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[DEFEATED] Repeal "Restrictions on Hydraulic Fracturing"

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Postby FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Sat Dec 02, 2017 6:44 pm

Though the proposal is founded on horrible premises and written by IA who is a sworn enemy of FARW, we begrudgingly vote for the proposal in order to defend liberty.
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Postby Lizz Synna » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:33 pm

Reggina wrote:Why are we trying to control how nations run their energy?


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We are trying to control how they run their energy because what they do effects international water-supplies and not only damages their citizens but our citizens and our country as well. A poisoned atomosphere is a poisoned atmosphere for everyone, a poisoned water supply is a poisoned water supply for everyone. We are trying to control their damage to neighboring countries.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:16 pm

Reggina wrote:Why are we trying to control how nations run their energy?


Like the above Individual has stated, mainly for international means. However, at the same time; There is no reason to repeal it, based on either repeal proposal. While we agree with the author, his concern is covered and considered within the restriction. It is due to this fact, he decided to use the Jobs as a issue based on the proposal. However, he fails to state how many jobs will open up for clean energy alternatives. At the same time, how there is not much of a transition. Seeing as, most and I am not saying All. But Most, alternative means of energy increases air quality, lessens tremor activity, ensures the safety of peoples property and etc.

While his repeals are seen as something out of concern, he does not realize the issue is not safety, distance or etc. The Gar #417 is a restriction that forces a Nation to use the most expensive means that it has, while staying within it's own borders and away from it's population to Frack.
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Postby St Mary s Island » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:35 am

Hypothetically, if there was a safe way to frack, the underlying blanket proposal would outlaw that safe method as written. However, I understand the difficulty involves in getting a resolution like this to pass. I also understand, however, that when a nation has to choose between its survival and flauting the WA, the WA's power and respectability is diminished. Then again, we are an anti authoritarian nation who would love to see the WA taken down a peg or two, and are surrounded by people who would like to see us support ending fracking, so voting against this repeal is mostly win-win aside from disincentivizing scientific advancement. I heartily encourage every industry to use a medium such as molten salt, which is far worse for the environment, to get completely around these ill thought out and poorly written restrictions with loose definitions so that they may effectively frack without any restrictions imposed upon them by our joke of an organization.
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Postby Ziotah and Riverside » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:48 pm

Ziotah and Riverside firmly stands against the practice of Hydraulic Fracturing. We urge other members of the General Assembly to vote against this repeal.

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Postby Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:48 pm

St Mary s Island wrote: "ill thought out and poorly written restrictions with loose definitions so that they may effectively frack without any restrictions imposed upon them by our joke of an organization."


Thing is, the links I have given previously in both repeals, indicate safe ways one can frack. Even though, they are expensive. In this, the proposal was not poorly written; The Repeal of restrictions on Fracking, however both have been very targeting attempting to disprove something a part of the Restriction or agreeing with the Restriction as based on the creator of RoHF and even he explained that to everyone. Explaining the biggest concern is the disposal of water, however the disposal of water is exactly; Why the restriction was put in place, to force people to use the most expensive means to frack with safety in mind. At the same time, this does not stop scientific advancement that in itself is a misrepresentation of what would occur. Being that most small nations who can not afford to frack would be dependent on relying on trade with those who can safely or those outside the W.A. At the same time, this forces small Nations to modernize their energy source as stated before and if you looked back; You'd see that. The worse the RoHF does, is take away a few jobs to give more jobs through alternative energy sources like for example Nuclear. While the RoHF is entirely environmental and safety, never was about the Industry as it states cutting down on it. However, this does not screw the pooch as people say. But repealing it, would not prove beneficial either.
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Postby Nullite » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:03 am

Why shouldn't we leave the ways nations get their energy up to the nations themselves? If they mess up, they'll try to fix it themselves. Can't you trust a nation to do what they want energy-wise?

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:00 am

Nullite wrote:Why shouldn't we leave the ways nations get their energy up to the nations themselves? If they mess up, they'll try to fix it themselves. Can't you trust a nation to do what they want energy-wise?


