[PASSED] Commend The MT Army

[Tudorlandia]

Frankly, I'm not too sure why we're all freaking out about a region that fights against Nazis. Last I checked, isn't that a good thing?

The issue with this resolution is not the target; it's the fact that the entire resolution is basically written as an advertisement for the Fleet.

Bro you are a disgrace to the right. You realize many fascists were ultracatholics. "Social democratic" yet President of the largest international conservative organization on NS. Now here you come arguing against fascism. "Last you checked it was a good thing". That's literally speaking for the entire resolution. You are ignoring perspective. Maybe that's why you and you're gangs politics make no sense.

[Germandictatorcountry]

Don't even dare to think that I will support this piece of bullshit. I'd rather ban him and all the the other Antifa terrorists trying to destroy the world

[Fauxia]

Frankly, I'm not too sure why we're all freaking out about a region that fights against Nazis. Last I checked, isn't that a good thing?

The issue with this resolution is not the target; it's the fact that the entire resolution is basically written as an advertisement for the Fleet.

Bro you are a disgrace to the right. You realize many fascists were ultracatholics. "Social democratic" yet President of the largest international conservative organization on NS. Now here you come arguing against fascism. "Last you checked it was a good thing". That's literally speaking for the entire resolution. You are ignoring perspective. Maybe that's why you and you're gangs politics make no sense.

A few things.

1. UM is about as left as it gets while right of socialism
2. Catholics can be misguided too, and they aren’t necessarily right-wing (the Pope)
3. Right to Life, while it supports a traditional conservative value, is not right-wing. There are socialists and atheists in it. They are full members.
4. Fascism is not right-wing at all
5. There are reasons to be against even if you don’t like fascism.

[Wrapper]

Folks, we're crossing the line into NSG territory. Take it to General or to TGs.

[United Massachusetts]

Frankly, I'm not too sure why we're all freaking out about a region that fights against Nazis. Last I checked, isn't that a good thing?

The issue with this resolution is not the target; it's the fact that the entire resolution is basically written as an advertisement for the Fleet.

Bro you are a disgrace to the right. You realize many fascists were ultracatholics. "Social democratic" yet President of the largest international conservative organization on NS. Now here you come arguing against fascism. "Last you checked it was a good thing". That's literally speaking for the entire resolution. You are ignoring perspective. Maybe that's why you and you're gangs politics make no sense.

Well, good sir, I must say: if I am the leader of the right-wing on NationStates, there is no right-wing thereon. I lean left. But I do not support stooping down and praying to Antifa, nor do I support their reckless campaign of assault against moderate regions.

[Tudorlandia]

Bro you are a disgrace to the right. You realize many fascists were ultracatholics. "Social democratic" yet President of the largest international conservative organization on NS. Now here you come arguing against fascism. "Last you checked it was a good thing". That's literally speaking for the entire resolution. You are ignoring perspective. Maybe that's why you and you're gangs politics make no sense.

A few things.

1. UM is about as left as it gets while right of socialism
2. Catholics can be misguided too, and they aren’t necessarily right-wing (the Pope)
3. Right to Life, while it supports a traditional conservative value, is not right-wing. There are socialists and atheists in it. They are full members.
4. Fascism is not right-wing at all
5. There are reasons to be against even if you don’t like fascism.

Fascism is literally the most right wing ideology there is. And I;m against it because it is commies.

[Nova Blarazia]

This resolution is total bullshit. I advise every nation to vote against it. And don't think I'm biased because I run TIO: I know. Antifa and the MT Army are all violent communists. Hating fascists for their hateful ways, violently killing them for their violent ideology, and killing all fascists because of their mass killings. Ironic, anyone?

[Fauxia]

A few things.

1. UM is about as left as it gets while right of socialism
2. Catholics can be misguided too, and they aren’t necessarily right-wing (the Pope)
3. Right to Life, while it supports a traditional conservative value, is not right-wing. There are socialists and atheists in it. They are full members.
4. Fascism is not right-wing at all
5. There are reasons to be against even if you don’t like fascism.

