[PASSED] Repeal "Marriage Equality"

[Separatist Peoples]

1) in order to be considered a citizen you have to be part of our religion
2) don't like it ...yes leave
3)We don't care if you don't like it....follow rule 2
4)Your friends and family probably will shun you if you aren't part of the religion so why stay?
5) you cant get a job here if you don't conform
So.....

"I'm positive that you are in violation of GAR#30 and GAR#35, ambassador."

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

"Well, no. I wouldn't, since nothing in the target resolution actually stops you from practicing your religion. Which freedom of religion is usually refers to your ability to practice your personal religion, not a guarantee that you can then tell others they can or can't do something because of your religion. But that's beside the point. Marriage Equality should be repealed, if by some miracle it passes, because its a poorly written train wreck that in reality, is already sufficiently covered by extant resolutions. In my opinion anyways."

I was about to post amazing way to say it then realized you just said that on mine as well

1) in order to be considered a citizen you have to be part of our religion
2) don't like it ...yes leave
3)We don't care if you don't like it....follow rule 2
4)Your friends and family probably will shun you if you aren't part of the religion so why stay?
5) you cant get a job here if you don't conform
So.....

Well maybe there's a problem with forcing people to be part of your relegion. That guy who made the anti-lgbtqa argument with religious freedom(totally redundant argument by the way), what do you have to say to those reasons?

no one is forcing anyone.....like I said before leave!
Also I agree to a point

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

1) in order to be considered a citizen you have to be part of our religion
2) don't like it ...yes leave
3)We don't care if you don't like it....follow rule 2
4)Your friends and family probably will shun you if you aren't part of the religion so why stay?
5) you cant get a job here if you don't conform
So.....

"I'm positive that you are in violation of GAR#30 and GAR#35, ambassador."

remind me what that is?
EDIT:Nope I looked over it...im not in any violation.

[Separatist Peoples]

"I'm positive that you are in violation of GAR#30 and GAR#35, ambassador."

remind me what that is?

"GAR#30 in relevant part protects individual freedom of religious expression. GAR#35 in relevant part prevents government discrimination against inhabitants based on religious belief. If you base citizenship on religious belief, you are in violation of both, ambassador."

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

remind me what that is?

"GAR#30 in relevant part protects individual freedom of religious expression. GAR#35 in relevant part prevents government discrimination against inhabitants based on religious belief. If you base citizenship on religious belief, you are in violation of both, ambassador."

But they can leave...in fact we would supple the funds needed to leave.
no violation.
Just like those Amish communities

[Separatist Peoples]

"GAR#30 in relevant part protects individual freedom of religious expression. GAR#35 in relevant part prevents government discrimination against inhabitants based on religious belief. If you base citizenship on religious belief, you are in violation of both, ambassador."

But they can leave...in fact we would supple the funds needed to leave.
no violation.
Just like those Amish communities

"Backing up de facto banishment or turning a blind eye to private attack is a form of reprisal banned by GAR#30. "Affirms the right of all people to express their personal, moral, political, cultural, religious and ideological views freely and openly, without fear of reprisal;

"Further, you are obligated under GAR#30 to "enforce [those religious rights] fairly and equitably in the application of national laws," which includes protecting them from attacks the same way you would protect them from any other kind of motivated attack or reprisal. You, ambassador, are in violation. Don't forget, you have a good-faith obligation to enforce these under GAR#2."

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

But they can leave...in fact we would supple the funds needed to leave.
no violation.
Just like those Amish communities

"Backing up de facto banishment or turning a blind eye to private attack is a form of reprisal banned by GAR#30. "Affirms the right of all people to express their personal, moral, political, cultural, religious and ideological views freely and openly, without fear of reprisal;

"Further, you are obligated under GAR#30 to "enforce [those religious rights] fairly and equitably in the application of national laws," which includes protecting them from attacks the same way you would protect them from any other kind of motivated attack or reprisal. You, ambassador, are in violation. Don't forget, you have a good-faith obligation to enforce these under GAR#2."

