[DEFEATED] Liberate Westphalia

[Louisistan]

RECOGNISING Westphalia as a region of historical and cultural significance to many nations of the world,

CONCERNED by the forceful invasion and occupation of Westphalia by hostile forces,

OBSERVING that the invading forces are led by The Black Hawks, an organisation twice condemned by this Council through SC #52 and SC #217,

TAKING NOTICE that the occupation is supported by Lone Wolves United, yet another organisation condemned by this Council through SC #74,

WORRIED for the future of Westphalia given the record of destruction of the aforementioned organisations,

NOTING that the region of Westphalia did not pose a threat to the invading forces prior to this incursion,

GRAVELY CONCERNED that Border Control measures have already been put in place over Westphalia by the occupying forces,

APPALLED at the forced removal of the native nations from their home and at the forceful termination of all diplomatic relations,

HORRIFIED that no native nations remain in the occupied region,

ASSERTING its commitment to regional sovereignty,

the Security Council hereby

LIBERATES Westphalia

Given that the entire native population has been removed, this will be submitted soon.

[Tetros]

I approve of this, but we need that something else that will get it approved. Especially with last time being fully defeated. We need to do something to make it work

[Fauxia]

I approve of this, but we need that something else that will get it approved. Especially with last time being fully defeated. We need to do something to make it work

Writing it well always helps, and its an advantage this one has that the other didn’t.

[Tetros]

I approve of this, but we need that something else that will get it approved. Especially with last time being fully defeated. We need to do something to make it work

Writing it well always helps, and its an advantage this one has that the other didn’t.

I think that we need to capitalise on the idea that we’re a big community, with a lot of one. Reaching out to bigger regions for their support would definitely give us an edge.

[Fauxia]

Writing it well always helps, and its an advantage this one has that the other didn’t.

I think that we need to capitalise on the idea that we’re a big community, with a lot of one. Reaching out to bigger regions for their support would definitely give us an edge.

Big regions generally already have their opinion, but you’re in one, why not campaign for it there?

[Divitalia]

I’m going to say, I’m a bit out of the loop on the whole Westphalia thing. All I know is that TBH took it over and they moved to a new region. Where they’re all gone already, does it even matter anymore?

[The Stalker]

A bit late at this point, but I support. Will need to keep an eye on the region, should this look like it's passing, they will likely refound.

[Fauxia]

A bit late at this point, but I support. Will need to keep an eye on the region, should this look like it's passing, they will likely refound.

Yep.

Might have ridden out a bit of possible voter fatigue though. Hopefully people are itching to vote on an SC resolution

[Umbrella United corporation]

They left a team to control Westphalia and if need be to kill it later

[Fauxia]

They left a team to control Westphalia and if need be to kill it later

Well yes, they plan to keep the region in their own control. However, they will be forced to refound if Westphalia is liberated. Refounding is hard when you can't password.

[Ravkania]

I’m going to say, I’m a bit out of the loop on the whole Westphalia thing. All I know is that TBH took it over and they moved to a new region. Where they’re all gone already, does it even matter anymore?

We’d like to preserve its history of over 4,000 RMB pages.

[Louisistan]

I’m going to say, I’m a bit out of the loop on the whole Westphalia thing. All I know is that TBH took it over and they moved to a new region. Where they’re all gone already, does it even matter anymore?

We’d like to preserve its history of over 4,000 RMB pages.

Not to mention the fact that Westphalia is a real-life place and some people may not like the region dying off as a TBH trophy.

[Fratt]

All I know is that TBH took it over and they moved to a new region. Where they’re all gone already, does it even matter anymore?

The natives are all gone because they have been ejected.
They cannot return because there is a raider-installed password on their home region.
This resolution removes the password.

[Arcellia]

We’d like to preserve its history of over 4,000 RMB pages.

Not to mention the fact that Westphalia is a real-life place and some people may not like the region dying off as a TBH trophy.

It's not entirely a TBH trophy in the making. TBH just uses it as advertisement for their general success. Unknown is currently in control of it.

Of course, Westphalia had a history of antagonizing people Unknown's members were friendly with. There is also a documented history of what happens when natives antagonize raiders.

The Liberation proposal has a chance of succeeding, but it would have helped the cause if the raiders had no more justification for the region being utterly razed than "lol defender region lol".

[Kshrlmnt]

At the request of a native, there is indeed an ongoing project to preserve the RMB. I can ask him to post here to confirm if you'd like.

To explain a little bit more for those who don't know: Westphalia's founder, Petain/Mike/Rolamec, used to be the leader of a close ally, but later destroyed their forums. Several former citizens joined Unknown, and he tried to pin the forum destruction on them. He then used his subsequent regions to wage war against us, putting that manufactured grudge ahead of the regions' security.

[Louisistan]

At the request of a native, there is indeed an ongoing project to preserve the RMB. I can ask him to post here to confirm if you'd like.

