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[DEFEATED] Condemn The Black Hawks (by Union of Caplis)

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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:14 pm

Union of Caplis wrote:
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Well, I do think that adding a third sign to the other two is overkill. Plus, it does nothing that actually punishes them. It's like giving someone a slap on the hand. Other than looking bad, it's basically nothing.

I understand your feelings on this. What would you propose as a better alternative?


Ignore them. Commending them would be completely contrary to your goal, and liberating the region won't work due to having a non-executive delegate. Just put up with them.

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Postby Union of Caplis » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:07 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
Union of Caplis wrote:I understand your feelings on this. What would you propose as a better alternative?


Ignore them. Commending them would be completely contrary to your goal, and liberating the region won't work due to having a non-executive delegate. Just put up with them.

Ignoring them is contrary to my goal.
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Postby Agadar » Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:20 pm

Union of Caplis wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
Ignore them. Commending them would be completely contrary to your goal, and liberating the region won't work due to having a non-executive delegate. Just put up with them.

Ignoring them is contrary to my goal.


Your options are:

1) rewarding them with another condemnation badge,
2) ignoring them, or
3) try to root them out through R/D game-play.

The choice is yours. Right now, you're taking the first option.
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Wolf state
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Postby Wolf state » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:50 pm

he would rush in after being late to the meeting and sits down after hearing about the debate online he would then quickly say "i join this meeting to say there is no point to attack them you can try to argue about him attacking but every one attacks unless he is nazi hitler attacking every one and gassing the jewish population i see no point in it ill have to vote no on that im sorry"

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Postby The Noble Thatcherites » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:53 pm

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Postby Srianna Gestane » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:53 pm

Agadar wrote:Your options are:

1) rewarding them with another condemnation badge,
2) ignoring them, or
3) try to root them out through R/D game-play.

The choice is yours. Right now, you're taking the first option.
Why not all three?

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Postby Hollibourn » Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:54 pm

Gotta luv the ringleaders.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Mar 11, 2018 4:20 pm

Full support, gotta give those evil raiders the what for.

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Postby Hatterleigh » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:21 pm

If they see condemnations as trophies, wouldn't it be better not to condemn them? It isn't like this is going to be some sort of heavy blow to The Black Hawks.
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Postby Miedzy » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:25 pm

Triple-condemnation?

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Postby Reutoa » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:25 pm

Your just playing into their hands, you seriously think Raiders care about "Condemnations?" No they don't.
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Postby Miedzy » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:27 pm

i have a great idea-
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:34 pm

Reutoa wrote:Your just playing into their hands, you seriously think Raiders care about "Condemnations?" No they don't.

We care, just not in the way you want

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Postby Flanderlion » Sun Mar 11, 2018 6:54 pm

Why not repeal the current condemnations?
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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:29 pm

Union of Caplis wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
Ignore them. Commending them would be completely contrary to your goal, and liberating the region won't work due to having a non-executive delegate. Just put up with them.

Ignoring them is contrary to my goal.


Well, I don't see any other avenues that would help, so you might as well just ignore them.

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Postby Sarakart » Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:31 pm

Repealing the condemnation is an option.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Sarakart wrote:Repealing the condemnation is an option.

Technically, yes it is. In practice repealing either is highly unlikely

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Postby Sarakart » Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:54 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Sarakart wrote:Repealing the condemnation is an option.

Technically, yes it is. In practice repealing either is highly unlikely


Yeah, I don't particularly care either way.
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Postby Great New Sealand » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:02 pm

“Observing, that the World Assembly has withdrawn condemnation of The Black Hawks as the region sees condemnations as rewards;“
I don’t see why we must condem them if they see it as a badge. I am very against this, and this should have never put up. I understand they raided your region, but to say they think it as an award puts no reason to condem them.


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Postby Triangle And Square » Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:51 pm

OOC: TNP's viewpoint on this resolution:

Currently before the Security Council is yet another condemnation of The Black Hawks, one of the largest raider organizations in NationStates. This proposal acknowledges the fact that The Black Hawks views condemnations as badges of honour, yet says it seeks to curb raider activity through the issuance of this condemnation. Taking into account that this proposal merely reiterates actions already condemned by the World Assembly and that issuing a new condemnation would only encourage raider activity, the Ministry sees no reason to condemn The Black Hawks for a third time.

For these reasons, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote against the proposal.
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Postby Miss Bad Life Choices » Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:39 am

> "Observing, that the World Assembly has withdrawn condemnation of The Black Hawks as the region sees condemnations as rewards;"

> Condemning them again

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Postby Arcellia » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:27 am

Oh, are we rewarding TBH again? I'm sure they don't mind the publicity, but three might be a little overkill. :p
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Postby South Acren » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:26 am

Why do we even try to condemn a region that LIKES to be condemned?
I'm against it
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Postby Reformed High Reiserland » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:09 am

If condemnations are awards for them, I think the choice should be obvious.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:11 am

Reformed High Reiserland wrote:If condemnations are awards for them, I think the choice should be obvious.

It is. Now why does the electorate not agree with me?

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