[DEFEATED] Liberate Westphalia

[RiderSyl]

Why do we have a Security Council anyway?

For resolutions that have a point

[Almonaster Nuevo]

It might have had a point if the defenders hadn't decided to throw their toys out of the pram because they weren't consulted.

[Lenlyvit]

Half the time I have no clue what they are saying beyond page 3.

I agree with you for 100%


There is no serious discussion anymore.

I would like to read concrete solutions.
What else can the natives of Westphalia do?

OUTRAGEOUS!!!
They ejected and banned almost every native in Westphalia.

Why do we have a Security Council anyway?

At my last count there's still almost 70-80 native nations still in the region Wikiplay.

[Lord Dominator]

I agree with you for 100%


There is no serious discussion anymore.

I would like to read concrete solutions.
What else can the natives of Westphalia do?

OUTRAGEOUS!!!
They ejected and banned almost every native in Westphalia.

Why do we have a Security Council anyway?

At my last count there's still almost 70-80 native nations still in the region Wikiplay.

68 people not endorsing the delegate, though there a couple nations in there that aren't natives.

[The Atlae Isles]

What else can the natives of Westphalia do?

OUTRAGEOUS!!!
They ejected and banned almost every native in Westphalia.

Maybe if Westphalia had refounded we wouldn’t be in this situation.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

This is clearly someone's idea of a joke at Mike's expense. Nine years makes for a helluva slow burner. 'Environmental Rebels' pulled this maneuver when New Earth (Rolamec) was invading Land of the Liberals.

Try a few less years, because Westphalia has some deep debts that are still well overdue.

[Drop Your Pants]

This is clearly someone's idea of a joke at Mike's expense. Nine years makes for a helluva slow burner. 'Environmental Rebels' pulled this maneuver when New Earth (Rolamec) was invading Land of the Liberals.

Try a few less years, because Westphalia has some deep debts that are still well overdue.

How many years ago was that? I know R/D enjoys a good grudge but really?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Try a few less years, because Westphalia has some deep debts that are still well overdue.

How many years ago was that? I know R/D enjoys a good grudge but really?

About 6, and while you may operate differently, I don't let grudges expire. Especially not on forum destruction; especially not on anything that happened in the second half of 2011 as fuck that entire period of time especially. Westphalia was directly involved; they will never be safe, because I will not consider justice to be done until I'm personally the founder of the place.

[He Qixin 2]

They ejected and banned almost every native in Westphalia.

Why do we have a Security Council anyway?

1) That's why we have a liberation so that we can bring them back following the region's capture by invaders, but apparently, due to negative reasons, this proposal is largely unsupported.

2) See 1), and also to know those who have done good (and bad) deeds.

[Shaktirajya]

We, the People's Hindu Matriarchy of Shaktirajya, hereby vote AGAINST this resolution in tandem with Our regional delegate Davelands.

Vaktaha Samajavadinaha Matarajasya Shaktirajasya

[Drop Your Pants]

About 6, and while you may operate differently, I don't let grudges expire. Especially not on forum destruction; especially not on anything that happened in the second half of 2011 as fuck that entire period of time especially. Westphalia was directly involved; they will never be safe, because I will not consider justice to be done until I'm personally the founder of the place.

I think you need a break from NS, this is obviously becoming more than a text based game for you.

1) That's why we have a liberation so that we can bring them back following the region's capture by invaders, but apparently, due to negative reasons, this proposal is largely unsupported.

You appear to be a bit confused on what an SC liberation is. It only removes the password function from a region, not clear the ban list or instal the previous delegate.

[Unibot III]

How many years ago was that? I know R/D enjoys a good grudge but really?

About 6, and while you may operate differently, I don't let grudges expire. Especially not on forum destruction; especially not on anything that happened in the second half of 2011 as fuck that entire period of time especially. Westphalia was directly involved; they will never be safe, because I will not consider justice to be done until I'm personally the founder of the place.

Let it go, Klaus. Most of the people in Westphalia seem altogether completely clueless about Gameplay. You aren't getting any kind of vengeance from pissing on them.