Fascism is literally the most right wing ideology there is. And I;m against it because it is commies.

Please view Wrapper’s comment:

Folks, we're crossing the line into NSG territory. Take it to General or to TGs.

I sent you a tg. Let’s keep it there

[Lolz and Civfive]

Even though “antifa” calls themselves anti fascist, they are some of the most fascist people out there.
1. Violence to get their point across- check
2. Trying to silence anyone who disagrees with them- check
3. Using “political correctness” to take over- check

Why would anyone want to commend terrorists?

[Captain Woodhouse]

Sure, you have places like Communist Party USA, a former Nazi Europa protectorate which was MT'd earlier this week (and for a very good reason, I presume), but then you have your hulking Union of Fascist Nations, your Axis Nations Alliances, and your URAPs - all of these raided by MT, leading to countless political refugees

.

You're misinformed. Vip refounded Communist Party USA about this time a year ago, not earlier this week. I was the region's original and only founder. I'd neglected to log in to the founder account and it CTEd. No political refugees.

There's a screenshot of CPUSA's former WFE in its current one. I'd left NE two months prior, removed the fascist tag and any reference to NE in the WFE. Vip made it appear it was a Nazi holding when he acquired it. That's just the way he rolls.

Union of Fascist Nations: Founderless two-nation dead region when Vip 'invaded' it. The two nations undoubtedly belonged to Vip and an MT buddy. No political refugees.

URAP: long dead Nazi region whose founder had passed in the real world. No political refugees.

Axis Nations Alliance: Minuscule founderless fascist-tagged puppet dump that MT tried and failed to raid all by their lonesome. The Left moved in after RWU moved out and squatted in the region for almost two months, accomplishing nothing. The region was ultimately refounded by me. No political refugees.

You always did like to hide behind half truths Woodhouse lol.

I don't hide behind half-truths or anything else. I posted what I believed was relevant. I'm not about to post a 5K word threadjack, which is what you seem to want me to do here.

The only thing you've made clear is that you process truth in an odd way. You post a link to 6-year-old irrelevant Hell silliness: a highly affected and staged conflict, with two of your puppets at center stage. You didn't stop me from becoming WAD as you said. I was WAD. I had taken the seat and abandoned it in short order as planned. Fred and D3—two former Hell WADs—offered to help me retain the seat. I didn't want it any longer than I held it.

The only residual negative feelings I had resulted from you TGing Hell WA, saying I'd cheated my way into the seat. That was a lie. We kissed and made up. Had I held a grudge, I wouldn't have put you in the high chair to administer Hell months later—with gusto, no less. I observed no evidence of you harboring genuine negativity toward me.

Not exactly true either, the majority of the Elders stayed out of it, you just kept raising a stink about me bringing in so many new people.

Are you aware that your link reveals you dismissing Hell vocal majority in the flag decision?

There was no silent majority among the seven recognized elders in the matter of your continued delegacy. Four elders made it clear they wanted you gone. When I backed off some, Fred TGd me about getting the ball rolling again.

Had there actually been a silent majority, though, you're saying a silent majority is valid and translates as support/approval, when you'd previously insisted a vocal majority was bullshit.

I disagree with all your other funny truths. Hell's conflicts were largely contrived in an effort to keep the region somewhat true to its name. I was on you more about your defender ties than anything else. You're telling me you faked being friendly? Yeah, I think you should reconsider trying to sell truth anywhere in the game.

Refounding regions and slapping fascist tags on them =/= region destruction in the name of Nazism. As much as I'd love to take credit for destroying 'tons of innocent regions', the bulk of my holdings are refounds. I revised tags and WFEs long ago. Quite a few of my holdings and BLITZKRIEG itself have been tagged anti-fascist.

I know you want to keep pillorying me for the past, but I really wish we could bury the hatchet and move on.

[Tim-Opolis]

My favorite part of the Security Council is individual nations thinking they can affect the outcome of the resolution with their sensationalized, half-coherent outrage of one post and then forgetting about the thread.

[The Stalker]

You always did like to hide behind half truths Woodhouse lol.

