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Tinhampton
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:54 pm

Stugislavistan wrote:This act needs to be repealed. It stops my nation from allowing interrogation, and infringes on some religious areas, which I now have to stop, thus creating minor political uprisings.

Theresa Waterman, staff at the Tinhamptonian WA Delegation and self-proclaimed Wicketkeeper-in-Chief: According to these statistics... (checks through World Census records) Your nation is about a week old, and nothing in the World Dispatches and Factbooks Authority* says to the contrary. However, a quick trawl through this WDFA library or whatever it's called today did reveal your proclaimation** that "We can do what we want. This is our nation!" Well, if you really want to do what you want, leave the World Assembly. You won't be bound by that resolution then. Have I made myself clear?

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Postby Fauxia » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:47 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
Stugislavistan wrote:This act needs to be repealed. It stops my nation from allowing interrogation, and infringes on some religious areas, which I now have to stop, thus creating minor political uprisings.

Theresa Waterman, staff at the Tinhamptonian WA Delegation and self-proclaimed Wicketkeeper-in-Chief: According to these statistics... (checks through World Census records) Your nation is about a week old, and nothing in the World Dispatches and Factbooks Authority* says to the contrary. However, a quick trawl through this WDFA library or whatever it's called today did reveal your proclaimation** that "We can do what we want. This is our nation!" Well, if you really want to do what you want, leave the World Assembly. You won't be bound by that resolution then. Have I made myself clear?

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"You can be a national sovereigntist in the WA but good luck convincing a bunch of communists- ahem- globalists that something shouldn't be passed because you don't want your nation to be interfered with. I, personally, lean towards sovereigntism myself, but torture is immoral. I still think nation's should probably be allowed to use it in certain cases, but this repeal is terribly written."
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:39 am

"Repeal "Prevention of Torture"" was defeated 13,516 votes to 2,258.

We commit this resolution to the shredder, paper to paper, ink to ink, bad ideas to bad ideas.
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Willania Imperium
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Postby Willania Imperium » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:45 am

Wallenburg wrote:
"Repeal "Prevention of Torture"" was defeated 13,516 votes to 2,258.

We commit this resolution to the shredder, paper to paper, ink to ink, bad ideas to bad ideas.


"Well, it lost. Honestly, it was no surprise. Anyone would know that it was doomed to fail in a heartbeat."
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:01 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:
"Repeal "Prevention of Torture"" was defeated 13,516 votes to 2,258.

We commit this resolution to the shredder, paper to paper, ink to ink, bad ideas to bad ideas.


"Well, it lost. Honestly, it was no surprise. Anyone would know that it was doomed to fail in a heartbeat."

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:03 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
"Well, it lost. Honestly, it was no surprise. Anyone would know that it was doomed to fail in a heartbeat."

Fairburn: That's what they said about World Space Administration.

"Except, as most of us are aware, this no longer has an opportunity to slide its way into the law books."
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: That's what they said about World Space Administration.

Lots of things have changed since the passage of WSA. See The self-regulating Assembly
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:11 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: That's what they said about World Space Administration.

Lots of things have changed since the passage of WSA. See The self-regulating Assembly

Fairburn: The more things change, the more they stay the same. See Enabling the Disabled in Academia.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:46 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: The more things change, the more they stay the same. See Enabling the Disabled in Academia.

I don't think that was that bad of a proposal. Repeal was somewhat controversial in internal votes, and only got through due to a promise of replacement legislation – which has been delayed for reasons outside of my control.
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Postby Fauxia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:48 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:Fairburn: The more things change, the more they stay the same. See Enabling the Disabled in Academia.

I don't think that was that bad of a proposal. Repeal was somewhat controversial in internal votes, and only got through due to a promise of replacement legislation – which has been delayed for reasons outside of my control.
"What exactly does 'bad' mean?"
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, Max still won't buy the mods elite ninja assassin squads to use, so... no such luck.
Sandaoguo wrote:GP is a den of cynics and nihilists
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:40 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I don't think that was that bad of a proposal. Repeal was somewhat controversial in internal votes, and only got through due to a promise of replacement legislation – which has been delayed for reasons outside of my control.
"What exactly does 'bad' mean?"

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Postby Imperial Polk County » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:58 am

Wallenburg wrote:
"Repeal "Prevention of Torture"" was defeated 13,516 votes to 2,258.

We commit this resolution to the shredder, paper to paper, ink to ink, bad ideas to bad ideas.

The Polkian ambassador enters the chamber. "And good riddance, too," he says, picking up his mason jar before leaving.
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Postby Iyanden » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:27 am

Gramma Nazis everywhere
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Postby Willania Imperium » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:27 am

Iyanden wrote:Gramma Nazis everywhere


If you think we voted against it for its inaccurate grammar, think again. The argument was poor, the draft was horrible, and it was an all-around piece of trash.
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Postby Fauxia » Sat Sep 23, 2017 1:59 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Gramma Nazis everywhere


If you think we voted against it for its inaccurate grammar, think again. The argument was poor, the draft was horrible, and it was an all-around piece of trash.
Eh, I actually did vote against it for the grammar. But that isn't being a grammar nazi. The repeal made no sense to me because of the lack of grammar
Reploid Productions wrote:Unfortunately, Max still won't buy the mods elite ninja assassin squads to use, so... no such luck.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Sep 24, 2017 4:35 am

Willania Imperium wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Gramma Nazis everywhere


If you think we voted against it for its inaccurate grammar, think again. The argument was poor, the draft was horrible, and it was an all-around piece of trash.

I am neither a Gramma Nazi nor a Grampa Nazi...
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:11 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Willania Imperium wrote:
If you think we voted against it for its inaccurate grammar, think again. The argument was poor, the draft was horrible, and it was an all-around piece of trash.

I am neither a Gramma Nazi nor a Grampa Nazi...
:clap: :clap: :clap: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Brilliant!
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Postby Iyanden » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:24 am

Willania Imperium wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Gramma Nazis everywhere


If you think we voted against it for its inaccurate grammar, think again. The argument was poor, the draft was horrible, and it was an all-around piece of trash.

Hey keyboard warrior look at all the comments have a fit about gramma
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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:29 pm

This is weeks old and discussion has died all apart from this "gramma" nonsense. Just let it die.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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