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Auralia
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Postby Auralia » Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:57 am

For reference, here's the telegram I sent out:

Dear %NATION%,

The purpose of this telegram is to respectfully request that you vote FOR the current General Assembly resolution at vote, Repeal "Protection of Biomedical Research".

(If you've already voted in favour, sorry for bothering you! Unfortunately I don't have the ability to filter you out when sending telegrams to World Assembly members.)

The resolution being repealed was rushed to vote after only about a day or two of drafting; as a result, it is poorly written and contains critical errors. The key problem with the resolution is that it prohibits World Assembly member states from engaging in any regulation of biomedical ethics except where such regulation "serve[s] specifically to minimize or eliminate harm to life provably sentient or sapient at the time of research".

This is an absurdly broad restriction that bars numerous kinds of important regulation simply because they cannot be established as preventing direct harm to particular sapient or sentient life. Examples include:

securing legal protection from harmful medical experimentation to the historically vulnerable class of persons who, while not "provably sentient or sapient at the time of research" may indeed regain such capacity, such as individuals in comas or persistent vegetative states,

granting precautionary legal protection from potentially harmful medical experimentation to potentially sentient or sapient life that has not yet been definitively "proven" to be such, perhaps due to difficulties in communication,

requiring appropriate reverence for the remains of deceased sapient life in the course of biomedical research,

mandating that biomedical researchers abide by reasonable financial disclosure and conflict of interest rules, and

providing adequate legal protection for the environment, at least with respect to non-sapient plant, bacterial, and fungal life such as coral reefs and old-growth forests, in the context of biomedical research.

Moreover, the remaining provisions of the resolution are largely redundant in light of GAR #111, "Medical Research Ethics Act" and GAR #219, "Biomedical Innovation Org".

As such, it is fair to say that the substantive effect of this resolution is merely to frustrate the responsible regulation of biomedical research by member states. It should not be permitted to remain World Assembly law.

Thank you for considering this request. You can vote for the resolution here and view the forum thread here.

Best regards,

Martin Russell
Chief Ambassador, Auralian Mission to the World Assembly
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And here's the telegram Tinfect sent out (which I got from Yuno):

Hello, you may be aware of the repeal of Protection of Biomedical Research that is currently at vote. I am sending this to you because the repeal consists, in its entirety, of outright lies and utterly frivolous claims that are themselves unsupported by the Target Resolution or other, referenced Legislation. For example, the repeal claims that the Resolution prevents Member-States from prohibiting Enviromental Damage in Biomedical Research; of course this is absurd, as Environmental Damage poses a substantial risk to Sapient Life, and as such, prevention of Environmental Damage is protected by the Resolution. And, of course, its claims that sections of the Resolution are 'redundant', is not only an outright lie, but rests upon absurd and damaging interpretations of Standing Legislation.
The Author of the Repeal proposes it for the sole purpose of pursuing a separate and incredibly damaging agenda, in this case, intending to pave the way for legislation allowing Member-States to prohibit life-saving Biomedical Research.
Knowing this, I urge you to vote against this incredibly dangerous repeal.
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Postby Stoskavanya » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:01 am

Auralia wrote:And here's the telegram Tinfect sent out (which I got from Yuno):

I never knew you could fit 'absurd' 'damaging' 'outright lie' that many times in one paragraph.

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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:37 am

Stoskavanya wrote:
Auralia wrote:And here's the telegram Tinfect sent out (which I got from Yuno):

I never knew you could fit 'absurd' 'damaging' 'outright lie' that many times in one paragraph.


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IC: We deplore the absurd, damaging and outright lie of the Ambassador of Tinfect. Continuing to state the same falsehoods that have been repeatedly laid bare is neither original, constructive, nor helpful. Perhaps the Ambassador should have engaged in the drafting process over several months, as is regularly recommended to others who attempt to rush proposals through without due consideration.
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Postby Kailous » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:09 am

The ambassador from the Dominion of Kailous rises, glancing over the assembled representatives before speaking.

