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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:50 am

Well, despite the minor errors, this is reaching quorum.

Congratulations.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Joshuahood » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:01 pm

12 more approvals in 2 days 9 hours... :)
Romulus Dion-Capulet Diablessa Potentia, Son of Elindra Kshrlmnt and Avakael Diablessa. Proud Grandson of Heras Savaer Dion
Former WA Delegate of Unknown
Raids participated in (regardless of outcome): 26

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 12:53 pm

A mean old man wrote:Well, despite the minor errors, this is reaching quorum.

Congratulations.


Joshuahood wrote:12 more approvals in 2 days 9 hours... :)


Thanks; this proposal wouldn't be anywhere without you two. I'm really happy with how this is turning out, despite some weird comments from people. Like, really weird and idiotic comments. I'll TG them to you if you want.
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby Joshuahood » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:01 pm

Potato World wrote:
A mean old man wrote:Well, despite the minor errors, this is reaching quorum.

Congratulations.


Joshuahood wrote:12 more approvals in 2 days 9 hours... :)


Thanks; this proposal wouldn't be anywhere without you two. I'm really happy with how this is turning out, despite some weird comments from people. Like, really weird and idiotic comments.


Thanks.

I'll TG them to you if you want.


Sure.
Romulus Dion-Capulet Diablessa Potentia, Son of Elindra Kshrlmnt and Avakael Diablessa. Proud Grandson of Heras Savaer Dion
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:04 pm

What exactly have they said? It's good to know what the opposition thinks. It's especially good to know if what they think is bullshit, because that usually means you're on the right track.

...and if they're just flat out calling you names or insulting you, that's worthy of submitting a GHR.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:43 pm

A mean old man wrote:What exactly have they said? It's good to know what the opposition thinks. It's especially good to know if what they think is bullshit, because that usually means you're on the right track.

...and if they're just flat out calling you names or insulting you, that's worthy of submitting a GHR.


One clone kept on criticizing my grammar over and over again. Asked to stop a few times, didn't listen.

The former leader of the region didn't believe that we were going to condemn them, and constantly sent clones to spam our message boards with messages such as "LETTER!!!!" or "SPAM!!!!" stretched over long distances. He also personally sent me a large spam telegram, that said "letter" over a long distance.

We asked them many times to stop the spam and harassment, and they just kept on ignoring us, forming new spam nations, making them join us, spam our message boards, at which point we'd kick and ban them, then they'd create a new one, and the cycle repeats.

In addition, I've heard from other members that the region tried to recruit them by claiming that they'd get extra rewards for their region such as a boost in a category they were weak in, as long as they joined the region.

Lots of other stuff not on the top of my head at this time, but you get the point.
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:45 pm

If you keep getting those telegrams, particuarly after you've asked the senders to stop, keep them and use this page to report them.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 1:50 pm

A mean old man wrote:If you keep getting those telegrams, particuarly after you've asked the senders to stop, keep them and use this page to report them.


I already got all the telegram spammers that I know of banned by the mods. Some people that spammed our region board were never banned, though. They've stopped since then.
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:06 pm

Alright, good.

It's already at 49 approvals; 8 more to go.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:07 pm

Okay, we need 8 more approvals for this proposal to get to the Security Council floor. Make sure that ALL OF YOUR DELEGATES APPROVE THIS! It's for the greater good of everyone in NationStates.
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:08 pm

A mean old man wrote:Alright, good.

It's already at 49 approvals; 8 more to go.


Is your delegate away or something? If not, can you please tell them to approve the proposal?
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:22 pm

Potato World wrote:
A mean old man wrote:Alright, good.

It's already at 49 approvals; 8 more to go.


Is your delegate away or something? If not, can you please tell them to approve the proposal?


I can try... He doesn't do much any more...

I have a feeling he's not going to be re-elected this May, and one of our more active WA members will take over then.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:49 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Potato World wrote:
A mean old man wrote:Alright, good.

It's already at 49 approvals; 8 more to go.


Is your delegate away or something? If not, can you please tell them to approve the proposal?


I can try... He doesn't do much any more...

I have a feeling he's not going to be re-elected this May, and one of our more active WA members will take over then.


This May? Why not this April?
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby Joshuahood » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:54 pm

Potato World wrote:
A mean old man wrote:
Potato World wrote:
A mean old man wrote:Alright, good.

It's already at 49 approvals; 8 more to go.


Is your delegate away or something? If not, can you please tell them to approve the proposal?


I can try... He doesn't do much any more...

I have a feeling he's not going to be re-elected this May, and one of our more active WA members will take over then.