We all have things we'd like to get revenge for, but we don't all get the opportunity to. Sometimes we just have to move on.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

"Let it go....We all have things we'd like to get revenge for, but we don't all get the opportunity to. Sometimes we just have to move on," says mister still-off-kilter-about-SC#15-from-2010-in-2018, to the dude actually quite visibly getting the opportunity for the revenge he’d long dreamt of wishingly.

[WikiPlay]

To be honest about regional forum destruction: almost all (maybe all ?!) the current natives of Westphalia where unaware of what happened in 2011, which is already 7 years ago
Are you such a sensitive person then I doubt that you do anything positive. We all make mistakes and learn from it, this hard way is the only way to learn what matters in life.

Hence, there was quite recently regional offsite forum destruction in Westphalia. Ask it to Christian Democrats to confirm this offsite-forum raid.
Nothing happened

With 13 very influential raiders in the region they are definitely able to kick almost all the remaining citizens out, meanwhile the other raider is able to lock down the region with one invisible password.

@Ridersyl: READ, there is already one in-depth discussion about this on page 3

Why is this SC resolution pointless?


Any feedback?

[The Noble Thatcherites]

@Ridersyl: READ, there is already one in-depth discussion about this on page 3

Why is this SC resolution pointless?

Maybe YOU should start reading. If you read the rules of the Security Council then you'd know that a SC resolution removes a password. Is there a password over Westphalia? No.

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[Drop Your Pants]

Maybe YOU should start reading. If you read the rules of the Security Council then you'd know that a SC resolution removes a password. Is there a password over Westphalia? No.
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It also removes the delegates ability to password. You nearly looked like you knew what you were talking about, keep it up

[The Noble Thatcherites]

Maybe YOU should start reading. If you read the rules of the Security Council then you'd know that a SC resolution removes a password. Is there a password over Westphalia? No.
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It also removes the delegates ability to password. You nearly looked like you knew what you were talking about, keep it up

That is true. However it isn't 100% evident that a password will end up being placed over Westphalia. It is likely, but not 100% evident. If they do, then proposing a liberation would gain much more traction then trying to preemtively liberate Westphalia.

Right now the proposal is pointless because it won't be gaining any traction. Proposing a liberation after the password has been set would give this proposal the traction it definitely needs to succeed.

[Fratt]

However it isn't 100% evident that a password will end up being placed over Westphalia. It is likely, but not 100% evident.

I'd say the intent to burn the region to the ground is clear. If that doesn't happen, it won't be because of lack of intent.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

About 6, and while you may operate differently, I don't let grudges expire. Especially not on forum destruction; especially not on anything that happened in the second half of 2011 as fuck that entire period of time especially. Westphalia was directly involved; they will never be safe, because I will not consider justice to be done until I'm personally the founder of the place.

Let it go, Klaus. Most of the people in Westphalia seem altogether completely clueless about Gameplay. You aren't getting any kind of vengeance from pissing on them.

We all have things we'd like to get revenge for, but we don't all get the opportunity to. Sometimes we just have to move on.

No, you can go pound sand. In fact, even if it was Kshrlmnt or Savaer asking, I'd tell them to pound sand, never mind you. After The Commonwealth (the first region I was part of) collapsed because of repeated total deletions of the forum and promises of many more to come if it didn't disband, I made my entire NS career about trying to end this crap. I made many enemies back then, some of whom still despise me today, because of a total zero tolerance approach, but at least there were other people who actually shared my views. I helped regions I liked, and regions I hated, and chased out people I hated and people I liked. I even helped Rolamec and Westphalia once, after New Earth was destroyed. I'm glad I was eventually reasonably successful at dealing with anyone who was truly dangerous, because if I went back to that kind of active daily work again today, I'd be treated like Nephmir and laughed out of the room. Gameplay is a ridiculous mess of hypocrites, drooling morons who think that "COPS" is some kind of holy rosary they can kiss to make their problems evaporate into mist, and people who just flat out don't give a damn.

