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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:23 am

Iyanden wrote:How could you support a vile man that supports communists the most evil people present and in history that killed way more than any other ideology. This "anti fascism" BS has gone too far. Not to mention how he occupies innocent regions because muh fascism because they don't agree with his vile ideology. I cant believe so many people support this vile nation. Shows how far leftist the WA is now. Fascist regions have a right to exist and gather round together without being harassed.


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Fascist Republic of Israel WA double
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Ex-Nation

Postby Fascist Republic of Israel WA double » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:49 am

If we replace every instance of the word "fascist" and conjugations thereof with "Jew" and conjugations thereof in this resolution, it becomes exceedingly confusing and insulting to any Jew reading it, as it puts them equal with the particular type of scum of the world colloquially known as "Nazis," not to mention it becoming highly antisemitic. As my fascist nation is ethnically Jewish by overwhelming majority, this is exactly how it reads as-is to my citizens.

TL;DR This is offensive and confusing to my people.

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Iyanden
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Postby Iyanden » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:21 am

Willania Imperium wrote:
Iyanden wrote:How could you support a vile man that supports communists the most evil people present and in history that killed way more than any other ideology. This "anti fascism" BS has gone too far. Not to mention how he occupies innocent regions because muh fascism because they don't agree with his vile ideology. I cant believe so many people support this vile nation. Shows how far leftist the WA is now

“Ya da ya da blah blah ‘commie lover’ blah blah ‘anti-fascist’ blah blah. If you’re going to not support someone, at least don’t base it entirely on ideology.

He attacks people based on his ideology

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Brunhizzle
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Ex-Nation

Postby Brunhizzle » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:18 pm

Fascist Republic of Israel WA double wrote:If we replace every instance of the word "fascist" and conjugations thereof with "Jew" and conjugations thereof in this resolution, it becomes exceedingly confusing and insulting to any Jew reading it, as it puts them equal with the particular type of scum of the world colloquially known as "Nazis," not to mention it becoming highly antisemitic. As my fascist nation is ethnically Jewish by overwhelming majority, this is exactly how it reads as-is to my citizens.

TL;DR This is offensive and confusing to my people.

Your "TL;DR" should read "TL;DR I don't understand the difference between an ideology and an ethnoreligious group."
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Agadar
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Agadar » Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:46 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
Fascist Republic of Israel WA double wrote:If we replace every instance of the word "fascist" and conjugations thereof with "Jew" and conjugations thereof in this resolution, it becomes exceedingly confusing and insulting to any Jew reading it, as it puts them equal with the particular type of scum of the world colloquially known as "Nazis," not to mention it becoming highly antisemitic. As my fascist nation is ethnically Jewish by overwhelming majority, this is exactly how it reads as-is to my citizens.

TL;DR This is offensive and confusing to my people.

Your "TL;DR" should read "TL;DR I don't understand the difference between an ideology and an ethnoreligious group."


Passive-aggressive remarks won't win your region's commendation more votes, Brun.
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Fauxia
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Postby Fauxia » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:01 pm

Agadar wrote:
Brunhizzle wrote:Your "TL;DR" should read "TL;DR I don't understand the difference between an ideology and an ethnoreligious group."


Passive-aggressive remarks won't win your region's commendation more votes, Brun.
They (she, right?) are/is just pointing something out, c’mon
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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:26 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:“Ya da ya da blah blah ‘commie lover’ blah blah ‘anti-fascist’ blah blah. If you’re going to not support someone, at least don’t base it entirely on ideology.

He attacks people based on his ideology


So? Lots of regions often attack regions based on their ideology? What makes his bad?

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Postby Agadar » Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:58 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Agadar wrote:
Passive-aggressive remarks won't win your region's commendation more votes, Brun.
They (she, right?) are/is just pointing something out, c’mon


He was not pointing something out. He was obviously making a passive-aggressive remark.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:08 pm

Agadar wrote:
Fauxia wrote:They (she, right?) are/is just pointing something out, c’mon


He was not pointing something out. He was obviously making a passive-aggressive remark.

