[PASSED] Public Health and Vaccinations Act

[Tarsonis]

Yet it also means we can take it a step further and start placing mind-altering drugs in them to further quell any rebellion among the masses.

Section 5.

If hypothetical Nation A decides Hypotherical Disease B, can be vaccinated against by Psychotropic drug C. Section 5 does not prevent said abuse.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Your petty WA laws hold no power over the greater Imperial Federation. Being classified as a separate nation from this territory ensures the tyrannical socialist nanny state holds no power over our people.

Great. So you've godmodded your way out of the World Assembly. Why are we listening to this again?

If hypothetical Nation A decides Hypotherical Disease B, can be vaccinated against by Psychotropic drug C. Section 5 does not prevent said abuse.

Great. Read other parts of the Act.

[Clean Land]

well, I guess nations could classify protest(or rebellion) against the government as a dangerous disease... at least when considering this resolution.

[Imperium Anglorum]

well, I guess nations could classify protest(or rebellion) against the government as a dangerous disease... at least when considering this resolution.

Yea. Great. I'm going to redefine World Assembly member as part of Imperium Anglorum and then, you will discover that we never declare war upon other nations, we only engage on rebel pacification missions. Non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations are non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations.

[Clean Land]

well, I guess nations could classify protest(or rebellion) against the government as a dangerous disease... at least when considering this resolution.

Yea. Great. I'm going to redefine World Assembly member as part of Imperium Anglorum and then, you will discover that we never declare war upon other nations, we only engage on rebel pacification missions. Non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations are non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations.

We do not intend to classify protest or rebellion as disease.

[Tarsonis]

Your petty WA laws hold no power over the greater Imperial Federation. Being classified as a separate nation from this territory ensures the tyrannical socialist nanny state holds no power over our people.

Great. So you've godmodded your way out of the World Assembly. Why are we listening to this again?

If hypothetical Nation A decides Hypotherical Disease B, can be vaccinated against by Psychotropic drug C. Section 5 does not prevent said abuse.

Great. Read other parts of the Act.

Section 1. Compell nations to violate civil rights by mandating all citizens undergo unwanted medical procedure, in purely arbitrary incidents.
Section 2. Provide equally arbitrary reasons to exempt citizens from receiving vaccinations.
Section 3. Essentially member nations cannot provide financial or "inessential" services, meaning all non-vaccinated citizens are to be treated as second class citizens.
Section 4. Latitude to further restrict the rights of citizens.
Section 5. No over charging, no lacing the flu vaccine with Zoloft. Got it.


None of this prevents described abuse.

Dr A decides Hypthetical Disease B is treated with Psychoactivr agent C.

Section 1: We mandate the all citizens receive Agent C, juding the criteria stated here met.
Section 2: We determine no valid medical exemption exist.
Section 3: Not pertinent.
Section 4: All resistors quarantined from public life.
Section 5: Agent C being administered as intended, though side effects do occurr.


Congratulations, you've just given every nation legal grounds to labotomize their entire pooulagion.

[Fauxia]

“Yes, because it’s a violation of civil rights to prevent the spread of disease. Load of bullfrogs.”

[Pilarcraft]

“Yes, because it’s a violation of civil rights to prevent the spread of disease. Load of bullfrogs.”

well. it is non-consensual. it is, by definition, a violation of a person's civil rights. still, the alternative would be a semi-annual culling of the population because some asshole wouldn't vaccinate himself, so I'm not sure if, in this case, the public good can trump the individual right.

[Fauxia]

“Yes, because it’s a violation of civil rights to prevent the spread of disease. Load of bullfrogs.”

well. it is non-consensual. it is, by definition, a violation of a person's civil rights. still, the alternative would be a semi-annual culling of the population because some asshole wouldn't vaccinate himself, so I'm not sure if, in this case, the public good can trump the individual right.

“If you take that to be the definition of civil rights, that is.”

[Lamya]

Sultan Masiko and his main advisor, Elefales, havery made their decision. Despite being incredibly supportive of an international healthcare plan, there is only one thing within the proposal that sways them away.

Member nations shall require that all persons be vaccinated, given safe administration and evaluation of opportunity.

That is not what Lamya's mindset is! No one should be required to do anything.

[Greater Gilead]

"This resolution has our full support." - Sheridan Baldwin.

[Fauxia]

Sultan Masiko and his main advisor, Elefales, havery made their decision. Despite being incredibly supportive of an international healthcare plan, there is only one thing within the proposal that sways them away.