Attacks? Sure if they don't leave they might get attacked...but that's what our police force is for. I'm sure there wouldn't be any biased on handling the situation. As for the banishment its not banishment completely they can come back anytime they want

[Imperial Siber]

"GAR#30 in relevant part protects individual freedom of religious expression. GAR#35 in relevant part prevents government discrimination against inhabitants based on religious belief. If you base citizenship on religious belief, you are in violation of both, ambassador."

But they can leave...in fact we would supple the funds needed to leave.
no violation.
Just like those Amish communities

You can't do this here. If you don't like leave your culture, friends, family, job, social life, and lodgings. Aside from the lgbtqa+ stuff, that's actually very horrible, and a country like your as you just escrimée it would be overthrown in the modern world, but would fit well in the dark ages.

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

But they can leave...in fact we would supple the funds needed to leave.
no violation.
Just like those Amish communities

You can't do this here. If you don't like leave your culture, friends, family, job, social life, and lodgings. Aside from the lgbtqa+ stuff, that's actually very horrible, and a country like your as you just escrimée it would be overthrown in the modern world, but would fit well in the dark ages.

you act like the middle east doesn't exist

[Separatist Peoples]

"Backing up de facto banishment or turning a blind eye to private attack is a form of reprisal banned by GAR#30. "Affirms the right of all people to express their personal, moral, political, cultural, religious and ideological views freely and openly, without fear of reprisal;

"Further, you are obligated under GAR#30 to "enforce [those religious rights] fairly and equitably in the application of national laws," which includes protecting them from attacks the same way you would protect them from any other kind of motivated attack or reprisal. You, ambassador, are in violation. Don't forget, you have a good-faith obligation to enforce these under GAR#2."

Attacks? Sure if they don't leave they might get attacked...but that's what our police force is for. I'm sure there wouldn't be any biased on handling the situation. As for the banishment its not banishment completely they can come back anytime they want

"Insisting they leave and constructing an environment hostile to the religiously non-conforming is a form of reprisal barred by GAR#30. Trying to backpedal and justify it just proves that you're not acting in good faith per GAR#2, ambassador." Bell rolls his eyes. "If you cannot be bothered to obey WA law, why should we consider your input when crafting it?"

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

Attacks? Sure if they don't leave they might get attacked...but that's what our police force is for. I'm sure there wouldn't be any biased on handling the situation. As for the banishment its not banishment completely they can come back anytime they want

"Insisting they leave and constructing an environment hostile to the religiously non-conforming is a form of reprisal barred by GAR#30. Trying to backpedal and justify it just proves that you're not acting in good faith per GAR#2, ambassador." Bell rolls his eyes. "If you cannot be bothered to obey WA law, why should we consider your input when crafting it?"

I do obey the law.
I just interpret it differently.
Just like the American constitution its written in plain english yet there are over 50 different interpretations

[Imperial Siber]

You can't do this here. If you don't like leave your culture, friends, family, job, social life, and lodgings. Aside from the lgbtqa+ stuff, that's actually very horrible, and a country like your as you just escrimée it would be overthrown in the modern world, but would fit well in the dark ages.

you act like the middle east doesn't exist

Could you remind what part of the world is in turmoil, civil war, political upheaval, and just like your nation?
Except that your nation(Unlike Saudis, UAE, and others) most likely wouldn't have massive oil reserves and ownership that has made it sadly not at war with(economically, diplomatically, or militarily) the western powers. Plenty of people don't like them, but embargo couldn't pass current congress. Becuase the current GOP in Congress is mostly backed by tycoons of oil from their parents or grandparents or more than that's hard work and they get it through inheritence

[Separatist Peoples]

"Insisting they leave and constructing an environment hostile to the religiously non-conforming is a form of reprisal barred by GAR#30. Trying to backpedal and justify it just proves that you're not acting in good faith per GAR#2, ambassador." Bell rolls his eyes. "If you cannot be bothered to obey WA law, why should we consider your input when crafting it?"

