[PASSED] Ban on Ritual Sacrifice

[TURTLESHROOM II]

"Ambassador Drane, with all due respect and the utmost decorum, I must ask you one question. What are we as an assembly going to tell indigenous tribes and cultures who implement voluntary ritual sacrifices? You cannot simply rule out that there would be no one willing to sacrifice themselves to a god if they were to truly believe in it's power, especially if it is viewed upon as heroic or selfless."

The turtle in the vents shook his head and neck.

"TurtleShroom has taken hos-tall diplomatic sanctions and actions against human and-or sentient sacrificers before. As far as my country's concerned, any nation that commits human and-or sentient sacrifice ain't no nation and should be destroyed or forced to reform. As far as I'm concerned, stamp it out by force. It's very rare that we agree with the Devil's Congregate, but hee-yuh, this Resolution is dead on. We only object to the provision urgin' animal sacrifice to end. Today, it's urgin'. Tomorruh, it's enforced."

[Imperial Polk County]

"TurtleShroom has taken hos-tall diplomatic sanctions and actions against human and-or sentient sacrificers before. As far as my country's concerned, any nation that commits human and-or sentient sacrifice ain't no nation and should be destroyed or forced to reform. As far as I'm concerned, stamp it out by force. It's very rare that we agree with the Devil's Congregate, but hee-yuh, this Resolution is dead on. We only object to the provision urgin' animal sacrifice to end. Today, it's urgin'. Tomorruh, it's enforced."

Drane ponders before speaking. "Well... hear me out for a moment. I think it extremely unlikely, once this proposal passes, that someone is going to waste this chamber's time with another proposal that does nothing but mandate the end of animal sacrifices. It would be so narrow in scope, that I daresay no one would bother to take the time to draft such a resolution, especially with this one already in place. Also, and I admit this point is debatable, one could argue that a later mandate to criminalize animal sacrifice would be in contradiction to the recommendation in this proposal, once it passes. And, since proposals can't contradict existing legislation, it's arguable that such a proposal would be deemed illegal by the Secretariat. Does that make sense to you?"

[Willania Imperium]

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

OOC: I'm afraid that's impossible. You're forced into compliance, and any attempts not to is against GA rules.

IC: "What foolishness is this? You're forced to listen to GA rules. If you don't like it, then leave."

[Gana Dadag Gub Kur]

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

This is what our line should have been from the start. Good thinking my friend. I echo these statements. A pox on the WA if this ban passes, and we will never comply should it. Good day to all of you.

[Willania Imperium]

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

This is what our line should have been from the start. Good thinking my friend. I echo these statements. A pox on the WA if this ban passes, and we will never comply should it. Good day to all of you.

"If you choose not to, then leave the halls of the WA! Or be forced to!"

OOC: Seriously, you're going to have to.

[Scherzinger]

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

OOC: I'm afraid that's impossible. You're forced into compliance, and any attempts not to is against GA rules.

IC: "What foolishness is this? You're forced to listen to GA rules. If you don't like it, then leave."

hahahahaha, i will continue to do as i please as it is my dictatorship. We will continue to ignore things that will not benefit us

[United Massachusetts]

OOC: I'm afraid that's impossible. You're forced into compliance, and any attempts not to is against GA rules.

IC: "What foolishness is this? You're forced to listen to GA rules. If you don't like it, then leave."

hahahahaha, i will continue to do as i please as it is my dictatorship. We will continue to ignore things that will not benefit us

Resign from the WA, then.

[Separatist Peoples]

hahahahaha, i will continue to do as i please as it is my dictatorship. We will continue to ignore things that will not benefit us

Resign from the WA, then.

Ooc: don't waste your breath. This kind of roleplay is godmodding and this player has nothing of value to add to the discussion.

[Scherzinger]

Resign from the WA, then.

Ooc: don't waste your breath. This kind of roleplay is godmodding and this player has nothing of value to add to the discussion.

oh well if it isnt mr McChilds. found your safeplace yet?

[United Nations Under One Flag]

OOC: I'm afraid that's impossible. You're forced into compliance, and any attempts not to is against GA rules.

IC: "What foolishness is this? You're forced to listen to GA rules. If you don't like it, then leave."