Member nations shall require that all persons be vaccinated, given safe administration and evaluation of opportunity.

That is not what Lamya's mindset is! No one should be required to do anything.

“Indeed, ambassador! No one should be required not to murder! It’s so obvious! No one should be required to pay taxes either!”

[Chesseer]

"Voted For. Basic medical services, including vaccinations, are required for any prosperous nation"

-Statement 76 of Grand Peoples Council of Chesseer

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Great. So you've godmodded your way out of the World Assembly. Why are we listening to this again?


Great. Read other parts of the Act.

Section 1. Compell nations to violate civil rights by mandating all citizens undergo unwanted medical procedure, in purely arbitrary incidents.
Section 2. Provide equally arbitrary reasons to exempt citizens from receiving vaccinations.
Section 3. Essentially member nations cannot provide financial or "inessential" services, meaning all non-vaccinated citizens are to be treated as second class citizens.
Section 4. Latitude to further restrict the rights of citizens.
Section 5. No over charging, no lacing the flu vaccine with Zoloft. Got it.


None of this prevents described abuse.

Dr A decides Hypthetical Disease B is treated with Psychoactivr agent C.

Section 1: We mandate the all citizens receive Agent C, juding the criteria stated here met.
Section 2: We determine no valid medical exemption exist.
Section 3: Not pertinent.
Section 4: All resistors quarantined from public life.
Section 5: Agent C being administered as intended, though side effects do occurr.


Congratulations, you've just given every nation legal grounds to labotomize their entire pooulagion.

"Section 5 doesn't say anything whatsoever about intended effects. It only says "for the purposes of inoculation".
To quote the section:
"Point of service costs for vaccines administered under section 1 shall not exceed minimal expense. Such vaccines shall not be altered to produce effects outside the scope of inoculation."

Of course, assuming you just use the base chemical and don't add anything later, you aren't technically altering it in any way, shape, or form, so as long as you charge a reasonable price, there's still nothing Section 5 can do to stop you.

In addition, section 3 states:
"Member nations and their governmental subdivisions shall not make transfer payments or provide inessential services, except where otherwise required by World Assembly law, to persons or the parents of minors who refuse to comply with the first and second sections of this Act."

In theory, by redefining the age of majority to, say, beyond the expected lifespan, and then introducing arbitrary restrictions and exceptions based on age, one could classify everyone as a minor, thus dodging Section 3 restrictions, and to continue, section 1 states that:
"Member nations shall require that all persons be vaccinated, given safe administration and evaluation of opportunity costs thereof, in a timely manner against any disease

a. to which the general public may reasonably be exposed and

b. is sufficiently infectious and virulent so as to threaten public health."

Therefore, if we judge introducing the vaccine to be harmful (say, by using the same logic many anti-vaxxers use, no matter how distasteful it might be to do so), then we are technically exempt from having to comply with this legislation at all.

But that's just a theory. A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME theory! Thanks for reading!"
-- The Dictator, after a rather lengthy D&D session.

[Fauxia]

OOC: Why all the green text?

[Tarsonis]

well. it is non-consensual. it is, by definition, a violation of a person's civil rights. still, the alternative would be a semi-annual culling of the population because some asshole wouldn't vaccinate himself, so I'm not sure if, in this case, the public good can trump the individual right.

“If you take that to be the definition of civil rights, that is.”

Ebola outbreak in city.
Nuke city.
Ebola outbreak averted.

No violation of civil rights there I guess.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

This resolution would be horrible even if it were proposed by someone other than Imperium Anglorum.

No surprise that it is complete garbage.

Someone please translate this part into English: "the right to believe empirically incorrect information does not extend to harming others" [sic].

What in the name of all that is good in the world is this total trash?

[Tarsonis]

This resolution would be horrible even if it were proposed by someone other than Imperium Anglorum.

No surprise that it is complete garbage.

Someone please translate this part into English: "the right to believe empirically incorrect information does not extend to harming others" [sic].

What in the name of all that is good in the world is this total trash?

Essentially, the government is able to crack down on all manner of wrongthink under the guise of "preventing harm"

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

well, I guess nations could classify protest(or rebellion) against the government as a dangerous disease... at least when considering this resolution.

Yea. Great. I'm going to redefine World Assembly member as part of Imperium Anglorum and then, you will discover that we never declare war upon other nations, we only engage on rebel pacification missions. Non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations are non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations.

Quite frankly this resolution is the worst thing I've ever read, and I've helped grade tests.