How dare she comment that an ethnicity isn't the same as choosing to be fascist!?

I don't need to win their vote. Nor do I want to. I, and I'm sure the rest of Europeia, proudly stand by my commitment to fight against Nazism. While this commendation mistakingly labels CAIN as an effort to fight against fascism, rather than Nazism, I still support its message and will happily oppose those who wish to compare that fight to the persecution of Jews, regardless of whether or not it wins the commendation votes.
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Agadar
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Postby Agadar » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:19 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
Agadar wrote:
He was not pointing something out. He was obviously making a passive-aggressive remark.

How dare she comment that an ethnicity isn't the same as choosing to be fascist!?

I don't need to win their vote. Nor do I want to. I, and I'm sure the rest of Europeia, proudly stand by my commitment to fight against Nazism. While this commendation mistakingly labels CAIN as an effort to fight against fascism, rather than Nazism, I still support its message and will happily oppose those who wish to compare that fight to the persecution of Jews, regardless of whether or not it wins the commendation votes.


No one asked for a speech, but hey, good for you.
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Postby Brunhizzle » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:24 pm

Agadar wrote:No one asked for a speech, but hey, good for you.

Bless your heart, you've never read an actual speech. How tragic.
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Postby Agadar » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:37 pm

Brunhizzle wrote:
Agadar wrote:No one asked for a speech, but hey, good for you.

Bless your heart, you've never read an actual speech. How tragic.


If you're not going to contribute to the discussion surrounding Europeia's commendation, I'd like to politely ask you to take your nonsense elsewhere.
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Deladara
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Deladara » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:46 pm

Agadar wrote:
Brunhizzle wrote:Your "TL;DR" should read "TL;DR I don't understand the difference between an ideology and an ethnoreligious group."


Passive-aggressive remarks won't win your region's commendation more votes, Brun.

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Postby Brunhizzle » Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:51 pm

Agadar wrote:If you're not going to contribute to the discussion surrounding Europeia's commendation, I'd like to politely ask you to take your nonsense elsewhere.


Says the guy whose major claim to a contribution in this thread is criticizing a piece of valid, if sarcastic, concern about comparing fascists to Jews and looking negatively at a commendation focused on a region that has spent almost a decade positively contributing to the game and its fellow region.

Truly, in the face of such impressive additions to the thread, my own contributions look paltry in comparison.
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FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever
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Literally what

Postby FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:25 pm

Iyanden wrote:How could you support a vile man that supports communists the most evil people present and in history that killed way more than any other ideology. This "anti fascism" BS has gone too far. Not to mention how he occupies innocent regions because muh fascism because they don't agree with his vile ideology. I cant believe so many people support this vile nation. Shows how far leftist the WA is now. Fascist regions have a right to exist and gather round together without being harassed.

(1) Fascism is a leftist movement.

(2) Anti-fascism cannot go "too far". That would be logically inconceivable.

(3) Fascist regions do not have rights at all.

(4) You are now our enemy.
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Postby Willania Imperium » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:30 pm

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
Iyanden wrote:How could you support a vile man that supports communists the most evil people present and in history that killed way more than any other ideology. This "anti fascism" BS has gone too far. Not to mention how he occupies innocent regions because muh fascism because they don't agree with his vile ideology. I cant believe so many people support this vile nation. Shows how far leftist the WA is now. Fascist regions have a right to exist and gather round together without being harassed.

(1) Fascism is a leftist movement.

(2) Anti-fascism cannot go "too far". That would be logically inconceivable.

(3) Fascist regions do not have rights at all.

(4) You are now our enemy.


"While you support this, there are some things we must say."

1) "It's been relatively placed on the far-right side, due to being against liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism."

2) "It can go too far if it leads to persecution against those supporting fascism, which is ironically the same thing done by the fascists."

3) "Everyone has rights. Just because you disagree with them or they've abused something doesn't give you the right to abuse them back."

4) "If you keep declaring enemies against those who disagree with your point of view, you are being a self-centered prick that blinds themselves from the opinions of others."

