[PASSED] Commend Guy

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

I don't think people should be commended simply for defending.

He's done more than defending.

[Solorni]

I don't think people should be commended simply for defending.

He's done more than defending.

Also, TRR was very much dead underneath his tenures as Delegate in TRR. This is not something we should be encouraging.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

He's done more than defending.

Also, TRR was very much dead underneath his tenures as Delegate in TRR. This is not something we should be encouraging.

Oh, like Balder is much more active

[Solorni]

Also, TRR was very much dead underneath his tenures as Delegate in TRR. This is not something we should be encouraging.

Oh, like Balder is much more active

In TRR's entire history, they have only averaged 19 posts per day. This is buoyed by the recent term underneath Catalyse where they have been the most active they have ever been in their history. Balder in comparison has had over 50 posts per day which is why it has a much larger forum despite being much younger than TRR.

As well, Catalyse has demonstrated that TRR has had historically weak delegates. Her endorsement count is much higher than previous delegates.

Thus, and I recall that Guy's term was a very inactive period that this is not something we should accept in the Sinkers. This not something we should be awarding people for. If TRR was a UCR it would have gone founderless and be empty by now considering how its past leaders simply used the position for their own benefit rather than the regions and how little they cared for it.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

Oh, like Balder is much more active

In TRR's entire history, they have only averaged 19 posts per day. This is buoyed by the recent term underneath Catalyse where they have been the most active they have ever been in their history. Balder in comparison has had over 50 posts per day which is why it has a much larger forum despite being much younger than TRR.

As well, Catalyse has demonstrated that TRR has had historically weak delegates. Her endorsement count is much higher than previous delegates.

Thus, and I recall that Guy's term was a very inactive period that this is not something we should accept in the Sinkers. This not something we should be awarding people for. If TRR was a UCR it would have gone founderless and be empty by now considering how its past leaders simply used the position for their own benefit rather than the regions and how little they cared for it.

Yes, Catalyse has made the region more active. However, our past leaders didn't all use the delegacy for their benefit.

[Frattastan II]

In TRR's entire history, they have only averaged 19 posts per day. This is buoyed by the recent term underneath Catalyse where they have been the most active they have ever been in their history.

This is incorrect. The most active we have ever been was in 2011, in the latter part of Naivetry's term, and during Sedge's term.
We also had similar activity levels to the current ones for significant parts of both mine and Unibot's delegacies (2013-15).

As for Catalyse's endorsement count, this is no small part because WA propulation is also at an all-time high.
GCR delegates have already surpassed (or are close to surpassing) the levels their predecessor had in 2003, which was previously considered a 'golden age'.

[Solorni]

This non-defense of Guy says it all doesn't it? Clearly this is about commending Guy simply because he was delegate of TRR and did defending. I couldn't imagine Europeia trying to commend one of its past Presidents simply because they were President even though their term was inactive or the region was in an awful state. This is a terrible precedent.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

This non-defense of Guy says it all doesn't it? Clearly this is about commending Guy simply because he was delegate of TRR and did defending. I couldn't imagine Europeia trying to commend one of its past Presidents simply because they were President even though their term was inactive or the region was in an awful state. This is a terrible precedent.

Nah, we're commending Guy because of his achievements and things he's done. Fratt was simply correcting you, not defending Guy.

[Frattastan II]

This non-defense of Guy says it all doesn't it?

I don't care about the Commendation, honestly, and I haven't even read it for now.
Your non-attack of Guy - preferring a general criticism of everything TRR - says it more.

I couldn't imagine Europeia trying to commend one of its past Presidents simply because they were President even though their term was inactive or the region was in an awful state. This is a terrible precedent.

And I couldn't imagine Europeia having someone stalking the forum to find every thread remotely related to them to post the same refrain either.

[Solorni]

This non-defense of Guy says it all doesn't it?

I don't care about the Commendation, honestly, and I haven't even read it for now.
Your non-attack of Guy - preferring a general criticism of everything TRR - says it more.

This commendation is in large based on his delegacy and work in TRR, is it not?

[Fauxia]

I don't care about the Commendation, honestly, and I haven't even read it for now.
Your non-attack of Guy - preferring a general criticism of everything TRR - says it more.

This commendation is in large based on his delegacy and work in TRR, is it not?

You should read the sixth clause

[The Stalker]

Raiders get Condemn for mainly raiding, I don't see why defenders can't get Commended for their years of defending. Plus he has his work in TRR, TITO, and TNP.

I think Guy has earned a Commending, and I fully support this.

[Frattastan II]

You didn't address his delegacy (which happened at a key time, if we're referring to the second term) or his much more important FA work, however.
You made a general dismissal of it as 'inactive' (strong analysis) because of TRR's perpetual inactive because something something.