The young representative speaks up,
"Or you may repeal it, or fine their people a negligible amount. In fact most arguments here appeal to the fact that their people may be seen as criminals and have that connotation follow them about, to their work, school, leisure; the punishment from the government may be negligible but the punishment from the society may be much too great."

The representative remembers that his is not paid by the state to represent the UNUOF other than the letter previously read, he sits, wondering why he didn't take the job opportunity.

[Scherzinger]

Besides, i refuse to tell my people and indigenous tribes that their traditions are prohibited by some pity-society act

[Separatist Peoples]

Besides, i refuse to tell my people and indigenous tribes that their traditions are prohibited by some pity-society act

Ooc: at this point, nobody much cares what you do

[Excidium Planetis]

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

"Your nation is therefore in non-compliance with several World Assembly Resolutions, and will be reported to the Compliance Commission." Blackbourne replies. "Additionally, I am requesting that your nation be added to the Excidian Navy's Planetary Raid Target list."

This is what our line should have been from the start. Good thinking my friend. I echo these statements. A pox on the WA if this ban passes, and we will never comply should it. Good day to all of you.

"Your nation as well. I hope you enjoy the interplanetary visit our warships will be giving you in a few months."

[Wallenburg]

"And it is very well that animal sacrifice is cast in a poor light. It is a waste of a whole host of resources, ranging from food to fur to fuel. Often, this is coupled with gruesome, cruel deaths for the animals involved. And all in the name of gods that, chances are, don't exist. If you consider the waste of significant supplies of valuable resources 'good', I honestly don't know what you might think is bad."

Consider that - as has always been common practice amongst the Hittites - the majority portion of offerings are eaten by the poor, similar to what the Arabs do on Eid al-Adha, and what Samaritans do on Pesach (as their Jewish cousins once did on the same day). Sharing most of the animal with those who need it the most, is part and parcel of ritual sacrifice for those of us who adhere to traditions which have their roots in the ancient Near East. The animals are also killed in the most humane way possible, for we have adopted many of the instructions on animal treatment from the great Zartosht (or as you know him, Zarathustra), who was very clear that animals being sacrificed must be treated with great care to avoid their needless suffering, before and throughout the ritual.

"Okay, I concede. Some cultures, such as yours, make an effort to reduce the waste involved in ritual sacrifice. Many others do not. I see no issue in recommending that animal sacrifice be banned, considering the apparent prevalence of cultures that do engage in wasteful, cruel animal sacrifice."

I will gladly take the words of Zartosht over yours in regard to the existence of Gods. There is no question they exist. If you were not so deeply enmeshed with your bigoted Western values, you might understand that reality. Until you do: May mist seize your windows, and smoke seize your house. May the logs in your hearth be stifled, and your god of materialism be subdued at the alter of your welfare state. May the sheep in your sheepfold be stifled, and the cows in your barn be stifled. May your ewes reject your lambs, and your cows reject their calves.

"Um...okay. You can mutter your paleolithic incantations and insist that East Wallenburg is in the west all you want. I really don't care. I'm civilized enough to know that you can't make such things happen just by rambling about farm animals I do not possess."

We will continue to engage in ritual sacrifice regardless of the outcome of this ban.

Against

This is what our line should have been from the start. Good thinking my friend. I echo these statements. A pox on the WA if this ban passes, and we will never comply should it. Good day to all of you.

OOC: So you've just been wasting our time, and nobody here has reason to give your words consideration. Understood.

[Ransium]

Ooc: don't waste your breath. This kind of roleplay is godmodding and this player has nothing of value to add to the discussion.

oh well if it isnt mr McChilds. found your safeplace yet?

Let's tone down the snark ASAP, unofficial warning for flaming. Have you found the site rules yet?

[Kazakstotzka]

"As a general principal, Kazakstotzka has traditionally protected the rights of religious refugees and citizens alike. Unfortunately, this growing cult is responsible for 1/4 of deaths and without a public religious organization, there's no way to ban it with our current system. Democratically speaking, the world assembly ban is the only way we can put an end to this without resorting to tyranny, as ritualistic sacrifice is entirely consensual." -World Assembly Ambassador

“Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." -Cult member.

[Lt Col Tahir Hussain]

The ritual sacrifice of Animals , for Muslims , is a cardinal principle of Faith .
On the plea that this Resolution urges to ban " ritual sacrifice " of " animals " , I urge all Muslims and supporters of religious freedom out there to turn this resolution down .

