KR founder CTEs/is deleted. Before that it have only symbolic effect, as a slightly less toothless condemnation?

Well no, a liberation would be equal to what a condemnation is supposed to be, it's a black mark on a raider region

[Laurenburg]

Have you considered switching regions? Cos Kaiserreich is just coming off looking terrible right now.

Over my residence here in KR, there has been some highs and some lows. However, in total, I have enjoyed myself here, and I have become a respected and valued member of the community. That kind of value takes time and dedication to build and develop. Regardless of what a bunch of other nations who I have never interacted with or heard of think of the region I am a part of, I will not abandon a community where I have spent time and dedication building myself as a member of, and start from scratch in an unknown, unfriendly region, where I will have to jump over the initial hurldles and go through the inaugural hoops just to gain the groundwork for the esteem that I have already built in KR.

[Laurenburg]

We are not ignore that guy. We are simply Monarchists

No you aren't, stop pretending

Why do you believe that you have the authority to determine what someone does or does not believe better than their own self?

[Kavagrad]

Obviously in support. Any reason to kick a chunk out of NS fascists is a good one.

[Lenlyvit]

Alright, at this point I'm just waiting to see what revisions Cormac has in mind.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Alright, at this point I'm just waiting to see what revisions Cormac has in mind.

I've been looking it over again, and I think I was mostly just nitpicking. I would just roll with it as-is after a quick proofread.

[Jar Wattinree]

Just to clarify the rules as a moderator, a liberation does not remove the ability for a founder to set a regional password, only the WA delegate.

Does this affect regional officers?

Yes, it affects ROs and the WAD. Founders are unaffected.

[The 19th Century]

Have you considered switching regions? Cos Kaiserreich is just coming off looking terrible right now.

Over my residence here in KR, there has been some highs and some lows. However, in total, I have enjoyed myself here, and I have become a respected and valued member of the community. That kind of value takes time and dedication to build and develop. Regardless of what a bunch of other nations who I have never interacted with or heard of think of the region I am a part of, I will not abandon a community where I have spent time and dedication building myself as a member of, and start from scratch in an unknown, unfriendly region, where I will have to jump over the initial hurldles and go through the inaugural hoops just to gain the groundwork for the esteem that I have already built in KR.

In that case, it is perfectly fair for people to judge you based on the poor conduct of the region. You're not just someone who innocently parked a nation there. You are actively defending the region's reputation. By doing that, you become personally responsible.

It's not just the Nazi crap itself that's the issue; it's the sniveling denial and refusal to even own up to what's going on in your region. If you like Nazi roleplays or something, own up to the Nazism, and own up to the fact that you've decided to proceed despite the potential to cause offense. Don't try to sweep it under the rug and pretend like there's nothing potentially offensive. Don't go around trying to make everyone else the bad guy.

And please show me where I ever suggested that you should join an unfriendly region. If you think shoveling shit is an inherent part of moving to a new region, then you're looking at the wrong regions.

[Tim-Opolis]

You know, I was opposed to this initially out of a general belief that it'd be a waste of time until Kreich's founder croaks.

However, given the immeasurable amount of Fascist Salt over this, I'm in full support. If they get Condemned, they'll just use it as a badge of Honor. Give em this one.

[Baltishe]

This is... interesting to say the least.

[Neo-Potentheon]

Obviously in support. Any reason to kick a chunk out of NS fascists is a good one.

“Lok at all thoze nahtzee fashists!!1!!1 Reeeeeeee”

[Jar Wattinree]

This is... interesting to say the least.

Indeed, it's one of the few debates I've gotten into here. If SC is this much fun I'll pop up here more often.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I just hope kreich has the numbers to defend themselves if their founder CTE's. It's a sad day when I think that the only defender willing to defend unpopular regions is myself.

[Baltishe]

So I’m just going to point out that I’m already insanely biased on the issue, and it’s only your choice if you want to continue reading, skim over, or just skip entirely over what I’m going to say. But I’m going to go ahead and tell whomever is reading this that I will attempt to keep this as professional and respectful of all involved as I can.
I’d like to point out that I myself am a Centrist. I am of Dutch ancestry and despise the Nazis for what they have done to my ancestor’s country. Yes, I am in agreement that fascism and Nazism have created a very large amount of discord on our planet. One that can be felt today.
Well. I’m not here to argue with anyone over how Nazi Kaiserreich is for using German imagery, nor it’s past actions and propaganda. I am here to tell you of what the region is used for today.
First up, as I’ve said before: Propaganda means little to nothing in the daily doings of Kaiserreich citizens. I myself barely look at propaganda, nor do I ever have a desire to look at it when it is shared with me. It just means nothing to our citizens.
Secondly, the region is mostly used for fun. I am in agreement that this can sometimes be harassment of individuals (which must be worked on), but our RMB as you can see, is made up of mostly Rp posts, and satirical posts of daily happenings, we sometimes enjoy conversations of our personal lives and doings. As you can see from my RMB posts, I often talk about playing European Football, summers, and where I live. Finally, we also can see that Kaiserreich is largely an Rp region. I am proud to say that it is generally active and fun. I would invite some of you to join had you not been so hostile to my region. Our Rp has always been a big part in the region, you can see where whole sections of the RMB are composed of Rp posts and happenings.
What I’m trying to say is, Kaiserreich is a place for people to have fun, and relax regardless of who you are, and our culture as a region is largely irrelevant in most aspects of this fun. Going through with this proposal will only bring boredom to the game for most players, some may quit playing if you take away this game from them. So what you should do is lighten up a little! Maybe one day after all of this is over you can join our Rp or join us in discussions of our lives and daily happenings!

[Lord Dominator]

I just hope kreich has the numbers to defend themselves if their founder CTE's. It's a sad day when I think that the only defender willing to defend unpopular regions is myself.

I think you underestimate how many people are willing to grind fascist regions into fine powder

[Ransium]

Obviously in support. Any reason to kick a chunk out of NS fascists is a good one.

“Lok at all thoze nahtzee fashists!!1!!1 Reeeeeeee”

Use of the “autistic screeching” meme is considered trolling against autistic folks and therefore disallowed on this site. *** 1-day ban for trolling ***

To add: In this case it could also be seen as flaming Kabagrad.

[Tim-Opolis]

I just hope kreich has the numbers to defend themselves if their founder CTE's. It's a sad day when I think that the only defender willing to defend unpopular regions is myself.

They won't have the numbers, and it's far from a sad day. Even if their ideology wasn't reprehensible, they're raiders and thus lose any right to being defended along those grounds as well. When they burn, I'll be right there pouring the gasoline.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I just hope kreich has the numbers to defend themselves if their founder CTE's. It's a sad day when I think that the only defender willing to defend unpopular regions is myself.

They won't have the numbers, and it's far from a sad day. Even if their ideology wasn't reprehensible, they're raiders and thus lose any right to being defended along those grounds as well. When they burn, I'll be right there pouring the gasoline.

It seems a lot like a few bad eggs are spoiling it for the region and that they're generally not Nazis.
They're getting far worse treatment than any othe raiders for what? A few bad discord jokes?

[Kurnugia]

It's really easy to play a game when you know all the cheatcodes

How is this cheating?

I heard if you press "up up bottom bottom left right left right B A" you get an extra 1k votes in the SC.

[Colorado-Kansas]

This is a meme