This May? Why not this April?


Why not May? May is probably when Corporate's Delegate elections are.
Romulus Dion-Capulet Diablessa Potentia, Son of Elindra Kshrlmnt and Avakael Diablessa. Proud Grandson of Heras Savaer Dion
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Postby Free and Open States » Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:59 pm

TO ALL WA DELEGATES: Do not approve this. This is too general. It says that this nation has created puppets. When did creating puppets become a bad think.

The delegate for Christian Conservative Land will not approve or vote for this.

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:05 pm

Free and Open States wrote:TO ALL WA DELEGATES: Do not approve this. This is too general. It says that this nation has created puppets. When did creating puppets become a bad think.

The delegate for Christian Conservative Land will not approve or vote for this.


I respect your opinion on this subject; I believe that all deserve their own opinion.
However, I think you're overlooking some important facts. I'm not condemning the region for creating puppets, I'm condemning them for creating puppets and abusing the ability to have those puppets by using them to harm other regions. I've created puppets as well; I have no problem with puppets as long as more than one isn't in the World Assembly. I don't get what you mean with "general" as well; I think it's plenty detailed. If you feel it's too general, would you please specify on what you think is too general?
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Postby Free and Open States » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:09 pm

You didn't give any examples of what he did.

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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:12 pm

Free and Open States wrote:You didn't give any examples of what he did.


*sigh*

Read the proposal, Elktown.

Don't bother with Elkie, Taterworld. He tries to oppose everything that pops up in the WA, with a method of reasoning that lacks adequate observation and consideration of details. I honestly don't know why he hasn't moved to AWA or Gatesville already.

Joshuahood wrote:May is probably when Corporate's Delegate elections are.


Correct.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:13 pm

Free and Open States wrote:You didn't give any examples of what he did.


I gave quite a few examples of what he did. I didn't feel the need to stretch it on and elaborate on the examples too much. The face that they spammed and harassed other regions and region members stands well enough on its own.

This is from an above forum post of mine:

One clone kept on criticizing my grammar over and over again. Asked to stop a few times, didn't listen.

The former leader of the region didn't believe that we were going to condemn them, and constantly sent clones to spam our message boards with messages such as "LETTER!!!!" or "SPAM!!!!" stretched over long distances. He also personally sent me a large spam telegram, that said "letter" over a long distance.

We asked them many times to stop the spam and harassment, and they just kept on ignoring us, forming new spam nations, making them join us, spam our message boards, at which point we'd kick and ban them, then they'd create a new one, and the cycle repeats.

In addition, I've heard from other members that the region tried to recruit them by claiming that they'd get extra rewards for their region such as a boost in a category they were weak in, as long as they joined the region.

Lots of other stuff not on the top of my head at this time, but you get the point.
King Brettius XVIII, Grand Ruler of The Bountiful Fields of Potato World; World Assembly Delegate for Imperium Sine Fine

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Postby Free and Open States » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:13 pm

No, he didn't give any clear examples of where he spammed. If he did that, I may actually vote for this.

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:14 pm

A mean old man wrote:
Free and Open States wrote:You didn't give any examples of what he did.


*sigh*

Read the proposal, Elktown.

Don't bother with Elkie, Taterworld. He tries to oppose everything that pops up in the WA, with a method of reasoning that lacks adequate observation and consideration of details. I honestly don't know why he hasn't moved to AWA or Gatesville already.

Joshuahood wrote:May is probably when Corporate's Delegate elections are.


Correct.


I can see that, especially with the fact that he constantly repeats the fact that he's a Christian conservative Republican. Way too much like real life on this game sometimes...
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Postby A mean old man » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:15 pm

Free and Open States wrote:No, he didn't give any clear examples of where he spammed. If he did that, I may actually vote for this.


FURTHER NOTING that among the regions affected by this is Imperium Sine Fine;
Last edited by A mean old man on Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:16 pm, edited 2 times in total.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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Postby Free and Open States » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:15 pm

Free and Open States wrote:No, he didn't give any clear examples of where he spammed. If he did that, I may actually vote for this.


This

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Postby Potato World » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:15 pm

Free and Open States wrote:No, he didn't give any clear examples of where he spammed. If he did that, I may actually vote for this.


The 2 puppetmasters spammed on Imperium Sine Fine's messageboard, as well as on some of our members' (including my own) messageboards, as well as constant harassing messages after repeatedly asking them to stop.
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Postby Free and Open States » Mon Apr 05, 2010 3:29 pm

Ok, I may consider it.

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