I do obey the law.
I just interpret it differently.
Just like the American constitution its written in plain english yet there are over 50 different interpretations

"Ambassador, your interpretation is demonstrably incorrect based on the plain meaning of the words and the requirement for Good Faith in promulgating law under GAR#2. You're blatantly incorrect. Now, we are starting to derail this discussion. If you wish to have further explanation as to your own interpretive failings, I invite you to use alternate methods of communication. Until then, let us stay on the topic of repeals."

[Uinted Communist of Africa]

you act like the middle east doesn't exist

Could you remind what part of the world is in turmoil, civil war, political upheaval, and just like your nation?
Except that your nation(Unlike Saudis, UAE, and others) most likely wouldn't have massive oil reserves and ownership that has made it sadly not at war with(economically, diplomatically, or militarily) the western powers. Plenty of people don't like them, but embargo couldn't pass current congress. Becuase the current GOP in Congress is mostly backed by tycoons of oil from their parents or grandparents or more than that's hard work and they get it through inheritence

Obviously we're pasted that stage or else we wouldn't be a stable country.
But lets stay on the topic of LtG...whatever rights

[The Wizard Hegemony]

The Theocratic Holy Empire of The Wizard Hegemony holds no qualms with anyone of any sexual orientation. However we do have strict policies against promiscuity, hypergamy, polygamy, "polyamory" and related infidelity. Therefore, so long as you are committed to your partner, regardless of the gender/sex pairing, there's no problem. Otherwise, the day you cheat is the day you're publicly hanged.

[Imperial Siber]

Could you remind what part of the world is in turmoil, civil war, political upheaval, and just like your nation?
Except that your nation(Unlike Saudis, UAE, and others) most likely wouldn't have massive oil reserves and ownership that has made it sadly not at war with(economically, diplomatically, or militarily) the western powers. Plenty of people don't like them, but embargo couldn't pass current congress. Becuase the current GOP in Congress is mostly backed by tycoons of oil from their parents or grandparents or more than that's hard work and they get it through inheritence

Obviously we're pasted that stage or else we wouldn't be a stable country.
But lets stay on the topic of LtG...whatever rights

In NS or Oil Countries in Middle Easy? Becuase you can't have violent civil wars in NS. If you could though, that would ruin part of the political simulator.

Also you just compared your nation in similarities to countries with Extreme Islamic Law/Sharia Law, same as some laws proposed by Congressional republicans. Let's look at some similarities between Sharia Law and old Biblacal Law

Sharia Law: Creationism be taught in schools, homosexuality be banned, teachers lead prayers in school, having the students join in, regardless of the students relegion, enforcing sexist guidelines on school ciriculum, death if slander to leading religious diety, death if hit parents, killed if kill, and many other things that were taken literally at the time and still are today by some

Radical Biblical Law: Creationism be taught in schools, homosexuality be banned, teachers lead prayers in school, having the students join in, regardless of the students relegion, enforcing sexist guidelines on school ciriculum, (following not proposed by GOP) death if slander to leading religious diety, death if hit parents, killed if kill, and many other things that were taken literally at the time and still are today by some

Does every Muslim and/or Christian follow these? No. That was the dark ages. Does saying that they do stereotyping nad assuming? Yes. Does relegion play as big a role in people's lives? No.

[Wallenburg]

"Ambassador, you must be high on something, and you must have an addiction to it, judging by your insistence on an absurd writing style and a systematic wasting of paper."

[Imperial Siber]

"Ambassador, you must be high on something, and you must have an addiction to it, judging by your insistence on an absurd writing style and a systematic wasting of paper."

Talking about grammar? Really?
Your grammars bad so your argument is invalid?
Personal attacks occur on the debater when their opponent has no more political/relevant to the debate reason, and refuses to concede defeat. Also, this is no waste of apparent. Debates are the backbone of democracy, the participation of the people in policies.But wait most Republicans don't like democracy, due to their preference for the electoral college

[Wallenburg]

Okay, all OOC, since you apparently won't post IC:

"Ambassador, you must be high on something, and you must have an addiction to it, judging by your insistence on an absurd writing style and a systematic wasting of paper."