"Our nation is against this repeal proposal. We have long been against such proposals begun before the legislation they attempt to repeal is even put to a vote, and we do not agree with the interpretations that the nation of Auralia applies to GAR #420, finding them excessively negative."

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:15 pm

He Qixin wrote:Meanwhile, please vote "against" this resolution, everyone. I want to protect my biomedical research.

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly: I've heard of international federalism before, but this is just getting silly. The World Assembly, despite what some people think, does not and will never have complete control over every single aspect of your nation's operation. If you want to protect your biomedical research after this one gets repealed, then keep your existing laws until new regulations are passed and the gnomes transcribe those into your nation's legal codex.
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Postby Novo Razcon » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Look at the vote. Oh, my goodness.

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Postby Weed » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:26 pm

The real affront was that resolution #420 was about something as boring as Health policy in the first place.

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Postby Insularun » Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:40 pm

We thrive on biomedical research.

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Postby He Qixin » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:32 am

The gap between the "For" and "Against" votes has increased significantly. I can guarantee now that this resolution will not pass.
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:38 am

He Qixin wrote:The gap between the "For" and "Against" votes has increased significantly. I can guarantee now that this resolution will not pass.


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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:17 am

He Qixin wrote:The gap between the "For" and "Against" votes has increased significantly. I can guarantee now that this resolution will not pass.

Uh huh.

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Postby He Qixin 2 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:23 am

Oh, no! Guys I don't want this to pass! Please vote "against"! I know most of you treasure your biomedical research too!
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Postby Socialist Communist States » Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:41 am

Tbh, whatever the result is. I want this to be the most narrowest and closest thing to be voted on(like 2 digits too close). Or even a win/lose by 1 vote would make my day.

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Postby He Qixin » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:14 am

Socialist Communist States wrote:Tbh, whatever the result is. I want this to be the most narrowest and closest thing to be voted on(like 2 digits too close). Or even a win/lose by 1 vote would make my day.

I agree; the votes gotta be historically close, where this resolution passes or not. :p
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Postby Kenmoria » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:37 am

Socialist Communist States wrote:Tbh, whatever the result is. I want this to be the most narrowest and closest thing to be voted on(like 2 digits too close). Or even a win/lose by 1 vote would make my day.

This resolution has to be the closest I've ever seen, it would be amazing if the vote did turn out to be a double or even single digit one. On a similar idea, what would happen if the vote ended up being tied?
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Postby Edreland » Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:26 pm

Kenmoria wrote:
Socialist Communist States wrote:Tbh, whatever the result is. I want this to be the most narrowest and closest thing to be voted on(like 2 digits too close). Or even a win/lose by 1 vote would make my day.

This resolution has to be the closest I've ever seen, it would be amazing if the vote did turn out to be a double or even single digit one. On a similar idea, what would happen if the vote ended up being tied?

Perhaps it counts as a defeat?
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Postby He Qixin 2 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm

Edreland wrote:Perhaps it counts as a defeat?


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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:39 pm

Greetings Delegate %NATION%,

We noticed that you have voted for the repeal of Protecting Biomedical Research,

The proposal makes various claims about the target resolution, and we believe that the author has misrepresented what the proposal actually does. Specifically, it does not require that ethical requirements prevent "direct harm to particular sapient or sentient life". Indirect harm to sapient or sentient life, such as environmental impact, can be regulated under this resolution. Furthermore, as individuals in comas or persistent vegetative states are sapient (though not sentient), harm to them would be preventable under the terms of the target resolution. Continuing, the repeal of this resolution would open a path for future legislation to block biomedical research in the name of religious and moral objections.

Additionally, the proposal claims that the target resolution has redundancies, which is false. The proposal only exists to support a community with a damaging agenda. This agenda involves passing legislation allowing member-states to prohibit life-saving biomedical research.

For these reasons, we urge you to vote against the proposal.

Sincerely,

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Postby Stoskavanya » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:23 pm

The proposal only exists to support a community with a damaging agenda. This agenda involves passing legislation allowing member-states to prohibit life-saving biomedical research.

Apparently wanting to repeal and replace this for a more unambiguous and comprehensive piece of legislation makes you part of a community with a 'damaging agenda.'

