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[DEFEATED] Repeal "Restrictions On Child Labor"

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[DEFEATED] Repeal "Restrictions On Child Labor"

Postby Albul II » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:57 am

Category: Repeal


Acknowledging the goal of protecting children in GA Resolution 4,

Noting, however, that the resolution does not allow any enforcement to be placed on nations with a very low age of majority as found through the definition in Article A

Further noting that Article B § 7 can inhibit a child's future by criminalizing working long hours as a minor disregarding any lack of desire to pursue a full-time education,

Confused by the ambiguous regulations which prohibit employment of an undefined minor,

Understanding that the ambiguous regulations can hinder the established goal of protecting children and minors from workplace danger,

Shocked by the effects that these loopholes can have in children of World Assembly nations, thereby tainting the image of the World Assembly,

Hereby repeals GA #4 "Restrictions On Child Labor"
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Postby Manaime » Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:47 pm

Albul II wrote:
Category: Repeal


Acknowledging the goal of protecting children in GA Resolution 4,

Noting, however, that the resolution does not allow any enforcement to be placed on nations with a very low age of majority as found through the definition in Article A

Further noting that Article B § 7 can inhibit a child's future by criminalizing working long hours as a minor disregarding any lack of desire to pursue a full-time education,

Confused by the ambiguous regulations which prohibit employment of an undefined minor,

Understanding that the ambiguous regulations can hinder the established goal of protecting children and minors from workplace danger,

Shocked by the effects that these loopholes can have in children of World Assembly nations, thereby tainting the image of the World Assembly,

Hereby repeals GA #4 "Restrictions On Child Labor"


What is Article A? Please abbreviate your explanation.
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Postby Deropia » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:27 pm

GAR 4 'Restrictions on Child Labor' wrote:(A)Defines a 'minor' as a person below the legal age of majority as defined in their nation.


"I think this is what the author is referencing." Jason says, looking over GAR 4 on a small tablet-like device.

"I believe the target resolution was written 'ambiguously' because with so many different species in the WA it would be impossible to set an exact age for the age of majority, given that different species mature at different rates. Besides, I don't think any reasonable nation is going to set their age of majority extremely low for the sole purpose of skirting GAR 4. I mean, if they do they most certainly have more societal woes than just child labor alone."
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Postby Albul II » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:33 pm

Manaime wrote:
What is Article A? Please abbreviate your explanation.


Defines a 'minor' as a person below the legal age of majority as defined in their nation.


So,

NOTING that, under Article A, a minor is defined as a legal age of majority as defined in the nation, allowing nations to circumvent the resolution by lowering the age of majority.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:29 am

Albul II wrote:
Manaime wrote:
What is Article A? Please abbreviate your explanation.


Defines a 'minor' as a person below the legal age of majority as defined in their nation.


So,

NOTING that, under Article A, a minor is defined as a legal age of majority as defined in the nation, allowing nations to circumvent the resolution by lowering the age of majority.

OOC: This would not be reasonable. In terms of interpretation of WA Resolutions, it is assumed that the nations that it is addressing are reasonable, and will not circumvent or sabotage the implementation of WA Resolutions in the manner that you are suggesting.

Your argument is wafer thin, and could be used for almost any WA Resolution that uses age of majority, hence why this argument isn't really allowed as the sole foundation of repeals. You will likely need to come up with some far more concrete foundations for your repeal.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:11 am

The New California Republic wrote:Your argument is wafer thin, and could be used for almost any WA Resolution that uses age of majority, hence why this argument isn't really allowed as the sole foundation of repeals. You will likely need to come up with some far more concrete foundations for your repeal.

It's perfectly allowed in terms of rules. It's not natsov only if that's what you're saying. It's just an extremely weak argument as it's not something that can be fixed via legislation and it's not something that nations are likely to abuse because that would mean extending a lot of rights adults have to children.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:28 am

Aclion wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Your argument is wafer thin, and could be used for almost any WA Resolution that uses age of majority, hence why this argument isn't really allowed as the sole foundation of repeals. You will likely need to come up with some far more concrete foundations for your repeal.

It's perfectly allowed in terms of rules. It's not natsov only if that's what you're saying. It's just an extremely weak argument as it's not something that can be fixed via legislation and it's not something that nations are likely to abuse because that would mean extending a lot of rights adults have to children.

OOC: No that is not what I am saying, that is not what I am saying at all. I will need a GenSec member to come along to confirm this, but I believe that intentionally sabotaging the implementation of a Resolution, through facetious or cynical means or interpretations, is something that reasonable nations would not be expected to do. And since most Resolutions are written with reasonable nations in mind, it is unlikely that a reasonable nation would purposefully lower the age of majority, for the sole aim of circumventing the provisions of GA #4...
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:33 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Aclion wrote:It's perfectly allowed in terms of rules. It's not natsov only if that's what you're saying. It's just an extremely weak argument as it's not something that can be fixed via legislation and it's not something that nations are likely to abuse because that would mean extending a lot of rights adults have to children.

OOC: No that is not what I am saying, that is not what I am saying at all. I will need a GenSec member to come along to confirm this, but I believe that intentionally sabotaging the implementation of a Resolution, through facetious or cynical means or interpretations, is something that reasonable nations would not be expected to do. And since most Resolutions are written with reasonable nations in mind, it is unlikely that a reasonable nation would purposefully lower the age of majority, for the sole aim of circumventing the provisions of GA #4...

OOC: The Reasonable Nation Theory holds, in relevant part, that authors need not consider absurd and unreasonable interpretations that, as applied, would cause a nation more harm than benefit. That doesn't mean that such arguments are illegal, merely stupid and not something authors should be expected to accommodate. RNT isn't a hard rule that we can enforce.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:45 am

Albul II wrote:Acknowledging the goal of protecting children in GA Resolution 4,

Noting, however, that the resolution does not allow any enforcement to be placed on nations with a very low age of majority as found through the definition in Article A

"Ambassador," Blackbourne explains, "that is because nations which place a low age of majority to include children then grant rights to those children... this typically includes such things as the right to vote, the right to obtain vehicle licenses, the right to purchase controlled substances, et cetera. Clearly, there are significant problems with lowering the age of majority."

Further noting that Article B § 7 can inhibit a child's future by criminalizing working long hours as a minor disregarding any lack of desire to pursue a full-time education,

"Typically pursuing full time work instead of obtaining a basic education inhibits a child's future, and not the other way around."


"On the whole, I find these arguments weak and unconvincing. Excidium Planetis will therefore not support." Blackbourne concludes.
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