Talking about grammar? Really?
Your grammars bad so your argument is invalid?

1) *grammar's
2) My ambassador criticized the writing style, not the grammar, of this resolution. Style and grammar are two very different things. You can have absolutely perfect grammar, and still have shit writing style.

Personal attacks occur on the debater when their opponent has no more political/relevant to the debate reason, and refuses to concede defeat.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but my ambassador is personally attacking the British ambassador because he finds it enjoyable to do so. It's all part of the Festering Snakepit's culture. I am not attacking IA. IA doesn't talk like this in normal conversation.

Also, this is no waste of apparent. Debates are the backbone of democracy, the participation of the people in policies.

My ambassador called this proposal a waste of paper, not a waste of air.

But wait most Republicans don't like democracy, due to their preference for the electoral college

What does this have to do with anything? I'm not even a Republican...

[Main]

(obviously ooc) This is not a discussion about "YN's views on LGBT rights." This is a thread about improving a proposed repeal of a resolution currently being voted on. Anglorum, presumably you'll fix the last line of your proposal so that it repeals the correct resolution. One nitpick, over-usage of "whereas" in the repeal is almost as bothersome as the repetition of "regognizing" and "resolved" in the original resolution.
Hopefully we won't need the repeal, and the resolution will fail to pass not for the idea it promotes but because of its redundancy and lack of adherence to established conventions (spelling and such).

(edited for clarity)

[Imperium Anglorum]

(obviously ooc) This is not a discussion about "YN's views on LGBT rights." This is a thread about improving a proposed repeal of a resolution currently being voted on. Anglorum, presumably you'll fix the last line of your proposal so that it repeals the correct resolution.

Oh wow! I forgot about that.

One nitpick, over-usage of "whereas" in the repeal is almost as bothersome as the repetition of "regognizing" and "resolved" in the original resolution.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo ... troduction

[Imperial Siber]

Okay, all OOC, since you apparently won't post IC:

Talking about grammar? Really?
Your grammars bad so your argument is invalid?

1) *grammar's
2) My ambassador criticized the writing style, not the grammar, of this resolution. Style and grammar are two very different things. You can have absolutely perfect grammar, and still have shit writing style.

Personal attacks occur on the debater when their opponent has no more political/relevant to the debate reason, and refuses to concede defeat.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here, but my ambassador is personally attacking the British ambassador because he finds it enjoyable to do so. It's all part of the Festering Snakepit's culture. I am not attacking IA. IA doesn't talk like this in normal conversation.

Also, this is no waste of apparent. Debates are the backbone of democracy, the participation of the people in policies.

My ambassador called this proposal a waste of paper, not a waste of air.

But wait most Republicans don't like democracy, due to their preference for the electoral college

What does this have to do with anything? I'm not even a Republican...

Nothing. Just a political view of mine. All politics are intertwined. But my writing style? I know it horrible. But can you see the points I'm making?

[Main]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo ... troduction

Oh geeze. Well, if it is good enough for the commonwealth, it is good enough for me. Carry on.

[Flowrisa]

"I throw my full support for this proposal." Alexis shuddered. "Let's just hope that this does pass."

[Yohannes]

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It is my pleasure to stand in support of the author of the draft: Repeal "Marriage Equality", and the drafting of this Bill itself. We support the principle behind the Resolution At Vote: Marriage Equality, but sadly not the Resolution At Vote (and subsequently, about to be passed Resolution) itself. Parliament has therefore made an advance/early vote of FOR the General Assembly Resolution at Vote Draft: Repeal "Marriage Equality."

Again, however, I would like to congratulate the Ambassador of Nevada and the government of the Nevada nation state, on caring so much about the cause of lesbian, gay, and bisexual rights. Unfortunately there was no peer-review process involved, and parliament cannot accept the Resolution At Vote (and subsequently, about to be passed Resolution) as it currently stands.

Her Excellency Elisa Wake, Emperor’s Counsel
World Assembly Ambassador of Yohannes