[Tarsonis]

Yea. Great. I'm going to redefine World Assembly member as part of Imperium Anglorum and then, you will discover that we never declare war upon other nations, we only engage on rebel pacification missions. Non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations are non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations.

Quite frankly this resolution is the worst thing I've ever read, and I've helped grade tests.

Hopefully not undergrad tests... if so,... My office has a full bar. Help yourself.

[Tarsonis]

Section 1. Compell nations to violate civil rights by mandating all citizens undergo unwanted medical procedure, in purely arbitrary incidents.
Section 2. Provide equally arbitrary reasons to exempt citizens from receiving vaccinations.
Section 3. Essentially member nations cannot provide financial or "inessential" services, meaning all non-vaccinated citizens are to be treated as second class citizens.
Section 4. Latitude to further restrict the rights of citizens.
Section 5. No over charging, no lacing the flu vaccine with Zoloft. Got it.


None of this prevents described abuse.

Dr A decides Hypthetical Disease B is treated with Psychoactivr agent C.

Section 1: We mandate the all citizens receive Agent C, juding the criteria stated here met.
Section 2: We determine no valid medical exemption exist.
Section 3: Not pertinent.
Section 4: All resistors quarantined from public life.
Section 5: Agent C being administered as intended, though side effects do occurr.


Congratulations, you've just given every nation legal grounds to labotomize their entire pooulagion.

"Section 5 doesn't say anything whatsoever about intended effects. It only says "for the purposes of inoculation".
To quote the section:
"Point of service costs for vaccines administered under section 1 shall not exceed minimal expense. Such vaccines shall not be altered to produce effects outside the scope of inoculation."

Of course, assuming you just use the base chemical and don't add anything later, you aren't technically altering it in any way, shape, or form, so as long as you charge a reasonable price, there's still nothing Section 5 can do to stop you.

In addition, section 3 states:
"Member nations and their governmental subdivisions shall not make transfer payments or provide inessential services, except where otherwise required by World Assembly law, to persons or the parents of minors who refuse to comply with the first and second sections of this Act."

In theory, by redefining the age of majority to, say, beyond the expected lifespan, and then introducing arbitrary restrictions and exceptions based on age, one could classify everyone as a minor, thus dodging Section 3 restrictions, and to continue, section 1 states that:
"Member nations shall require that all persons be vaccinated, given safe administration and evaluation of opportunity costs thereof, in a timely manner against any disease

a. to which the general public may reasonably be exposed and

b. is sufficiently infectious and virulent so as to threaten public health."

Therefore, if we judge introducing the vaccine to be harmful (say, by using the same logic many anti-vaxxers use, no matter how distasteful it might be to do so), then we are technically exempt from having to comply with this legislation at all.

But that's just a theory. A GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME theory! Thanks for reading!"
-- The Dictator, after a rather lengthy D&D session.

You've out pedanted my pedantary sir, Braavo. Which only proves the point, this bill is so egregiously vague and poorly written, that it simultaneously mandates the violation of civil rights, while opening the door for any number of civil rights violations merely by creative interpretation of ambiguity.

[Tarsonis]

Yea. Great. I'm going to redefine World Assembly member as part of Imperium Anglorum and then, you will discover that we never declare war upon other nations, we only engage on rebel pacification missions. Non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations are non-good-faith ridiculous interpretations.

We do not intend to classify protest or rebellion as disease.

You might not. But there are many ways to abuse this bill for the advancement of tyranny.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

“Yes, because it’s a violation of civil rights to prevent the spread of disease. Load of bullfrogs.”

There are thousands of ways to prevent the spread of disease.

Some of them are violations of civil rights.

This is common sense to anyone except Imperium Anglorum and those who seek to lay grounds for oppression.

[Cyll]

The Queendom of Cyll is happy to support this legislation.

[Zaandijk]

IC: "Wow, way to submit this without getting feedback," grumbles Iksana. "I don't see anything in here about how, exactly, a piss-poor third world country like my own is going to afford all of this. I mean, it's not like we're crawling in manufacturing plants, and we certainly don't have the money to import them. Unless you plan to personally trek right on over and provide all of the vaccines we'll need free of cost?"

IC: I agree with Iksana, not all nations are necessarily prosperous enough to fund national vaccinations. I can't help but see trouble. Are they to be excluded? Do they receive sanctions? I would argue a clause is to be included detailing this in a new version. Perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea to organise central funding for impoverished nations.

OOC: Do definitions from RL carry over freely to IG? E.g. could we interpret a vaccine as bombing a favela, or is it always a dead organism administered to individuals?