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Postby New South Ulster » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:35 pm

The Commonwealth of New South Ulster realizes the possible danger Hydraulic Fracturing posses but also acknowledges the importance of the oil and natural gas industry to many countries including my own. Having personally grew up around and currently working in the oil and gas industry, I personally and the people of New South Ulster know the dangers that come with hydraulic fracturing but these dangers and potential disasters can be prevented with a reasonable level of precaution. Without hydraulic fracturing, the process of natural gas extraction is much more costly and time consuming, forcing gas extraction companies out of countries within the WA that will have to abide by this over reaching legislation. Harming fledgling countries and territories within the WA with great potential for economic expansion because of the oil and gas industry. That being said, The Commonwealth of New South Ulster stands firmly for the Repeal of "Restrictions on Hydraulic Fracturing"

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New South Ulster wrote:The Commonwealth of New South Ulster realizes the possible danger Hydraulic Fracturing posses but also acknowledges the importance of the oil and natural gas industry to many countries including my own. Having personally grew up around and currently working in the oil and gas industry, I personally and the people of New South Ulster know the dangers that come with hydraulic fracturing but these dangers and potential disasters can be prevented with a reasonable level of precaution. Without hydraulic fracturing, the process of natural gas extraction is much more costly and time consuming, forcing gas extraction companies out of countries within the WA that will have to abide by this over reaching legislation. Harming fledgling countries and territories within the WA with great potential for economic expansion because of the oil and gas industry. That being said, The Commonwealth of New South Ulster stands firmly for the Repeal of "Restrictions on Hydraulic Fracturing"

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Then my good Nation and leader or representative of this Nation, you misinterpret the Restrictions. While a repeal would lower the quality needed to be provided to safety and the type of fracking. By Standing by the repeal, you contradict your above statement as a whole. I am sorry, but this is what I am hearing(OOC: Reading). As the Restrictions do force business to be more safe about fracking and don't out right ban Fracking as a whole as explained by the maker of the ROHF GAR #417 has stated within the ROHF.
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Postby Germanic Tribes » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:25 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Nullite wrote:Why shouldn't we leave the ways nations get their energy up to the nations themselves? If they mess up, they'll try to fix it themselves. Can't you trust a nation to do what they want energy-wise?


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Postby Tzorsland » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:30 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote: :rofl:


The fact that you find that exceptionally funny is, in and of itself, exceptionally revealing. If you don't trust nations making those kind of decisions, how are you trusting nations to vote for those decisions in the WA? You can't trust someone with a decision, but you can trust that same person with a vote? Fascinating.
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Postby FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:33 pm

Nullite wrote:Why shouldn't we leave the ways nations get their energy up to the nations themselves? If they mess up, they'll try to fix it themselves. Can't you trust a nation to do what they want energy-wise?

Absolutely not.

Neither nations nor international bodies should be trusted with anything.

Only free individuals can be trusted, especially when it comes to energy.

That's why this repeal would have been such a massively important proposal. We are deeply ashamed of the results of this vote.
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:34 pm

Tzorsland wrote:
Sierra Lyricalia wrote: :rofl:


The fact that you find that exceptionally funny is, in and of itself, exceptionally revealing. If you don't trust nations making those kind of decisions, how are you trusting nations to vote for those decisions in the WA? You can't trust someone with a decision, but you can trust that same person with a vote? Fascinating.

Well the issue being voted on for repeal, does trust individual nations in the mannerism that it trusts each of them to assess their own distances from communities and borders to frack. If they get too close to either that is their own fault, while at the same time; You should understand that the WA is a endorsement vote system, meaning more endorsements one has the more their vote may count towards a proposal. Meaning the more endorsements one has the more they have a say on the vote itself. So this has nothing to do with trust and has more to do with popularity and if it benefits the international world. :ugeek:
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Postby Principality of the Raix » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:37 pm

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
Nullite wrote:Why shouldn't we leave the ways nations get their energy up to the nations themselves? If they mess up, they'll try to fix it themselves. Can't you trust a nation to do what they want energy-wise?

Absolutely not.

Neither nations nor international bodies should be trusted with anything.

Only free individuals can be trusted, especially when it comes to energy.

That's why this repeal would have been such a massively important proposal. We are deeply ashamed of the results of this vote.

Even then, individuals can not be trusted as each individual has their own assessment of knowledge. ONE individual may be more professional than another at a different job. However, thing is with power comes corruption. So trusting any individual or Government controlled by one individual or many is prone to corruption. Therefore, trusting anyone is rather an ironic thing to say.

While at the same time, this repeal would do nothing to benefit any one. Besides those who sought cheap Fracking or cheaper ways of disposing the waste from Fracking.
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Postby Wrapper » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:38 am

"Repeal "Restrictions on Hydraulic Fracturing"" was defeated 10,882 votes to 6,572.

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