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Postby Tinfect » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:24 pm

Stoskavanya wrote:Apparently wanting to repeal and replace this for a more unambiguous and comprehensive piece of legislation makes you part of a community with a 'damaging agenda.'


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Do you seriously believe that is the actual impetus for the repeal?
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Postby Auralia » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:51 pm

Could somebody please explain to me why WALL is so concerned about the potential passage of this repeal?

Let me be clear -- yes, I think individual member states should be free to prohibit certain kinds of controversial biomedical research, including embryonic stem cell research, on ethical grounds. (The horror, the horror!) This is not exactly a secret. Yes, the original resolution doesn't permit member states to make this call. Yes, I think this is sufficient cause for repeal, though of course there are other, arguably more important reasons given how badly the original resolution is written.

With that said:

a) Even if you support forcing member states to permit embryonic stem cell research, the original resolution goes a lot further than that and prohibits member states from engaging in a whole host of common sense regulation, which the repeal describes in depth. GenSec has confirmed that this is a legitimate reading of the resolution's mandate. This includes something as uncontroversial as respecting the remains of deceased sapient life in the course of biomedical research, and it's noticeable that nobody -- not Tinfect, not WALL -- has actually claimed otherwise with respect to that particular example.

b) Actually, why, exactly, would anyone think it's appropriate for the World Assembly to force member states to permit embryonic stem cell research? Again, we're not talking about the World Assembly banning it, we're talking about letting individual member states decide the issue for themselves. The World Assembly's universal legalization of abortion is at least justified as protecting the individual right to bodily sovereignty, which is a fundamental right. That's not the case here -- engaging in embryonic stem cell research is obviously not a fundamental right. Doesn't the member state's interest in trying to protect life at its earliest stages of development count for anything?
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Postby Atrenar » Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:12 pm

Auralia wrote:Could somebody please explain to me why WALL is so concerned about the potential passage of this repeal?

Let me be clear -- yes, I think individual member states should be free to prohibit certain kinds of controversial biomedical research, including embryonic stem cell research, on ethical grounds.


If something is in line to benefit the well-being of the individuals of any nation, it shouldn't have a roadblock from a governing power.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:41 pm

I suspect that many of them adhere to the false axiom that physicians and scientists can do no wrong.
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Postby Tinfect » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:52 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I suspect that many of them adhere to the false axiom that physicians and scientists can do no wrong.


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I suspect that your implication that the opposition to this repeal would support the likes of Josef Mengele is yet another absurd attempt at character assassination.
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Postby Universal State Formula » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:18 am

Auralia wrote:Actually, why, exactly, would anyone think it's appropriate for the World Assembly to force member states to permit embryonic stem cell research?


This, to put it simply, is not quite true.

No part of the aforementioned resolution requires, mandates or even compels member states to organise or dedicate funds towards biomedical reasearch programs in any particular form, or indeed, at all.
Should you find embryonic stem research wanting ,as far as its ethical aspect is concerned, you may simply elect not to include it in your budgetary plans.

That only leaves the question of privately funded research projects - yet the resolution at discussion might be possibly circumvented by implementation of business specific regulation of private entities' mode of engagement in said research, as its text clearly refers to:

[B]iomedical research ethics standards and regulations that do not serve specifically to minimize or eliminate harm to life provably sentient or sapient at the time of research


Because such a legislation would not, prima facie, violate any of the above, as any of its clauses would not apply to the 'biomedical research' in general or particular, it remains a viable option for those wishing to limit some aspects of such endeavours.

What remains, however, is the resolution's original goal of prevention of passage of WA general legislation seeking to restrict the scope of biomedical research beyond elimination of harm to sentient or sapient life.



Auralia wrote:The World Assembly's universal legalization of abortion is at least justified as protecting the individual right to bodily sovereignty, which is a fundamental right.


I find this sentiment entirely puzzling. Biomedical research potentially saves innumerably more lives than abortions ever could.
Because concern for individuals' lives should come before any other rights, fundamental or not, the above passage seems distinctively irrational.

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