The truth is that COPS has been dead and cold since 2012 (and arguably long before that), and the only justice any person or region can achieve for this kind of thing is the justice they can get themselves, with their own influence and power, and if you don't have any, you don't get it. Guess what, buddy boy; Westphalia was a willing part of the propaganda machine that tried to recapture New Earth and protect Rolamec, and Rolamec is only 3 months cold. For the first time in living memory, I might (TBH plans permitting) be about to get some justice for something personal. It's a raid, and there's all the complications that can surround a raid, but I'll judge the result according to the things that matter to me, and not what matters to the hypocrites and morons and people who don't care.

No matter the result of this raid, I have a new policy from now on- if someone that isn't an in context ally comes to me and asks for me to even lift a finger on offsite property destruction, even just to drop a banhammer, they're going to have to prove to me that they care objectively about the issue, and not just about their own problem. To do that, they'll have to help me solve one of mine, and because I'm a deeply distrustful person, I'll want my problem solved first, no matter how long it takes or how long ago it was. If Westphalia is saved, and any region involved in that (even to vote in favour of a liberation that passes) comes to ask, I'm going to tell them that they already had the chance to do the right thing. If I can't get justice, then I'll at least get fairness, and this feels quite fair to me.

[RiderSyl]

No matter the result of this raid, I have a new policy from now on- if someone that isn't an in context ally comes to me and asks for me to even lift a finger on offsite property destruction, even just to drop a banhammer, they're going to have to prove to me that they care objectively about the issue, and not just about their own problem. To do that, they'll have to help me solve one of mine, and because I'm a deeply distrustful person, I'll want my problem solved first, no matter how long it takes or how long ago it was.

Okay then, Avakael. Here's hoping you are never in a position where someone needs you to deal with offsite property destruction, so that you cannot manipulate the situation to your own benefit.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

No matter the result of this raid, I have a new policy from now on- if someone that isn't an in context ally comes to me and asks for me to even lift a finger on offsite property destruction, even just to drop a banhammer, they're going to have to prove to me that they care objectively about the issue, and not just about their own problem. To do that, they'll have to help me solve one of mine, and because I'm a deeply distrustful person, I'll want my problem solved first, no matter how long it takes or how long ago it was.

Okay then, Avakael. Here's hoping you are never in a position where someone needs you to deal with offsite property destruction, so that you cannot manipulate the situation to your own benefit.

Oh no- how dare that bastard Avakael manipulate the issue by ensuring that justice happens for two acts of offsite property destruction instead of just one, in order to cut through the partisan politics of NationStates! What a worthless arrogant scumbag! He must have absolutely no experience or credibility in the topic whatsoever! Can you imagine if there was benefit to ensuring there was something that more resembled universal justice on forum destruction? Preposterous! Make him Persona Non Grata again, that'll show him.

[Radicaster]

"I know this is the first time I'm swearing in public but: Fuck Westphalia. They violated our region's recruitment policy in the past by targeting the North Pacific for recruitment. Furthermore, it would take a while for a password to be set up, and it appears to be unlikely in the near future given the considerable influence of the natives. We are AGAINST."

[The Atlae Isles]

281 days ago: Embassy opened with The Iron Order.

I don't think this helps the chances of it getting liberated at all.

[Banyuwangi]

"I know this is the first time I'm swearing in public but: Fuck Westphalia. They violated our region's recruitment policy in the past by targeting the North Pacific for recruitment. Furthermore, it would take a while for a password to be set up, and it appears to be unlikely in the near future given the considerable influence of the natives. We are AGAINST."

Maybe they violated your own regional rules. You violated the Terms of Service of Nationstates.
btw: how can a region survive without any recruitment telegrams ???

[Reploid Productions]

"I know this is the first time I'm swearing in public but: Fuck Westphalia. They violated our region's recruitment policy in the past by targeting the North Pacific for recruitment. Furthermore, it would take a while for a password to be set up, and it appears to be unlikely in the near future given the considerable influence of the natives. We are AGAINST."

Maybe they violated your own regional rules. You violated the Terms of Service of Nationstates.
btw: how can a region survive without any recruitment telegrams ???

Uh... no they didn't? The whole "Fuck Westphalia" bit is certainly crass, but in the overall context it's not actionable.