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Postby Iyanden » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:39 pm

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
Iyanden wrote:How could you support a vile man that supports communists the most evil people present and in history that killed way more than any other ideology. This "anti fascism" BS has gone too far. Not to mention how he occupies innocent regions because muh fascism because they don't agree with his vile ideology. I cant believe so many people support this vile nation. Shows how far leftist the WA is now. Fascist regions have a right to exist and gather round together without being harassed.

(1) Fascism is a leftist movement.

(2) Anti-fascism cannot go "too far". That would be logically inconceivable.

(3) Fascist regions do not have rights at all.

(4) You are now our enemy.

You vile Marxists are our enemy. So called "anti fascist" means your just a Marxist degenerate like yourself

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Postby Iyanden » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:39 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:(1) Fascism is a leftist movement.

(2) Anti-fascism cannot go "too far". That would be logically inconceivable.

(3) Fascist regions do not have rights at all.

(4) You are now our enemy.


"While you support this, there are some things we must say."

1) "It's been relatively placed on the far-right side, due to being against liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism."
Finally someone decent

2) "It can go too far if it leads to persecution against those supporting fascism, which is ironically the same thing done by the fascists."

3) "Everyone has rights. Just because you disagree with them or they've abused something doesn't give you the right to abuse them back."

4) "If you keep declaring enemies against those who disagree with your point of view, you are being a self-centered prick that blinds themselves from the opinions of others."

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LOL

Postby FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever » Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:38 am

Iyanden wrote:
FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:(1) Fascism is a leftist movement.

(2) Anti-fascism cannot go "too far". That would be logically inconceivable.

(3) Fascist regions do not have rights at all.

(4) You are now our enemy.

You vile Marxists are our enemy. So called "anti fascist" means your just a Marxist degenerate like yourself

There are no Marxists here. If you take a quick look at us, you will see that we are 100% committed to free market capitalism.
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Agadar
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Agadar » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:33 am

Brunhizzle wrote:
Agadar wrote:If you're not going to contribute to the discussion surrounding Europeia's commendation, I'd like to politely ask you to take your nonsense elsewhere.


Says the guy whose major claim to a contribution in this thread is criticizing a piece of valid, if sarcastic, concern about comparing fascists to Jews and looking negatively at a commendation focused on a region that has spent almost a decade positively contributing to the game and its fellow region.

Truly, in the face of such impressive additions to the thread, my own contributions look paltry in comparison.


I'm glad you came around to agreeing with me.
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Postby Kanglia » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:53 am

Agadar wrote:
Brunhizzle wrote:
Says the guy whose major claim to a contribution in this thread is criticizing a piece of valid, if sarcastic, concern about comparing fascists to Jews and looking negatively at a commendation focused on a region that has spent almost a decade positively contributing to the game and its fellow region.

Truly, in the face of such impressive additions to the thread, my own contributions look paltry in comparison.


I'm glad you came around to agreeing with me.


I don't think you get sarcasm very well....
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Agadar
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Postby Agadar » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:03 am

Kanglia wrote:
Agadar wrote:
I'm glad you came around to agreeing with me.


I don't think you get sarcasm very well....


I don't think you get 'interpreting a sarcastic remark literally for the sake of taking the piss' very well.
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Postby Iyanden » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:28 am

FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever wrote:
Iyanden wrote:You vile Marxists are our enemy. So called "anti fascist" means your just a Marxist degenerate like yourself

There are no Marxists here. If you take a quick look at us, you will see that we are 100% committed to free market capitalism.

Your still a degenerate anarchist or socially a cultural Marxist even if your not economically.

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Postby Aexnidaral » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:38 am

Agadar wrote:
Brunhizzle wrote:Bless your heart, you've never read an actual speech. How tragic.


If you're not going to contribute to the discussion surrounding Europeia's commendation, I'd like to politely ask you to take your nonsense elsewhere.


Thinking face dot emoji.

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Postby Brunhizzle » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:18 am

Aexnidaral wrote:Thinking face dot emoji.

Watch out Brun, even the most innocuous statements will be spun into a scandal :p

You might as well call this Sassgate.
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