[Willania Imperium]

The ritual sacrifice of Animals , for Muslims , is a cardinal principle of Faith .
On the plea that this Resolution urges to ban " ritual sacrifice " of " animals " , I urge all Muslims and supporters of religious freedom out there to turn this resolution down .

"It only urges. It doesn't restrict you from sacrificing it. You're allowed to do it."

[Kazakstotzka]

The ritual sacrifice of Animals , for Muslims , is a cardinal principle of Faith .
On the plea that this Resolution urges to ban " ritual sacrifice " of " animals " , I urge all Muslims and supporters of religious freedom out there to turn this resolution down .

I'm pretty sure kosher and halal practices are still allowed on resolution.

[Hatterleigh]

"Now, Fellas.. I'm not saying Ritual Sacrifice is a necessarily good thing" President Botrum says before drinking a splash of water "But should it really be the World Assembly's job to say which countries can and cannot perform Ritual Sacrifice?" Botrum takes a small sigh "I mean, there are nations doing far worse than Killing some bum once in a while. Not only does this concept make little sense, but also it really just seems too much of a responsibility for the Assembly. Nations cannot let their sovereignty be violated like this. Sure, regulations could be placed on Sacrifice, but banning it altogether seems restrictive, as if one doesn't like it they should simply relocate" Babbles the Hatterleighian President

[Willania Imperium]

"Now, Fellas.. I'm not saying Ritual Sacrifice is a necessarily good thing" President Botrum says before drinking a splash of water "But should it really be the World Assembly's job to say which countries can and cannot perform Ritual Sacrifice?" Botrum takes a small sigh "I mean, there are nations doing far worse than Killing some bum once in a while. Not only does this concept make little sense, but also it really just seems too much of a responsibility for the Assembly. Nations cannot let their sovereignty be violated like this. Sure, regulations could be placed on Sacrifice, but banning it altogether seems restrictive, as if one doesn't like it they should simply relocate" Babbles the Hatterleighian President

"Basing an argument on National Sovereignty? You do realize that the WA must infringe on NatSov to create these proposals?"

[Aclion]

''forget national sovereignty then. What about individual liberty? It's been made clear that it's no accident voluntary sacrifice is included in the ban, but we already allow assisted suicide, and euthanasia. The only difference here is that there is the religious aspect. Are we really so little that we will restrict personal expression purely to spite people's faith?"

[Separatist Peoples]

''forget national sovereignty then. What about individual liberty? It's been made clear that it's no accident voluntary sacrifice is included in the ban, but we already allow assisted suicide, and euthanasia. The only difference here is that there is the religious aspect. Are we really so little that we will restrict personal expression purely to spite people's faith?"

"Cheerfully."

[Tinfect]

''forget national sovereignty then. What about individual liberty? It's been made clear that it's no accident voluntary sacrifice is included in the ban, but we already allow assisted suicide, and euthanasia. The only difference here is that there is the religious aspect. Are we really so little that we will restrict personal expression purely to spite people's faith?"

"The Lyricalian Delegation has resolved this nonsense previously."

[Hatterleigh]

"Now, Fellas.. I'm not saying Ritual Sacrifice is a necessarily good thing" President Botrum says before drinking a splash of water "But should it really be the World Assembly's job to say which countries can and cannot perform Ritual Sacrifice?" Botrum takes a small sigh "I mean, there are nations doing far worse than Killing some bum once in a while. Not only does this concept make little sense, but also it really just seems too much of a responsibility for the Assembly. Nations cannot let their sovereignty be violated like this. Sure, regulations could be placed on Sacrifice, but banning it altogether seems restrictive, as if one doesn't like it they should simply relocate" Babbles the Hatterleighian President

"Basing an argument on National Sovereignty? You do realize that the WA must infringe on NatSov to create these proposals?"

Botrum replies; "Not all proposals infringe on National Sovereignty the way this one does. And when they do I for one usually disagree. This one is certainly circumstantial, in my opinion. Simply put, there is no reason for there to be an international law that deals with each nation's sacrifice laws because every Nation has a different situation, some vastly different than others. If it was strictly about murdering enemy POVs, Hatterleigh and many other nations would most certainly have a different opinion because that would be international."