I don't hide behind half-truths or anything else. I posted what I believed was relevant. I'm not about to post a 5K word threadjack, which is what you seem to want me to do here.

The only thing you've made clear is that you process truth in an odd way. You post a link to 6-year-old irrelevant Hell silliness: a highly affected and staged conflict, with two of your puppets at center stage. You didn't stop me from becoming WAD as you said. I was WAD. I had taken the seat and abandoned it in short order as planned. Fred and D3—two former Hell WADs—offered to help me retain the seat. I didn't want it any longer than I held it.

The only residual negative feelings I had resulted from you TGing Hell WA, saying I'd cheated my way into the seat. That was a lie. We kissed and made up. Had I held a grudge, I wouldn't have put you in the high chair to administer Hell months later—with gusto, no less. I observed no evidence of you harboring genuine negativity toward me.

Not exactly true either, the majority of the Elders stayed out of it, you just kept raising a stink about me bringing in so many new people.

Are you aware that your link reveals you dismissing Hell vocal majority in the flag decision?

There was no silent majority among the seven recognized elders in the matter of your continued delegacy. Four elders made it clear they wanted you gone. When I backed off some, Fred TGd me about getting the ball rolling again.

Had there actually been a silent majority, though, you're saying a silent majority is valid and translates as support/approval, when you'd previously insisted a vocal majority was bullshit.

I disagree with all your other funny truths. Hell's conflicts were largely contrived in an effort to keep the region somewhat true to its name. I was on you more about your defender ties than anything else. You're telling me you faked being friendly? Yeah, I think you should reconsider trying to sell truth anywhere in the game.

Refounding regions and slapping fascist tags on them =/= region destruction in the name of Nazism. As much as I'd love to take credit for destroying 'tons of innocent regions', the bulk of my holdings are refounds. I revised tags and WFEs long ago. Quite a few of my holdings and BLITZKRIEG itself have been tagged anti-fascist.

I know you want to keep pillorying me for the past, but I really wish we could bury the hatchet and move on.

My original point was I don't see how you can possibly be considered antifa considering you lead NE and were Nazi military's gameplay's top guy for years.

First You did cheat your way to the delegate seat by bringing in guys, I rallied Hell to oppose you and that's why you didn't keep the seat. Second only Elders were you and Fredd, I don't count Beeker as an Elder, and SS wasn't really vocal till revealing at the end, plus I had elders on my side too. You manipulated them into couping me mostly because I was building the region. All of which hardly matters since I stepped down anyway, you got what you wanted, and what did you do? Stabbed Fredd in the back, took over Hell from Fredd with a Nazi army, ejecting 40 something nations from a region you called home, including three or more Elders. Cold Blooded. I pity anyone foolish enough to trust you or work with you.

[Fauxia]

My favorite part of the Security Council is individual nations thinking they can affect the outcome of the resolution with their sensationalized, half-coherent outrage of one post and then forgetting about the thread.

Too true.

Stalker, Woodhouse, I think I get it now that y’all don’t like each other. Could we get back on topic, I don’t care anymore, if I do, I will tg.

/not a mod

[The Home of Hope]

Take this as a plea from me to everyone who voted for the commendation to change your vote to against it. Every nation and region needs to have their own rights to be a right-winger or a left-winger depending on their personal beliefs. A vote to commend this region is a support against the freedom of practicing what you believe is right.

[Dominionation]

Or if you're opposed to their rendering assistance to militant communists.

Oh right yeah, also if you don't like them helping militant communist / leftist from fighting Nazis and fascists.

But you aren't fighting fascists. You're ruining roleplay for someone else in a virtual country videogame.

Stop taking yourself so serious.

[New Villin]

Oh right yeah, also if you don't like them helping militant communist / leftist from fighting Nazis and fascists.

But you aren't fighting fascists. You're ruining roleplay for someone else in a virtual country videogame.

Stop taking yourself so serious.

Yes, this is the absolute crux of the argument. A few posts back I pointed this out, pointed out that NS does not have an antifascist policy and it seems no one attempted to refute me. Probably because they are unable.