To explain a little bit more for those who don't know: Westphalia's founder, Petain/Mike/Rolamec, used to be the leader of a close ally, but later destroyed their forums. Several former citizens joined Unknown, and he tried to pin the forum destruction on them. He then used his subsequent regions to wage war against us, putting that manufactured grudge ahead of the regions' security.

Or, you could save yourself all that work by not refounding the region.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

3rd attempt's the charm?

RECOGNISING Westphalia as a region of historical and cultural significance to many nations of the world,

A statement that could use proof, if not in the proposal, in this thread.

CONCERNED by the forceful invasion and occupation of Westphalia by hostile forces,

A gimme clause. Of course defenders would be concerned by a defender-aligned region being invaded

OBSERVING that the invading forces are led by The Black Hawks, an organisation twice condemned by this Council through SC #52 and SC #217,

TAKING NOTICE that the occupation is supported by Lone Wolves United, yet another organisation condemned by this Council through SC #74,

Thanks for the publicity, man. I'm jealous of LWU - they're getting much better return for their time/endos here than we are.

WORRIED for the future of Westphalia given the record of destruction of the aforementioned organisations,

Good thing then that LWU never had input into the future of Westphalia, and that TBH has handed it off to a region taking steps to reasonably preserve the region's history while seeking their justice.

NOTING that the region of Westphalia did not pose a threat to the invading forces prior to this incursion,

SWORD, the defender alliance it was part of, did indeed though.

GRAVELY CONCERNED that Border Control measures have already been put in place over Westphalia by the occupying forces,

One indeed does such when trying to prevent other defenders from reclaiming the region.

APPALLED at the forced removal of the native nations from their home and at the forceful termination of all diplomatic relations,

And I'm appalled at the region's history of destroying forums and then framing others for it, as ancient news as that is.

HORRIFIED that no native nations remain in the occupied region,

Repetitive re: the last line. I thought this was going to be better written than the prior attempts, and that's why lib 1 was shot down by mainstream defenders?

ASSERTING its commitment to regional sovereignty,

the Security Council hereby

LIBERATES Westphalia

Good luck.

Given that the entire native population has been removed, this will be submitted soon.

It was really not necessary to kill the first one and wait for this point. Also, quite the TG campaign, I'd imagine, given how fast this got to quorum between major and minor.

[Lord Dominator]

Third time around, same as the first;
Aren't delegate stomps just the worst?

[Telta]

Although I dont care that much, it is starting to bug me that this is still a topic, but i have one question for The Black Hawks,

[Telta]

So what i see is that The Black Hawks are trying to keep Westphalia even though that SWORD has been crumbling away, why are you keeping that region after victory? As a trophy to show off your victory or just so SWORD doesn't recover?

[Lord Dominator]

Well if I didnt recall, you have connections with the raiders Lady Dominator

Quite astute of you, though you look to have failed to make the leap that both nations are the same person.

[Northern Poland]

RECOGNISING Westphalia as a region of historical and cultural significance to many nations of the world,

CONCERNED by the forceful invasion and occupation of Westphalia by hostile forces,

OBSERVING that the invading forces are led by The Black Hawks, an organisation twice condemned by this Council through SC #52 and SC #217,

TAKING NOTICE that the occupation is supported by Lone Wolves United, yet another organisation condemned by this Council through SC #74,

WORRIED for the future of Westphalia given the record of destruction of the aforementioned organisations,

NOTING that the region of Westphalia did not pose a threat to the invading forces prior to this incursion,

GRAVELY CONCERNED that Border Control measures have already been put in place over Westphalia by the occupying forces,

APPALLED at the forced removal of the native nations from their home and at the forceful termination of all diplomatic relations,

HORRIFIED that no native nations remain in the occupied region,

ASSERTING its commitment to regional sovereignty,

the Security Council hereby

LIBERATES Westphalia

Given that the entire native population has been removed, this will be submitted soon.

This again? What resolution of the same thing is this, the 5th?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

So what i see is that The Black Hawks are trying to keep Westphalia even though that SWORD has been crumbling away, why are you keeping that region after victory? As a trophy to show off your victory or just so SWORD doesn't recover?

TBH handed the region off to Unknown, as linked in my prior post. While we'd rather prefer it not be lost by raiders, it's future is otherwise up to them, not us. We retain no physical power in the region, now executive control over operations there.

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I'm curious why, if mainstream defending really meant this one to pass and supported it, no "for" stomp attempt was made. Where are TSP, TRR, XKI? while even those three combined only about equal TNP alone, 2500 - 1000 off the bat is far better than 2500 - 0 off the bat in terms of the lemming vote.

[Lord Dominator]

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'Tis but the third, and the second was never submitted

[Joshuastania]

There should be ZERO tolerance for raiding and taking over regions by members of the WA. Joshuastania calls out those nations who are voting against "Liberate Westphalia" they should be ashamed of themselves and are bullies on the world stage!

Enough is enough, vote yes to liberate Westphalia. The nations/regions who perpetrated this blatant act of violating the sovereignty of Westphalia have been put on notice.......