You also failed to address his defending career at all, simply saying that defending isn't a commendable activity (as if we didn't have a load of condemnations founded on raiding alone).

It was a garbage post, basically.
I'll wait for Onder to come to your rescue.

[Solorni]

Just because you believe that defending on its own is commendable, does not mean that I believe that. The SC has defeated previous proposals like that, but not all as you state.

I still don't see how being delegate of one of the least active gcrs is commendable... so you will have to explain to me why you believe guy is commendable if you want me to vote for this.

[Canton Empire]

Just because you believe that defending on its own is commendable, does not mean that I believe that. The SC has defeated previous proposals like that, but not all as you state.

I still don't see how being delegate of one of the least active gcrs is commendable... so you will have to explain to me why you believe guy is commendable if you want me to vote for this.

You're not going to vote for it, so they don't have to do the explaining and begging for your vote. Also, you said TRR was inactive and is inactive, so the burden of proof is on you to prove it.

[Glacikaldr]

Chill. It's not whether or not we or anyone else thinks Guy should be commended yet. That's for the vote in the WA to decide. All MM is doing is proposing the resolution. Plenty of resolutions that the majority of people have disagreed with have gone to a vote in the past. I do not believe this will be one of them, but you're free to have your opinion just how we are free to have ours.

Though, your narrative is offensive and laughable at times. I would say we should treat Balder with the same level of scrutiny, but Balder has fallen out of any reasonable spotlight as of late and the readers over at The Rejected Times would be bored by an article on whatever Balder is nowadays.

[Guy]

In TRR's entire history, they have only averaged 19 posts per day. This is buoyed by the recent term underneath Catalyse where they have been the most active they have ever been in their history. Balder in comparison has had over 50 posts per day which is why it has a much larger forum despite being much younger than TRR.

As well, Catalyse has demonstrated that TRR has had historically weak delegates. Her endorsement count is much higher than previous delegates.

Thus, and I recall that Guy's term was a very inactive period that this is not something we should accept in the Sinkers. This not something we should be awarding people for. If TRR was a UCR it would have gone founderless and be empty by now considering how its past leaders simply used the position for their own benefit rather than the regions and how little they cared for it.

I don’t think that there’s much of a place for me to comment on a proposal to commend me (a proposal that I do think needs more work). What you are doing here though is attacking a whole swag of people as self-interested and not caring about TRR.

The idea that sedge, Wham, fratt, LR or CoS don’t care about TRR, and only became delegates to serve their own agenda, is laughable. As for me, I had two terms as TRR Delegate. The second one, that you constantly refer to, was one that I very much did not desire. I ran purely due to circumstances at the time, and envisaged from the start that it would be a transitional delegacy. The first term was in 2011. Since posts/day is apparently what makes or breaks a region, we had 87 back then. However, I would not be so self-absorbed as to claim the credit for that: The Delegate doesn’t create activity, the region as a whole does. The contribution of those at the apex of the region will vary.

You can have a reasonable debate about whether my contributions merit a commendation. You would do it without spreading mistruths about my region.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Guy is plenty deserving of commendation, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner, to be honest.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

Guy is plenty deserving of commendation, and I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner, to be honest.

Truth. ^

[The Church of Satan]

Oh, like Balder is much more active

In TRR's entire history, they have only averaged 19 posts per day. This is buoyed by the recent term underneath Catalyse where they have been the most active they have ever been in their history. Balder in comparison has had over 50 posts per day which is why it has a much larger forum despite being much younger than TRR.

As well, Catalyse has demonstrated that TRR has had historically weak delegates. Her endorsement count is much higher than previous delegates.

Thus, and I recall that Guy's term was a very inactive period that this is not something we should accept in the Sinkers. This not something we should be awarding people for. If TRR was a UCR it would have gone founderless and be empty by now considering how its past leaders simply used the position for their own benefit rather than the regions and how little they cared for it.

Every region has periods of low activity. Balder is no exception. This thread is a place to draft a commendation for Guy. This is not a place to bicker about who's endorsement count is bigger. And just as Guy himself said, the notion that any delegate over the last what...5+ years became delegate for selfish reasons is indeed laughable at best. How would you even know anyways Rach? I don't recall seeing you in TRR, questioning the candidates or having literally anything to do with TRR whatsoever. How would you know? The fact that you can honestly question the motives of any of our delegates with regards to being delegate is absurd. But by all means though go ahead and tell everyone why I became delegate of TRR. I'm sure you know so much more about me than I ever could.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

Updated the OP again.


What does everyone think? I think it's almost ready to be submitted.

[The Church of Satan]

I like the content. It's the length (or lack thereof) that bothers me. It just doesn't seem to do him justice.

[Please Understand]

I support.

[Yukkira]

I support this as well.

[Marilyn Manson Freaks]

I support this as well.

Do you think it's ready to submit?