Since then we've had several comments that offer emotion and false dichotomy, but no rational reason to support the proposal. This is merely an act of vanity for AF supporters, outside of which no one cares for their non-cause. Nor should they.

Those conflating their actions within a game with actual real-life political activism are in need of a dose of reality. They are bullying game players and destroying RP to serve their own self righteous egos and indulge their complacent OOC activist fantasies. It's a pathetic, shameful and embarrassing display.

[Milwalkiee]

After more research, we still stand in opposition. Due to The MT Army's involvement in the destruction of Nazi Europe, Nazi Europe's condemnation was repealed here. This then gives no model for nations to assure they do not become. Also, the main points of this proposal are The MT Army's antifacist and anti-Nazi views, as well as their destruction of many regions. On the beautifully written On Condemnations and Commendations forum thread and dispatch, the destruction of regions is condemnation worthy, not commendation worthy.
As a result of these, we just cannot support the resolution.

[Kurnugia]

After more research, we still stand in opposition. Due to The MT Army's involvement in the destruction of Nazi Europe, Nazi Europe's condemnation was repealed here. This then gives no model for nations to assure they do not become. Also, the main points of this proposal are The MT Army's antifacist and anti-Nazi views, as well as their destruction of many regions. On the beautifully written On Condemnations and Commendations forum thread and dispatch, the destruction of regions is condemnation worthy, not commendation worthy.
As a result of these, we just cannot support the resolution.

Did you even read the dispatch? I don't think so...

[The Stalker]

Oh right yeah, also if you don't like them helping militant communist / leftist from fighting Nazis and fascists.

But you aren't fighting fascists. You're ruining roleplay for someone else in a virtual country videogame.

Stop taking yourself so serious.

Lol most far right regions are fill with with far right people, fascists and Nazis are on this game.

If you wanna role play, you can join a role playing region.

As far as Nazi Europe goes, everyone was involved in their destruction. They are a Nazi raider region filled with actual racist.

[New Villin]

But you aren't fighting fascists. You're ruining roleplay for someone else in a virtual country videogame.

Stop taking yourself so serious.

Lol most far right regions are fill with with far right people, fascists and Nazis are on this game.

If you wanna role play, you can join a role playing region.

As far as Nazi Europe goes, everyone was involved in their destruction. They are a Nazi raider region filled with actual racist.

Your sweeping generalisations are adding nothing to the argument. Please restrain yourself.

NS policy on racism is clear, and is adequately policed by our attentive and selfless moderators. NS has no policy against RP fascism, but does police the use of certain terms and symbols. I am sorry that this causes such grievous injury to your ideological sensibilities, but not everyone shares your sense of self-righteous.

These players that you so readily denigrate are playing by the rules. You, however, are supporting a movement that denies service to these players, which in turn stands to threaten the longevity of the game itself.

If the players you dislike so very much are playing by the rules, why do they deserve to be bullied?

Why, in turn, do the bullies deserve game wide recognition for their self-justified bullying?

[Masurbia]

No hate here, but what's the point of commending a nation?

[New Villin]

No hate here, but what's the point of commending a nation?

Recognition, where it is justified. Vanity, where it is not.

[The Stalker]

snip

You clearly don't know your NS history. NE is one of the biggest villains in the game and was taken down by a huge collaboration of militaries.

Just because something is legal in the game doesn't make it right.

Also considering this is passing seems most agree.

[New Villin]

snip

You clearly don't know your NS history. NE is one of the biggest villains in the game and was taken down by a huge collaboration of militaries.

Just because something is legal in the game doesn't make it right.

Also considering this is passing seems most agree.

Appeals to authority are not a valid argument, nor is your last statement, which is an appeal to abundance. Both common logical errors.

Thank you for agreeing with me that RP fascism is legal and within the rules, and also that this is just a game. These are the only definite truths to be found in your poorly executed attempt at rebuttal, but are the central point of the argument.

[The Stalker]

No need to be rude now. You are just mistakenly assuming they are RP fascists, and don't know the history of the region your defending.